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[yarisnewfrontier]

Originally Posted by why?

All I am asking for is the choice. Tell the government to get the heck out of my life. They have enough trouble trying to run the country, never mind running every citizens life as well.

Speaking of preorders, yarisnewfrontier have you gotten many?

It would be really cool if the US yaris gets as many preorders as the Canadians had.

why,

I have gotten a few preorders- mostly people are just looking for information..... I have a feeling that the Yaris will be more popular than the Prius and every one that I actually get in inventory will be spoken for...

[why?]

Originally Posted by yarisnewfrontier

why,

I have gotten a few preorders- mostly people are just looking for information..... I have a feeling that the Yaris will be more popular than the Prius and every one that I actually get in inventory will be spoken for...

I hope you are right, that would be great.

[swng]

Originally Posted by yarisnewfrontier

why,

I have gotten a few preorders- mostly people are just looking for information..... I have a feeling that the Yaris will be more popular than the Prius and every one that I actually get in inventory will be spoken for...

You know, there are quite a lot of people who do not have too much confidence in the hybrid design, and some of them will fall in love with the Yaris. Also, a Prius will take a very long time to save its owner enough money in terms of fuel cost to justify the price differential between itself and the Yaris.

[Ziv]

Honestly, I see quite a lot of hatch 3dr or 5dr out on the street in Toronto. It is really that un-popular in the states????

[foober]

Originally Posted by Ziv

Honestly, I see quite a lot of hatch 3dr or 5dr out on the street in Toronto. It is really that un-popular in the states????

here in montana its really mostly bigger american muscle trucks and big suv's. Which leads me to believe they have a problem with thier self esteem here.. They're gonna be in a world of hurt by next summer if gas prices go up as expected.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Ziv

Honestly, I see quite a lot of hatch 3dr or 5dr out on the street in Toronto. It is really that un-popular in the states????

Hatchbacks are not very popular in the USA at all. Combine that with the fact that Japanese seem to be getting into Sports Sedans in the thousands, and their simply are not many hatch's to buy in the USA.

Then the ones that are brought over here simply do not sell well. The Mercedes C class is the last example of a good hatch not selling well. Before that was the BMW 325 ti, a great handling car that very few bought.

Americans in their 30s and older all grew up in monstrous station wagons, and they do not have fond memories of them. This causes them to avoid anything that reminds them of a station wagon.

However I think as the teenagers and 20somethings start buying new cars, hatch's will become more popular in the states.

[swng]

Another factor that may have affected the popularity of the hatchbacks is the belief that when rear ended, they do not have a trunk to cushion the impact. When tailgated by a large vehicle, a driver of a hatchback is likely to be more nervous. Let us see if the Yaris will change people's thinking and set a new trend in the US.

[why?]

Yes, most people that buy the Prius do it for the snob factor. The Prius is the only hybrid that stands up and shouts, "I'm a hybrid. Look at me."

[foober]

Anyone know the actual average miles of the prius. I've read that its about 45 miles to the gallon average. And the higher the elevation or colder it is the worse the gas milage.

[yarisnewfrontier]

Originally Posted by foober

Anyone know the actual average miles of the prius. I've read that its about 45 miles to the gallon average. And the higher the elevation or colder it is the worse the gas milage.

The #2 salesperson and Prius owner Tom Quinn works at my dealership and he gets from 57 to 63 mpg around the East Coast area.......

[foober]

Originally Posted by yarisnewfrontier

The #2 salesperson and Prius owner Tom Quinn works at my dealership and he gets from 57 to 63 mpg around the East Coast area.......

Are you sure. The two folks that i know that have a prius here in montana say they barely get 50 miles to the gallon. Were at 3,500 feet and its usually about 32 degrees fairenheit here. WHich is suppposed to make a difference. I'm very glad toyota is coming up with alternative ideas for better fuel economy. I hope they keep at it and keep improving it

Personally I just want the simpilicity of the yaris engine and get the 35+ miles per gallon and I'll be happy.

[why?]

It depends completely on the driving style. Check www.greenhybrid.com for a bunch of info on the Prius II.

[swng]

What bothers me most, apart from their high prices, is the fact that hybrids are fuel efficient in cities and less so on highways. I do not regret having bought the Yaris instead of a hybrid.

[why?]

Check www.greenhybrid.com for hundreds of people's Prius II gas mileage ratings.

They have 478 Prius II's in their database.The best fuel economy is 71.8, the worst is 35.8, the average is 45-50. That is US mpg.

[foober]

Originally Posted by why?

Check www.greenhybrid.com for hundreds of people's Prius II gas mileage ratings.

They have 478 Prius II's in their database.The best fuel economy is 71.8, the worst is 35.8, the average is 45-50. That is US mpg.

thanks, it would be interesting to know what the big difference in gas milage is between so many people.

[why?]

Originally Posted by foober

thanks, it would be interesting to know what the big difference in gas milage is between so many people.

The difference is driving style, driving locations, temperature, gas used, altitude, among many other things.

There are so many reasons for getting different gas mileage that they simply cannot all be listed.

[vicpai]

People getting 55 and 60mpg with their Priuses is simply not the norm. To get these unrealistic figures, you have to drive like an insane madman, or maybe cruise on a lonely 2 lane road with no other traffic around. These scenarios are simply not feasible in the real world, especially for people living in major cities like Los Angeles, where I live. So unless you live someplace like Podunk, North Dakota, you're not likely to come anywhere close to the EPA estimates. (FYI, I'm originally from that area )....and aside from this, Hybrids are far more adversely affected by such things as COLD WEATHER, compared to a regular gas engine!!

