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Hyde · 07-11-2006, 04:05 PM

if it was a full redesign Gen 2 Fit then i would've definatly gotten the Honda.

but currently, the stupid Fit is a 5 year old design. not only its dated, but its already not up to par in what the Yaris have.

HanSel · 07-12-2006, 12:23 PM

yea..the yaris is a faster car stock..
but whats currently swaying me to the fit is the potential down the road..
k20 swaps...means FAST ass fits.

corey415 · 07-12-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyde

if it was a full redesign Gen 2 Fit then i would've definatly gotten the Honda.

but currently, the stupid Fit is a 5 year old design. not only its dated, but its already not up to par in what the Yaris have.

What do you mean not up to par? Every comparo/review I have seen places the Fit above the Yaris. It's not even close too.

Moose · 07-12-2006, 06:26 PM

Alrighty guys, I've been a Honda guy for years. I've done just about every Honda swap possible, driven all of them, even worked as a Service Manager for Honda, and I still have my current one in the garage. I have also owned several Toyotas over the years as second cars/daily drivers, the latest being my Yaris (and my project Celica), and I am now a Service Manager at Lexus, so I've seen both sides of the spectrum. Comparing Toyotas to Hondas is comparing apples to oranges- except for one thing- both are equally as reliable. Honda's lineup typically does not cater to the Toyota crowd, and vice-versa (one of the reasons this argument is so inane). I bought my Yaris, first and foremost, because it was cheap. If I wanted to spend $80 a month more, I may have bought the Fit. BTW, the "Fit" we get here is not the Fit/Jazz sold overseas. I drove a Fit in Europe for a while- the real Fit is 2 feet shorter, just as wide, much nicer inside, and much cheaper. Honda brought our faux-Fit here to draw in all of the 18-21 year old "JDM" crowd and make a killer profit.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, this "performace comparo" is a dead draw- each have their highs and lows. If you insist on a quickie comparo, here it is: In stock form, the Yaris is slightly quicker, the Fit handles slightly better, appearance is in the eye of the beholder, MPGs are so close it's negligible, and if you want a racecar, you shouldn't have bought either one.

Can't we all just get along?

Hyde · 07-12-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by corey415

What do you mean not up to par? Every comparo/review I have seen places the Fit above the Yaris. It's not even close too.

go look at the seat design and then the trunk. you will see that its a year 2000 car and not a 2006 car

I'd compare the Fit with last gen NCP13 Echo Hatch. and wait till a full redesign for the Fit before comparing it to the NCP91 Vitz

Hyde · 07-12-2006, 07:35 PM

btw
the Fit sold here is the excact same as the Made in China version. nothing close to the JDM or Euro Spec.

Moose · 07-12-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyde

btw
the Fit sold here is the excact same as the Made in China version. nothing close to the JDM or Euro Spec.

Exactly- but the "I'm mad JDM tyte, y0" crowd wouldn't believe you.

Hyde · 07-12-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Moose

Exactly- but the "I'm mad JDM tyte, y0" crowd wouldn't believe you.

then those are just ricer and not the true JDM crew lol

corey415 · 07-13-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Moose

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BTW, the "Fit" we get here is not the Fit/Jazz sold overseas. I drove a Fit in Europe for a while- the real Fit is 2 feet shorter, just as wide, much nicer inside, and much cheaper...

I believe the same can be said for the Yaris. Subcompacts overseas are available or come with much more features than we get in North America.

Hyde · 07-13-2006, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by corey415

I believe the same can be said for the Yaris. Subcompacts overseas are available or come with much more features than we get in North America.

actually no, every mechanical aspect is straight from Japan on the Yaris, the only things that are different are the longer bumper.

but on the Fit, all the body panels are based on the China made Fit, Interior is completely design to work with the North American standards(while the only other LHD Fit is the China Spec Fit in the world, that one shares an Mirrored version of the JDM interior). the only thing that bolts on from the JDM Fit is the LED taillight. in order to get JDM kits for the car, you'll have to get full JDM headlight housing,fenders, hood, radiator support frame, front bumper, re-bar.

also all the headers, suspension, exhaust does not bolt on to the American fit.

corey415 · 07-13-2006, 11:51 AM

I was not referring to body panels or mechanical parts.

The lack of JDM compatability isnt a big deal, at least not for me. The Fit Sport already comes with a body kit anyways.

I was referring to "feature content", like how the Yaris in Japan is available with VSC,TRC, what appears to be HID headlights, 30GB HDD navi, digital automatic climate control, etc.

My point was that all of the subcompacts that come from Japan are decontented when they are imported to North America, Fit and Yaris included.

Thirty-Nine · 07-13-2006, 11:58 AM

That's because in the U.S., carmakers believe Americans won't shell out the money for premium compacts. And, for the most part, I think they're right. However, with gas creeping ever closer to $3.50 and $4 a gallon, some might decide they want the luxuries of more expensive cars in smaller packages. Then again, maybe not.

