finally found the 5w-20 TSB... - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

jamal1984 · 05-17-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjonesey

What?! you didnt get the e-paper manual? all you have to do is take your manual to the dealership and get the new auto updating manual that keeps up with toyota's changes on-the-fly

No i dind't receive nothing from them.

drifto · 05-17-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jamal1984

the only thing i am really don't understand that is if 5w-20 and 0w-20 is really good for our engine then why don't they listed in our manual but instead of 5w-30?

TSB's are the most current info for our car supplied by toyota. sometimes the manufacturer may find something that is better for or car or fixes a common problem in our car. things are constantly updated due to common customer complaints etc. the TSB's are the most up to date information so they superceed any info in our owners manuals. the techs use them everyday to repair and service our cars. thus any info in the owners manual can be updated at any time. dealerships usually make the updates automatically when you bring your car in for service. sometimes you have to ask though...

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Originally Posted by sambo42xa

(2 post before me....) Read the TSB where it shows/says at the bottom, "oil recommended for these engines". If Your engine code falls in the list, then I do not see a problem using the 0-20 from what I understand after reading static808 TSB.
I will look at my "code" and if it is in the list I will try the 0-20 weight on my next oil change.
static808, I'm curious on the warranty part. There is nothing there. Does this mean NO WARRANTY if you use/change over to the 0-20??
Also, how did you obtain this TSB; something You found online; work for TOYOTA???

th
sambo42xa
Southern, NH

there is no warranty info b/c its only updating the grade of oil used during an oil change at the dealership. oil changes are not warranteed. if it were say a defective radio unit. then you would see warrantee information explaining that a new unit is under warrantee etc. hope this helps explain things a little.

PetersRedYaris · 05-18-2007, 12:45 AM

If the TSB say's 5w-20, use 5w-20. You guy's are willing to use 0w-20 in it's place because AMSoil doesn't have a 5w-20? Switch brands!!! Follow the CAR manufacturers recommendation, not the oils. I know it probably makes no difference, but neither does using AMSoil over Mobil 1. They are equally good, but one comes in the recommended weight.

sambo42xa · 05-18-2007, 12:07 PM

jlift · 05-18-2007, 12:16 PM

Just ordered one gallon plus two quarts and an oil filter. Amsoil 0-20 100% synthetic and amsoil oil filter for the Yaris. This weight oil is a new product for them (amsoil.com) . ABout $25 a gallon and $6.25 a quart and $14 for the filter. Currently running Castrol full synthetic (not really 100% synthetic, though) Also ordered the Fujimoto drain valve. Will change all at 5,000 miles. Car only has <2,000 now.

spockmay · 10-14-2009, 07:03 PM

Howdy, I just bought a 2010 Yaris and the owner's manual says to use 5W-30. As the TSB was 3 years ago now, I'd have thought that they'd update the owner's guide. Should we be using the 5W-30 or 5W-20?

AlexNet0 · 10-14-2009, 07:57 PM

If you're manual states 5w-30 and it has a newer publication date than the TSB, then you should follow your manual.

mikenacarato · 10-14-2009, 11:25 PM

it doesnt seem like people here understand that the 1nzfe motor is NOT on the 0w20 list...it is on the 5w20 list. so from what i take on this tsb it is NOT ok to use 0w20 in the yaris.

bronsin · 10-23-2009, 02:30 PM

How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

R2D2 · 10-24-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

It won't end at 20wt, of that I am certain. I'm quite sure 0W-10 would work well in a lot of current engines out there-but it's not recommended or even obtainable very easily. Lubrication technology is evolving quickly right now-nano technology and biobased products to name a couple-and making thinner oils possible that increase efficiency and lower wear.

Your post above highlights the fact the SAE method of classifying oil viscosity is rediculous! It is antiquated and confusing to most-time for a revamp in my opinion. But yes thinner oils are coming!

