So here's my 25K service.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Might as well swap out the engine, since there may be oil inbetween the pistions you're going to miss. Damn that used oil.

I say just get a new car every 3-5000 miles. Whoever buys the used car gets screwed because they will have to do 3 hour oil changes.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

I say just get a new car every 3-5000 miles. Whoever buys the used car gets screwed because they will have to do 3 hour oil changes.

A new car should be timed out, by Toyota, and delivered to my driveway. I should be able to leave my old car on the sidewalk and have Toyota pick it up.

But then complain about how it lacks a tach, even though I've test driven one before I bought it.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

A new car should be timed out, by Toyota, and delivered to my driveway. I should be able to leave my old car on the sidewalk and have Toyota pick it up.

Our new Mazda was delivered 45 miles to our house and they drove our trade away.

[DerFlosser]

Kingsland co' reprezent yo. Obviously you just don't get it. That's ok though....no surprises.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by DerFlosser

Kingsland co' reprezent yo. Obviously you just don't get it. That's ok though....no surprises.

I was just epic scarcasticing it up

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by DerFlosser

Kingsland co' reprezent yo. Obviously you just don't get it. That's ok though....no surprises.

I get it... but barring any empirical data that says draining 3.900 quarts will provide longer, more reliable engine life than 3.884 quarts, I say the time is wasted... Maybe I have an understanding of the fact that everything in contact with the oil is going to have a film of the oil on it, and there will be small collections of oil in various points... maybe in a perfect world you could get all the oil out of the oil pan with extraordinary patience, but you're not going to get it out of the engine without some positive or negative pressure system connected. I've never personally broken down an engine into its component parts but I'm willing to bet that anyone who has, found oil in the engine somewhere.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

I get it... but barring any empirical data that says draining 3.900 quarts will provide longer, more reliable engine life than 3.884 quarts, I say the time is wasted... Maybe I have an understanding of the fact that everything in contact with the oil is going to have a film of the oil on it, and there will be small collections of oil in various points... maybe in a perfect world you could get all the oil out of the oil pan with extraordinary patience, but you're not going to get it out of the engine without some positive or negative pressure system connected. I've never personally broken down an engine into its component parts but I'm willing to bet that anyone who has, found oil in the engine somewhere.

I say instead of bickering back and forth, next time I change my oil, I'll switch from an oil pan to a measuring cup after 5 minutes. I bet there will be more than half an ounce after 25 more minutes. I also have a feeling if you did a UOA of the first 5 minutes and one from the last 25, the last 25 would be considerably dirtier. I've seen some pretty dirty chunks fall out after 5 minutes.

Like I said, I'm not arguing Jiffy Lube any more. Its your car. Just don't read all the horror stories about wrong fluids and such. I'll continue getting a cheaper, and better(however marginally it may be) oil change.

Originally Posted by why?

and that is what keeps me from trying to change my own oil. Where do I recycle it? I assume an oil change pan can be had at any oil parts store. I'm tempted to try and do it, but this is me, and I would prolly mess it up somehow.

pour it in a jug from the last oil change and take it down to kragen

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by supmet

I've seen some pretty dirty chunks fall out after 5 minutes.

Maybe you should change your oil more often then... so instead of waiting 30 min, wait 15 and change it twice as often... Win, win.

[DerFlosser]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

I get it... but barring any empirical data that says draining 3.900 quarts will provide longer, more reliable engine life than 3.884 quarts, I say the time is wasted... Maybe I have an understanding of the fact that everything in contact with the oil is going to have a film of the oil on it, and there will be small collections of oil in various points... maybe in a perfect world you could get all the oil out of the oil pan with extraordinary patience, but you're not going to get it out of the engine without some positive or negative pressure system connected. I've never personally broken down an engine into its component parts but I'm willing to bet that anyone who has, found oil in the engine somewhere.

No...you still don't get it. It's not time wasted because while it's draining you are doing something else like....cutting the grass, surfing internet porn, watching football, eating pizza, trimming the hedges. The list goes on. Any car guy you meet let's his oil drain as long as possible.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by DerFlosser

Kingsland co' reprezent yo.

English major?

[toad]

i change my own oil, but some people fail to add in the time it takes to purchase your oil and filters(i'm cheap and usually drive around to a couple places for the best deal) and taking your oil somewhere to have it properly disposed of. you don't have to do this everytime, obviously, but just saying that it's not fair to compare a quick change place to doing it yourself without adding in this 'time' factor. anyways, i usually do save money because i like to use synthetic, nice filters, and always look for the best deals.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by toad

i change my own oil, but some people fail to add in the time it takes to purchase your oil and filters(i'm cheap and usually drive around to a couple places for the best deal) and taking your oil somewhere to have it properly disposed of. you don't have to do this everytime, obviously, but just saying that it's not fair to compare a quick change place to doing it yourself without adding in this 'time' factor. anyways, i usually do save money because i like to use synthetic, nice filters, and always look for the best deals.

Totally true. You're just the other side of the Jiffy Lube idea. Your way works just as well for you, as it does for people who don't have time and pay for convenience. Or in my case, lazyness.

Man. A legit point on the other side of the spectrum. Why can't forum debates be like this?

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Why can't forum debates be like this?

There's no government regulation of who has access to a keyboard.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

There's no government regulation of who has access to a keyboard.

Lets make another thread and complain about it.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Lets make another thread and complain about it.

You first.

[why?]

Originally Posted by toad

i change my own oil, but some people fail to add in the time it takes to purchase your oil and filters(i'm cheap and usually drive around to a couple places for the best deal) and taking your oil somewhere to have it properly disposed of. you don't have to do this everytime, obviously, but just saying that it's not fair to compare a quick change place to doing it yourself without adding in this 'time' factor. anyways, i usually do save money because i like to use synthetic, nice filters, and always look for the best deals.

and that is what keeps me from trying to change my own oil. Where do I recycle it? I assume an oil change pan can be had at any oil parts store. I'm tempted to try and do it, but this is me, and I would prolly mess it up somehow.

[JBougie]

My Toyota dealer charges $19.95 for their oil changes. That is where I go, it is $22.xx after taxes :) I love it.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Right, then. Have fun cutting the grass you pizza eating, porn surfing, football watching, hedge trimming, special person you.