VOTE! (Turbo vs. S/C)

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

I highly doubt you could get the blitz supercharger up to that much unless you were running 14+psi, fully tuned, and a built motor.



Actually, Peter... you said you had money for a turbo, why don't you build your motor up? If you have the money and could make some time, I think it would be awesome to see what a supercharger would do on an engine like garm's but keep the 10.0:1 compression... or maybe even bump it up to 11.0:1.

Cali yaris was running I think only 10psi and at 180 whp non built motor and ran fine for a year. I am at 8psi and could add acouple more lbs of boost with an overdrive crank pulley or a fixed pulley. Tuned and it could reach 170whp I think. Never know....but i'm going to find out in due time. :)

I do have the money, but definately not the time. I'm a full time student and I work construction. I won't be the man to be doing a built motor anytime soon.

Originally Posted by etheliters

Hey why'd you edit? It was informative, I looked for chinocharles but couldn't find his car anymore.? From what you erased it did make me think. If you coud get to 170 s/c'd then that would seem good. I thought a turbo would just be a better gain and leave you more powerful in the final result. Na poop, I meant pulls up. Figured turbo will catch and eat a s/c in most cases. Let me know.

I deleted it because I was over it. Chinocharles probably deleted his info on his car. He pretty much said he had 180whp (according to ZPI's dyno ) and he finally dyno'd it and found out it made 145whp. lmao. He also deleted the info because he had a hissy fit and got banned from the forums. lmao x2.

Well the turbo can only pull up when it spools up. hehe

Originally Posted by puetato89

yeah and blow the motor peter, its all kool as long as you give the S/C i can pay for shipping

If I ever blew my engine up (which could be a possibility when I tune ), i'll sell you the S/C. You got dibs.

[puetato89]

yeah and blow the motor peter, its all kool as long as you give the S/C i can pay for shipping

[puetato89]

sell or give

[anonymous user]

Best? For what?

[puetato89]

i guess its "in general"

[RacerFreakXXX]

Peter -
yea I know the deal, I finally got a 9-5 job but I'm in debt till spring so I got's no money. I'd love to see you even pull 150whp out of your car. I do know there was this site that would build a head and cams for you and refund some of the money when you send them your head and cams back. I saw it on the micro image forums, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. That may be an option but, I know it's like 3k or something around there.

[Blown_xa]

let me chime in on this one, I have had the Blitz sc on my 1nz xA. I can tell you that is definately NOT more realiable than a decent turbo set-up. It left me on the side of the road a few times. I assume the Yaris is the same, it comes with a 4pk belt width? And the crank pulley is not keyed, what keeps it from rotating on the crank shaft is nothing but an 1/8" roll pin. I went through every brand of belt to find one sticky enough to not slip and strong enough to not stretch. And when I got it to where the belt stopped slipping, the crank pulley roll pin shears. Its a pain drilling it out. I found that a high quality hardened drill bit (round end) works best as it doesnt shear as easily. The consisancy of performance bugged me as the belt had to be constantly re-tensioned and checked or boost is lost or if it was too tight it would bind and power was lost. I had about 40,000 supercharged miles.

I then went with the Greddy turbo kit. I have had that kit on for over 50,000 miles of time attacks, auto crosses, and drags strip time... and driving everywhere in between. The only problem I ever had with the turbo set-up was cracking the downpipe, which was due to a shotty custom exhaust with the flex section half way back under the car.

I am pushing 20 psi with my old Greddy kit now and it's still kickin. I did some improvements to get more out of the tiny turbo such as a better intake, blow through MAF set-up, 2.5" downpipe (2" original) and 3" exhaust, also meth injection. So far so good

[frownonfun]

ok ok thinking about it after the fact my post was a little too much. i had just read a few posts on the first page that struck a nerve. obviously i've read similar posts in the past knocking other users' pursuit of the fabled "fast yaris" and, idk, tonight it just got a little old. but anyway i apologize for being an ass. carry on.

btw i voted s/c.

EDIT: bad frownonfun

[PETERPOOP]

lmao. frownnofun, where the heck did that come from?

[ozmdd]

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

lmao. frownnofun, where the heck did that come from?

+100! Frown is one of the most laid-back guys I know. Wow.

[lilredrocket]

If you are going to go s/c'd then get the PE kit. IMO it was worth the hassles of the install make sure you have a extra car if you need to make runs to the parts stores and shops.

[ozmdd]

Originally Posted by JCS_IMPORT_25

Lets have a vote.
which is best.

Supercharged Yaris
Turboed Yaris

:eyebulg e::wink ::t ongue:

I'm sorry, but where is choice #3: "Turbo" badge w/ interfooler??

[why?]

This has been a fun thread to read. I vote turbo because there is nothing like a turbo kicking on and that torque steer snapping your car 4 feet sideways. That was one of the absolute most fun feelings I've ever had driving.

Saying that I think I'd invest in figuring out how to make my Yaris AWD before adding a turbo. Then when I had the power I could use it well.

[RacerFreakXXX]

IMO the only good awd car for racing is a rwd/awd setup like the evo or gtr. FWD is not bad, especialy on light weight hatches.

I have grown to love both turbo and supercharger. They both have their ups and downs and are better suited for different applications. I have decided supercharger for my situation unless a inexpensive small bolt on turbo kit was available but that may never happen.

[The Spectacle]

I didn't read the whole thread but I'll throw some comments out there:

The only thing I see holding the Yaris back from making good, reliable power is the lack of a real engine management system. Piggybacks like the Emanage aren't the best solution because they just trick the ECU into seeing conditons that don't really exist, which limits the capability of the solution. If AEM or another company made a standalone EMS for the Yaris like they do for the TC, the possibilities would be a lot greater.

With that said, with the availability of engine management on the market right now, I'd go with a SC. They're very linear and predictable and therefor easier to tune. Turbo's are a different animal and take a lot more care on the tuning side to get dialed in right to make the vehicle have stock drive ability like characteristics.

[jt258]

EVO IS FRONT WHEEL DRIVE BASED AWD. THE GTR IS RWD BASED AWD.

[cali yaris]

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[PETERPOOP]

Doesn't this inspire you to get a MI turbo kit for us? :)