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Wattz · 11-13-2009, 07:55 PM

I wasn't aware I was trying to insult anyone. Apparently, I have. I think it's safe to assume that the majority of Americans (the perpetrators of the credit crisis, the real estate bubble, and so on) make big decisions based on impulse and immediate gratification. Hence the success of the Chrysler 300, Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, etc. All totally self-gratifying cars. There is no practicality involved. They're big, they're fast, they guzzle gas. The mindset 3-4 years ago was big trucks and SUVs. Big, massive engines, gas guzzlers. The fact that top-selling domestics tend to be huge, powerful, and inefficient should imply what American corporations think that their primary customers (Americans...) want that.

Ford Europe has success with small, practical vehicles, because that's what Europeans buy.

The companies wouldn't make the vehicles if they didn't sell.

why? · 11-13-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wattz

I wasn't aware I was trying to insult anyone. Apparently, I have. I think it's safe to assume that the majority of Americans (the perpetrators of the credit crisis, the real estate bubble, and so on) make big decisions based on impulse and immediate gratification. Hence the success of the Chrysler 300, Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, etc. All totally self-gratifying cars. There is no practicality involved. They're big, they're fast, they guzzle gas. The mindset 3-4 years ago was big trucks and SUVs. Big, massive engines, gas guzzlers. The fact that top-selling domestics tend to be huge, powerful, and inefficient should imply what American corporations think that their primary customers (Americans...) want that.

Ford Europe has success with small, practical vehicles, because that's what Europeans buy.

The companies wouldn't make the vehicles if they didn't sell.

Well from that pov, you are correct. But it is just a stereotype. Automakers make a ton more on a $50,000 SUV then they do on a $30,000 car. There are other agencies involved in the other economic problems you mentioned. Plus crappy pop culture, and the stories are told of fools who mess up rather than the people that live right. But your point is pretty spot on in general.

why? · 11-14-2009, 01:45 PM

You can always compare cost of ownership. Always, with any two cars.

BuildCode · 11-14-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by why?

You can always compare cost of ownership. Always, with any two cars.

You can, but what does it mean to compare cost of ownership of a Veyron with a Yaris? The categories of those two cars, and even more importantly, the person who is buying each of those two cars is so different that it doesn't mean anything to compare them other than just for fun.

MadMax · 11-14-2009, 07:47 PM

My VWs were mid-90s series, and comparing them with current Toyotas would be idiotic.

Current VWs have the same customer satisfaction rate as Toyotas, proven fact.

supmet · 11-14-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

My VWs were mid-90s series, and comparing them with current Toyotas would be idiotic.

Current VWs have the same customer satisfaction rate as Toyotas, proven fact.

lol, calm down skippy.

First, statistical analysis is very very very very very far from proven fact.

Second, customer satisfaction rate is different from reliability.

Third, VWs are complete and utter garbage, no matter how many made up statistics you bring in here.

SilverGlow · 11-14-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

My VWs were mid-90s series, and comparing them with current Toyotas would be idiotic.

Current VWs have the same customer satisfaction rate as Toyotas, proven fact.

Not according to ConsumerReports.

Not according to JD Power and Associates.

Not according to Edmunds.com

Not according to most every professional mechanic.

Not according to most owners of VW cars.

RUFFSTUFF · 11-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Fourth, this thread has zero importance to anything relevant. Argue away!

supmet · 11-14-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

Fourth, this thread has zero importance to anything relevant. Argue away!

Did you forget the OP was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronsin

VW has passed Toyota as the Number One automaker in the World!

So arguing about toyota and VW is irrelevant how???

RUFFSTUFF · 11-15-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by supmet

Did you forget the OP was:

So arguing about toyota and VW is irrelevant how???

How could I forget what the OP was when I called out THE THREAD as not being important? Reading is fundamental.
At the end of the day, what does it matter who is ranked where? If the manufacturer you choose goes to #1 does that mean the car you bought will now run faster, turn better, look better, be more fuel efficient and/or get you chicks? I doubt it.
Who's first to trade their car in because Toyota got ranked #2 by someone?
Who's going to buy a VW because they got ranked #1 by someone?

