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07-13-2021, 11:38 AM | #37 |
Drives: 08 Yaris 3 Door Hatchback Join Date: Aug 2019
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Wished this car was available in the US. I love how my 08 two door hatch looks, but this weighs 63lbs lighter. I wouldn't have to go on a diet when I decide to make mine a track car.
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07-13-2021, 01:26 PM | #38 |
2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how!
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You can import them from Canada into some states, MI is really easy. Or you can import RHD versions from Japan in a few years once they get out of the 25-year blackout period (they don't have FMVSS or EPA certification for North America).
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07-13-2021, 04:09 PM | #39 |
Gen 3 > Gen 2
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I love this build so much.
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07-14-2021, 10:17 AM | #40 | |
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Yeah but it'd be in KPH... LOL! Not really a deal break. RHD is a no go for me, it'd be hard to drive on the CORRECT side of the road. Not sure how much I'd have to pay through customs if I get one from Canada, any idea? But back to the build... Kudos to the OP, your work inspires lots of us. Please post new dyno test after everything is completed. |
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07-14-2021, 12:46 PM | #41 |
2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how!
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For Michigan, you just transfer the title at the Secretary of State and pay whatever applicable taxes/fees for the value of the vehicle. Not sure about customs though since I bought it from TheBarber (who is a Canadian National that lives in MI on a visa). Check with your state's rules for importing vehicles for more details, I guess. :)
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07-15-2021, 10:50 AM | #42 | |
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I might just stick with my 08 Yaris, and start my own project. Thanks to the OP, some others here, and others on YT who have inspired me with their Frankenstein engines that I want to start my own Frankenstein project. I've vaguely mentioned in own "Frankenstein" post (https://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=63299) about maybe putting a 3ZR bottom end for stroked crank, 2ZR-FXE 13:1 compression pistons, and 2ZR-FE head (no valvematic) together, the kicker is 2ZZ intake runners! Now that's a Frankenstein. I'd take years for me to put that together. So anyone is more than welcome to experiment and steal this idea. I'll end my question so we can focus on the OP's build. |
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07-15-2021, 10:57 AM | #43 |
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What is the REV limit for this engine? Is it purely going to be a track car, or is it still going to be a daily driver? Any plans on changing the gear ratio of the transmission? Very few here in YW have changed to the Scion xB1's (bB in most part of the world) transmission, for a higher final drive which would put more torque to the ground, but loses on top end speed. I personally would go with the Scion xD's manual transmission and just change out the 5th gear for better fuel economy, the FD is between the Yaris and the xB1.
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07-16-2021, 10:00 AM | #44 | |
2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how!
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That said, the shorter final drive is great for AutoX but awful for road courses. Way too much top end speed given up, even with the 0.725:1 super-overdrive from the C59. |
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07-16-2021, 08:21 PM | #45 |
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The c-gearbox will work for both engines (the c56 is paired with the 1nz vitz rs in Japan)... Just the need correct bellhousing section. But, I thought the echo chassis was narrower in the front and that's why it used the c150box, as it was physically smaller to fit. Likely the xB gearbox or xa would be the best bet for gearing differences, as the echo was mainly for fuel economy not any real performance
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07-17-2021, 08:39 AM | #46 | |
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If so: -No rev limiter currently. Until I've got some stronger rods I'll likely set the rev limiter somewhere around 8200-8300rpm. And yes in this case, swapping to the C56 gearbox is an absolutely magical upgrade. Having the 4.3 final drive instead of the 3.5 makes the whole thing so much better. I'd not be suprised if my 1300cc motor would have been into the 15 second quarter mile range with the C56 box. The individual ratios of the C56 are most excellent. On the shift from 2nd to 3rd, shifting at ~8800rpm it drops down to only around 6500rpm on gear change. So it stays in the powerband awesomely. sdfhjkj.jpg As for the purpose of this car, it's not a daily driver anymore as I've got a work car. But it still returns fairly decent milage, the high compression actually makes it decently economical. I've been getting somewhere around 5.5-6 litres per 100km. So thats somewhere around 40mpg. I could still get it a little better with optimizing the ignition timing further, will get there eventually. |
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07-17-2021, 04:16 PM | #47 |
Gen 3 > Gen 2
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I would love to swap my C50 for a C56, but getting one to Canada from Japan out of an NCP131 Vitz is north of 2 grand, the transmission itself is usually under $600 CAD, its the outrageous shipping that gets expensive very quickly.
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07-17-2021, 11:47 PM | #48 |
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Meanwhile in New Zealand an RS model NCP91 had its C56 sit there at a DIY wrecker yard until the car got crushed... because I procrastinated too long to get it out!
One thing I noticed is that the shifter linkage arrangement and the engine mount positions are different on the later boxes (compared to my model) The benefit is that it gives much much much better clearance for the exhaust and shifter cables. A turbo swap would be a tight squeeze with an NCP13 box, if I was trying it with a half decent sized turbo I'd probably try make the NCP91 box work. |
07-20-2021, 11:11 AM | #49 | |
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I wish I know how to tune the ECM, because I have another "Frankenstein" in mind. Last edited by Neinris; 07-20-2021 at 11:35 AM. |
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07-21-2021, 02:27 AM | #50 | |
Gen 3 > Gen 2
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The 2nd and 3rd gen Yaris have the slightly better ratio'd C50 with the 3.72FD. I wouldn't even waste my time with swapping in a better FD into a C50 gearset. They're still very much an economy transmission.
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07-21-2021, 10:56 AM | #51 | |
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08-20-2021, 03:32 AM | #52 | |
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Speaking of which, I've just finished fitting an AE111 torsen into my spare one. I'll be honest it battled me all of the way haha. But I'm glad it's done now, cant wait to see how it performs with an LSD! Had a few headaches including forgetting to put the speedo drive gear on before pressing the new bearing on... gearbox.jpg Some other issues, half way through the run of NCP13 boxes they changed a bearing and shim on one side of the diff head. So AE111 and early NCP13 have same bearing and shim (19.4mm bearing) Then late NCP13 and NCP91 have a different bearing and shim. 18.5mm and thicker shim) So this box turned out to be an early one, but I ordered the late bearing. So I pulled apart my 2004 C152 and it had the correct shim to make the new bearing work. Probably about 10-12 hours total work, lots of mucking around. But I could do one much quicker next time. |
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08-20-2021, 12:03 PM | #53 |
2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how!
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RomanDave has earned a skill point! (Gearboxes +1)
Awesome work, glad to see a fellow gearhead working with the gears. Looks like you did the bell housing split instead of pulling off 5th gear? |
08-20-2021, 07:50 PM | #54 |
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Yeah thats right.
It was a bit tricky, but on the whole not bad - I'd do it that way again. If the box needs new synchros or something, then I'd do it the other way of course. But just for LSD install I figured this makes sense. |
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