R2

1stToyota · 10-24-2009, 04:06 PM

Well, when they get here I think that'll be the day I opt for a German sedan w/ a nice turbo diesel that won't want oil the consistency of kerosene in their expensive motor.

craigq · 10-24-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

I'm quite sure 0W-10 would work well in a lot of current engines out there-but it's not recommended or even obtainable very easily.
R2

Get a hold of a Redline dealer

Redline 0W10 oil

Disclaimer: it's not recommended by Toyota, will void warranty, meant for racing, yadda yadda yadda...

R2D2 · 10-23-2009, 09:14 PM

Newhavenpatriot,

Bless you for taking the time to post this and enlighten us! I contacted Toyota about the same via phone (as well as my dealer) and they had no idea what I was talking about. This is what I always felt was intended by the bulletin, but up until now have had no proof. I made the decision to use 20 wt anyway, but it's nice to know it's ok! Thanks again!

R2

R2D2 · 10-24-2009, 10:11 PM

I just found out about the Redline 0W-10 the other day-Royal Purple makes some too. Last I found it though it was like $14 a quart shipped. How much does the Redline go for? Thanks!

R2

craigq · 10-24-2009, 10:59 PM

Hey R2. It goes for 12.95 a quart on their website before shipping. Interesting oil, not sure about engine longevity as it's application seems to be for racing engines

It's possible one day 10 weights will be specified...

R2D2 · 10-25-2009, 02:34 AM

Thanks Craig! When 0W-10 goes mainstream the price will come down :)

1st,
Where's the love-thin is in! When the 20's went mainstream circa 2k many (including myself) cried foul. How dare they sacrifice longevity to help CAFE scores?! Guess what-they worked great!

The Euros are lagging a little behind but are heading in this direction also. The TDI is running 5W-30 now!

Here's a little light reading about viscosity
: http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpos...=363921&post=7

Check out Dr Haas Lambo UOA on BITOG with 0W-20 and G Allen's 4.0 Jeep on 0W-10!

1stToyota · 10-26-2009, 08:49 AM

R2D2,
Because I think we're just more worried about fuel economy and less worried about longevity. Most of the European oil recommendations that I come across are more heavily swayed by ambient temperatures.

I was hoping you had it in mind to do a UOA on your 5w20, first, before you switched to 0w20 to see how they compared. I'm not yet convinced that thin is in when thicker is still being listed as the oil to use in service manuals, owner's manuals and the oil cap, and the thinner oil listed on a 3 year old TSB is still left more as the afterthought.

Just for grins I'll probably not do my 2nd UOA on the Pennzoil YB 5w30, I'll probably test PP 5w20 against PP 5w30, w/o use of the filtermag, of course...still won't trust 0w20 as it's still not listed as suitable oil to use for our Yaris in any service manual, owner's manual or TSB, yet.

EDIT: Or better yet, I'd test my PP 5w30 against a 0w30, if you or somebody else could recommend a really good synthetic 0w30 to use...

Looks like it'll be Mobil 1 0w30 vs. Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
With winter coming soon looks like my first UOA will be the 0w30 :)

R2D2 · 10-26-2009, 01:01 PM

1st,

I'm not sampling the 5W-20 because it will only have 2k on it when I drain it (car will only have 5k total). I did changes at 1k, 3k and will put the RLI in at 5k. I wanted to get through most of the break-in period before a 5k run of the RLI 0W-20 during the harshest operational period of my year. The analysis will be by Terry Dyson and he's the best in the biz so he will know if it isn't optimal. Terry seeks perfection and if I can get better results with another visc or product he will let me know.

I had him do a read on my wife's Rogue and he will leave no automotive stone unturned to get you the best results for your application-and most would have been thrilled with the results I was already getting.

So I'm with you on the longevity issue-I just think people sometimes give oil thickness too much credit and not enough to flow rate. But, that's why I'm hiring Terry-he will take all the guess work out of it.

As far as recommending a 0W-30 they tend to be expensive and a little harder to come by. Mobil 1 is the cheapest, easiest to come by ($22 for 5 qts at WM)-I've not been a Mobil 1 fan for the last several years but it has done very well in the few Yaris/M1 UOAs that I've seen. My choices would be RLI, Redline, Amsoil SSO and GC (can be found at Autozone stores for about $7 a qt last I checked). Only the M1 and GC are API certified though, if that matters to you.