The reason I know this fact to be true, is because not only do I have friends and an uncle who drives the current generation Prius, but have rented it as well from Fox-Rent-A-Car for 4 days and done some meticulous tests. From what I've heard first hand, as well as from what I've gleaned from my own tests, conservative driving yields mileage somewhere in the LOW to MID 40s combined (I personally got around 48mpg driving a constant 60mph on the freeway, and 41mpg driving conservatively in city areas)...In my tests of "agressive" driving I obtained around 35mpg in the city and 42mpg on the freeway at a constant 80mph, with an occasional slowdown to 70 - 75 due to traffic. Obtaining "hyper mileage" using techniques such as "PULSE and GLIDE", is simply not feasible in the real world, unless you have a great desire to be run over by some monster SUV behind you (or maybe even get shot by some moron) ......as a sidenote I made an interesting observation from these tests. Toyota claims better gas mileage in city driving conditions, but as can be seen, that never happened!!...just goes to show how FLAWED the EPA test procedures are!!

So as can be seen, a NORMAL person driving in the NORMAL world will only be able to get an average of around 45mpg with a Prius, using a CONSERVATIVE driving style. Friends of mine who own Stick-shift Toyota Echos, and using the same CONSERVATIVE driving style, average around 38 to 40mpg!!! That is a difference of only about 5mpg, which in purely FINANCIAL TERMS, virtually makes no sense at all. A majority of people who buy Priuses (such as my uncle) do it for a combination of several factors, which include the "environmental feel good" aspect, and also to make a statement about their choices (this is the precise reason the Civic Hybrid does not sell as well as the Prius), and the gas savings is just an added incentive. However, here in Southern California, the ability to drive single in the CARPOOL LANE does make for a significant benefit as well!!

[why?]

Originally Posted by vicpai

People getting 55 and 60mpg with their Priuses is simply not the norm. To get these unrealistic figures, you have to drive like an insane madman, or maybe cruise on a lonely 2 lane road with no other traffic around. These scenarios are simply not feasible in the real world, especially for people living in major cities like Los Angeles, where I live. So unless you live someplace like Podunk, North Dakota, you're not likely to come anywhere close to the EPA estimates. (FYI, I'm originally from that area )....and aside from this, Hybrids are far more adversely affected by such things as COLD WEATHER, compared to a regular gas engine!!

The reason I know this fact to be true, is because not only do I have friends and an uncle who drives the current generation Prius, but have rented it as well from Fox-Rent-A-Car for 4 days and done some meticulous tests. From what I've heard first hand, as well as from what I've gleaned from my own tests, conservative driving yields mileage somewhere in the LOW to MID 40s combined (I personally got around 48mpg driving a constant 60mph on the freeway, and 41mpg driving conservatively in city areas)...In my tests of "agressive" driving I obtained around 35mpg in the city and 42mpg on the freeway at a constant 80mph, with an occasional slowdown to 70 - 75 due to traffic. Obtaining "hyper mileage" using techniques such as "PULSE and GLIDE", is simply not feasible in the real world, unless you have a great desire to be run over by some monster SUV behind you (or maybe even get shot by some moron) ......as a sidenote I made an interesting observation from these tests. Toyota claims better gas mileage in city driving conditions, but as can be seen, that never happened!!...just goes to show how FLAWED the EPA test procedures are!!

So as can be seen, a NORMAL person driving in the NORMAL world will only be able to get an average of around 45mpg with a Prius, using a CONSERVATIVE driving style. Friends of mine who own Stick-shift Toyota Echos, and using the same CONSERVATIVE driving style, average around 38 to 40mpg!!! That is a difference of only about 5mpg, which in purely FINANCIAL TERMS, virtually makes no sense at all. A majority of people who buy Priuses (such as my uncle) do it for a combination of several factors, which include the "environmental feel good" aspect, and also to make a statement about their choices (this is the precise reason the Civic Hybrid does not sell as well as the Prius), and the gas savings is just an added incentive. However, here in Southern California, the ability to drive single in the CARPOOL LANE does make for a significant benefit as well!!

That is cool, you figured out the Prius is not good for you.

But just because the car isn't good for you does not mean it is not good for anyone else.

Especially considering your location. That is usually one of the biggest difference in mpg figures.

What you call driving conservative might not be so conservative to someone else. And while hyper-mileaging is not something you can do on normal roads, using some hyper mileaging tricks you can certainly get better gas mileage.

Constant velocity will not net you the best gas mileage. That is a simple fact.

As for getting 55-60 mpg in a Prius, on greenhybrid.com, only 26 out of 489 get above 55 mpg. That is about 5.3%.

However, only 21 out of 489 get below 40 mpg. That is 4.3%.

I don't know of any other midsize cars that can average 40 mpg or more.

The average they report is 48 mpg. That is good gas mileage.

As for it not making financial sense, of course it doesn't. No one buys a hybrid for financial reasons. It is simply a snob vehicle. They buy because it makes them feel good, and they can brag about it. As you mentioned, the Civic Hybrid does not sell well, and that is because it looks like a Civic. There is no screaming,"I am driving a hybrid, I am better than you," from a Civic Hybrid.

Just stop making the blanket statements. 4 days of testing simply does not add up very well. I can say the top Prius II on greenhybrid.com gets 71.8 mpg over 12,158 miles. That is a lot more then 4 days of testing.