MadMax · 11-15-2009, 12:09 PM

SilverGlow

Maybe you should read more and comment less...in my earlier post I stated I was born in Germany and have lived there as well as the UK and Belgium several times during my life. And when I am not living there, I travel there several times a year for work. I was just in Germany in September and can tell you that the comment that Europeans take less better care of their cars than Americans is just incorrect! I also travel the US quite extensively, and I see more pieces of junk on the roads here than I ever do in Europe. Europeans keep their cars in considerably better shape than Americans, and are less apt to hang on to them as long. As such, you see much newer cars on the road, the majority of which are five years old or less. That ratio is much lower in the US.

Secondly, despite the rhetoric, recent reporting (which I linked to) proves that VW's customer satisfaction rates are now equal to that of Toyota's. So, unless someone can post links to documented facts that support their comments, they are nothing but individual opinions.

Learn to debate the facts, and not emotion.

RUFFSTUFF · 11-16-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

ok as a pure european born and raised, i can tell you that MadMax actually is right. And as far as maintenance goes, many european cars are much older than the ones in North America and run much better because people actually do pay closer attention to their cars. the only reason north americans do the 3k-5k schedule is to minimize the sue factor.

Sue factor?

RUFFSTUFF · 11-16-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

sue as in suing. if the manual didnt say regular maintenance intervals people would have an excuse to sue the manufacturer. so the manufacturers here keep their schedules shorter so people are forced to maintain their cars unlike in europe where it is a normal part of owning a vehicle.

Umm sure.

RUFFSTUFF · 11-16-2009, 08:06 AM

I maintain my vehicles because I understand how motors and bearings and the like work. So I personally do all the scheduled maintenance work myself, and leave the warranty work for the dealer. Does this make me European?

MadMax · 11-16-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RUFFSTUFF

I maintain my vehicles because I understand how motors and bearings and the like work. So I personally do all the scheduled maintenance work myself, and leave the warranty work for the dealer. Does this make me European?

No, that makes you smart! It is the only way you can trust that the work was done right (or you know who to blame if it isn't!).

Cheers! M2

RUFFSTUFF · 11-16-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

No, that makes you smart! It is the only way you can trust that the work was done right (or you know who to blame if it isn't!).

Cheers! M2

Ain't that the truth!

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11-13-2009, 07:55 PM	#1
Wattz Drives: 2008 Yaris Hatch Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 36	I wasn't aware I was trying to insult anyone. Apparently, I have. I think it's safe to assume that the majority of Americans (the perpetrators of the credit crisis, the real estate bubble, and so on) make big decisions based on impulse and immediate gratification. Hence the success of the Chrysler 300, Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, etc. All totally self-gratifying cars. There is no practicality involved. They're big, they're fast, they guzzle gas. The mindset 3-4 years ago was big trucks and SUVs. Big, massive engines, gas guzzlers. The fact that top-selling domestics tend to be huge, powerful, and inefficient should imply what American corporations think that their primary customers (Americans...) want that. Ford Europe has success with small, practical vehicles, because that's what Europeans buy. The companies wouldn't make the vehicles if they didn't sell.

11-14-2009, 08:20 PM	#8
RUFFSTUFF Banned Drives: 2009 TOYOTA YARIS SEDAN Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: KINGSLAND, GA Posts: 381	Fourth, this thread has zero importance to anything relevant. Argue away!

11-15-2009, 12:09 PM	#11
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	SilverGlow Maybe you should read more and comment less...in my earlier post I stated I was born in Germany and have lived there as well as the UK and Belgium several times during my life. And when I am not living there, I travel there several times a year for work. I was just in Germany in September and can tell you that the comment that Europeans take less better care of their cars than Americans is just incorrect! I also travel the US quite extensively, and I see more pieces of junk on the roads here than I ever do in Europe. Europeans keep their cars in considerably better shape than Americans, and are less apt to hang on to them as long. As such, you see much newer cars on the road, the majority of which are five years old or less. That ratio is much lower in the US. Secondly, despite the rhetoric, recent reporting (which I linked to) proves that VW's customer satisfaction rates are now equal to that of Toyota's. So, unless someone can post links to documented facts that support their comments, they are nothing but individual opinions. Learn to debate the facts, and not emotion.

11-16-2009, 08:06 AM	#14
RUFFSTUFF Banned Drives: 2009 TOYOTA YARIS SEDAN Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: KINGSLAND, GA Posts: 381	I maintain my vehicles because I understand how motors and bearings and the like work. So I personally do all the scheduled maintenance work myself, and leave the warranty work for the dealer. Does this make me European?