The Platinum you mentioned is an excellent oil at a fantastic price-either the 5W-30 or the 5W-20 would probably take most as far as they cared to drive their Yaris, in reality. I've recommended it often to people who want a solid, locally available oil without breaking the bank. Based on the Yarii oil analysis reports I have seen (admittedly mostly 30 wts) they tend to be fairly easy on their oil and non-fussy to boot. I'd be very interested in your results which ever oils you decide to test. What lab do you use?

Stay tuned-but I'm going to need at least 6 months to get 5k on this RLI run.

R2

05-18-2007, 12:07 PM	#4
sambo42xa Drives: 07 YARIS Automatic/LiftBac/Red Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Southern NH- USA Posts: 144	__________________

10-14-2009, 07:57 PM	#7
AlexNet0 View User's Garage Drives: '07 Yaris 3dr Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rockland, ME Posts: 1,638	If you're manual states 5w-30 and it has a newer publication date than the TSB, then you should follow your manual. __________________ ---------- MI-YW ----------

10-24-2009, 04:06 PM	#11
1stToyota Drives: 2013 Chevy Spark 1LT 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,185	Well, when they get here I think that'll be the day I opt for a German sedan w/ a nice turbo diesel that won't want oil the consistency of kerosene in their expensive motor. __________________ 1997 Lincoln Town Car - *SOLD* 2008 Scion xD (w/ automatic) - SOLD 2008 Yaris HB - SOLD

10-23-2009, 09:14 PM	#13
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	Newhavenpatriot, Bless you for taking the time to post this and enlighten us! I contacted Toyota about the same via phone (as well as my dealer) and they had no idea what I was talking about. This is what I always felt was intended by the bulletin, but up until now have had no proof. I made the decision to use 20 wt anyway, but it's nice to know it's ok! Thanks again! R2 __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One

10-24-2009, 10:11 PM	#14
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	I just found out about the Redline 0W-10 the other day-Royal Purple makes some too. Last I found it though it was like $14 a quart shipped. How much does the Redline go for? Thanks! R2 __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One

05-18-2007, 12:45 AM	#3
PetersRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2005 Scion xB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 1,059	If the TSB say's 5w-20, use 5w-20. You guy's are willing to use 0w-20 in it's place because AMSoil doesn't have a 5w-20? Switch brands!!! Follow the CAR manufacturers recommendation, not the oils. I know it probably makes no difference, but neither does using AMSoil over Mobil 1. They are equally good, but one comes in the recommended weight.

05-18-2007, 12:16 PM	#5
jlift Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatch Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 54	Just ordered one gallon plus two quarts and an oil filter. Amsoil 0-20 100% synthetic and amsoil oil filter for the Yaris. This weight oil is a new product for them (amsoil.com) . ABout $25 a gallon and $6.25 a quart and $14 for the filter. Currently running Castrol full synthetic (not really 100% synthetic, though) Also ordered the Fujimoto drain valve. Will change all at 5,000 miles. Car only has <2,000 now.

10-14-2009, 07:03 PM	#6
spockmay Drives: 2010 Yaris 3Dr LB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 5	Howdy, I just bought a 2010 Yaris and the owner's manual says to use 5W-30. As the TSB was 3 years ago now, I'd have thought that they'd update the owner's guide. Should we be using the 5W-30 or 5W-20?

10-14-2009, 11:25 PM	#8
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	it doesnt seem like people here understand that the 1nzfe motor is NOT on the 0w20 list...it is on the 5w20 list. so from what i take on this tsb it is NOT ok to use 0w20 in the yaris.

10-23-2009, 02:30 PM	#9
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,783	How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

10-24-2009, 10:59 PM	#15
craigq Drives: '07 Yaris, '12 GLI Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 100	Hey R2. It goes for 12.95 a quart on their website before shipping. Interesting oil, not sure about engine longevity as it's application seems to be for racing engines It's possible one day 10 weights will be specified...

10-25-2009, 02:34 AM	#16
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	Thanks Craig! When 0W-10 goes mainstream the price will come down :) 1st, Where's the love-thin is in! When the 20's went mainstream circa 2k many (including myself) cried foul. How dare they sacrifice longevity to help CAFE scores?! Guess what-they worked great! The Euros are lagging a little behind but are heading in this direction also. The TDI is running 5W-30 now! Here's a little light reading about viscosity : http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpos...=363921&post=7 Check out Dr Haas Lambo UOA on BITOG with 0W-20 and G Allen's 4.0 Jeep on 0W-10! __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One Last edited by R2D2; 10-25-2009 at 03:35 AM. Reason: Addition

10-26-2009, 08:49 AM	#17
1stToyota Drives: 2013 Chevy Spark 1LT 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,185	R2D2, Because I think we're just more worried about fuel economy and less worried about longevity. Most of the European oil recommendations that I come across are more heavily swayed by ambient temperatures. I was hoping you had it in mind to do a UOA on your 5w20, first, before you switched to 0w20 to see how they compared. I'm not yet convinced that thin is in when thicker is still being listed as the oil to use in service manuals, owner's manuals and the oil cap, and the thinner oil listed on a 3 year old TSB is still left more as the afterthought. Just for grins I'll probably not do my 2nd UOA on the Pennzoil YB 5w30, I'll probably test PP 5w20 against PP 5w30, w/o use of the filtermag, of course...still won't trust 0w20 as it's still not listed as suitable oil to use for our Yaris in any service manual, owner's manual or TSB, yet. EDIT: Or better yet, I'd test my PP 5w30 against a 0w30, if you or somebody else could recommend a really good synthetic 0w30 to use... Looks like it'll be Mobil 1 0w30 vs. Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 With winter coming soon looks like my first UOA will be the 0w30 :) __________________ 1997 Lincoln Town Car - *SOLD* 2008 Scion xD (w/ automatic) - SOLD 2008 Yaris HB - SOLD Last edited by 1stToyota; 10-26-2009 at 01:03 PM. Reason: AutoZone made a sale

10-26-2009, 01:01 PM	#18
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	1st, I'm not sampling the 5W-20 because it will only have 2k on it when I drain it (car will only have 5k total). I did changes at 1k, 3k and will put the RLI in at 5k. I wanted to get through most of the break-in period before a 5k run of the RLI 0W-20 during the harshest operational period of my year. The analysis will be by Terry Dyson and he's the best in the biz so he will know if it isn't optimal. Terry seeks perfection and if I can get better results with another visc or product he will let me know. I had him do a read on my wife's Rogue and he will leave no automotive stone unturned to get you the best results for your application-and most would have been thrilled with the results I was already getting. So I'm with you on the longevity issue-I just think people sometimes give oil thickness too much credit and not enough to flow rate. But, that's why I'm hiring Terry-he will take all the guess work out of it. As far as recommending a 0W-30 they tend to be expensive and a little harder to come by. Mobil 1 is the cheapest, easiest to come by ($22 for 5 qts at WM)-I've not been a Mobil 1 fan for the last several years but it has done very well in the few Yaris/M1 UOAs that I've seen. My choices would be RLI, Redline, Amsoil SSO and GC (can be found at Autozone stores for about $7 a qt last I checked). Only the M1 and GC are API certified though, if that matters to you. The Platinum you mentioned is an excellent oil at a fantastic price-either the 5W-30 or the 5W-20 would probably take most as far as they cared to drive their Yaris, in reality. I've recommended it often to people who want a solid, locally available oil without breaking the bank. Based on the Yarii oil analysis reports I have seen (admittedly mostly 30 wts) they tend to be fairly easy on their oil and non-fussy to boot. I'd be very interested in your results which ever oils you decide to test. What lab do you use? Stay tuned-but I'm going to need at least 6 months to get 5k on this RLI run. R2 __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One

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