ECHOKnight2000 · 07-13-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

That's because in the U.S., carmakers believe Americans won't shell out the money for premium compacts. And, for the most part, I think they're right. However, with gas creeping ever closer to $3.50 and $4 a gallon, some might decide they want the luxuries of more expensive cars in smaller packages. Then again, maybe not.

Yep, you're totally right...majority of Americans (not all) still perferr big cars (SUVs), not to say that they're not practical as far as hauling larger material but I have a feeling the average consumer isn't hauling ply wood or bricks day to day or weekly. The market in the U.S. is not big enough to justify such a "risk." But as Thirty-Nine said that could be changing...Scions are pretty decently equiped for their size and price range, the new Nissan Versa comes with stuff you wouldn't expect in that price range but I think the main reason is its directed towards or more of a response to Scion, same reason why the Honda FIT has more features availible than the Yaris cause its more directed towards the Scion brand. But its certainly a cultural thing and majority of consumers have the mentality of "bigger is better" but with gas prices I believe that is changing. I think a decent amount of people will keep their "big rigs" but buy a small effecient car for daily use and use the bigger one for hauling stuff...just a thought. Enough of my novel, you get the point.

bulldogs2k · 07-13-2006, 02:15 PM

^^^^ i agree! everyone thinks they need a v8 to run on the highways. I hope the small car trend picks up, and with current gas prices rising, they probably will. i would love to see premeium compacts driving around. Maybe in a couple years when price for gas prices rise.

HanSel · 07-13-2006, 02:21 PM

yea thats true. with gas prices becoming stupid expensive, manufacturers wanted to produce cars that would be gas-sippers, but still be comfortable and practical at the same time..hence the features on these three cars.

the castration (well thats a somewhat dramatic exaggeration) of cars that are imported to the us is pretty much done to every single car.. we'll always have the watered down versions anyway.

bulldogs2k · 07-13-2006, 02:24 PM

civics have luxury features...imo. its safe to say the trend has started and is moving towards the right direction.

TrancosRt · 07-13-2006, 04:01 PM

I was looking at the European version of the Yaris. Great stuff really!! DVD Navigation systems, keyless ignition (Prius style: a big START button with a fob key in your pocket) and a lot of goodies. i think the small car trend will pickup in the US, specially if manufacturers bring the cars they already have designed to the US (like the VW Fox. Similar to the Yaris in some ways actually)

ECHOKnight2000 · 07-13-2006, 04:36 PM

Going along with what you guys said, I assumed that non of the big three produce small cars...well guess again they do! Just not for the U.S. market, what a shame! They feel that SUV's and trucks will yield more profit margin, which is true cause that's they're cash flow, but shrinking.
Anyway they're too arrogant and dumb to send the cars they make for Europe or other places, abeit change it to meet U.S. regulations, you know what I mean? They actually make decent "small" cars for Europe, there loss, literally-and no Aveo is not that competent, although I read the 2007 is an "improvement" but fuel economy is still

for the segment. Enough of my rant.

07-12-2006, 06:26 PM	#130
Moose Resident Redneck Drives: 07 Polar White Yaris Sedan 5M Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 265	Alrighty guys, I've been a Honda guy for years. I've done just about every Honda swap possible, driven all of them, even worked as a Service Manager for Honda, and I still have my current one in the garage. I have also owned several Toyotas over the years as second cars/daily drivers, the latest being my Yaris (and my project Celica), and I am now a Service Manager at Lexus, so I've seen both sides of the spectrum. Comparing Toyotas to Hondas is comparing apples to oranges- except for one thing- both are equally as reliable. Honda's lineup typically does not cater to the Toyota crowd, and vice-versa (one of the reasons this argument is so inane). I bought my Yaris, first and foremost, because it was cheap. If I wanted to spend $80 a month more, I may have bought the Fit. BTW, the "Fit" we get here is not the Fit/Jazz sold overseas. I drove a Fit in Europe for a while- the real Fit is 2 feet shorter, just as wide, much nicer inside, and much cheaper. Honda brought our faux-Fit here to draw in all of the 18-21 year old "JDM" crowd and make a killer profit. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, this "performace comparo" is a dead draw- each have their highs and lows. If you insist on a quickie comparo, here it is: In stock form, the Yaris is slightly quicker, the Fit handles slightly better, appearance is in the eye of the beholder, MPGs are so close it's negligible, and if you want a racecar, you shouldn't have bought either one. Can't we all just get along? __________________ My other rides: 2003 Honda Civic LX Coupe 5M- S/C K24 w/ LSD coming soon! 1999 Honda Civic EX Coupe 5M w/ B18 powaa 1985 Toyota Celica GTS Coupe 5M- track whip http://www.importlounge.com Last edited by Moose; 07-12-2006 at 06:51 PM.

07-13-2006, 11:58 AM	#138
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	That's because in the U.S., carmakers believe Americans won't shell out the money for premium compacts. And, for the most part, I think they're right. However, with gas creeping ever closer to $3.50 and $4 a gallon, some might decide they want the luxuries of more expensive cars in smaller packages. Then again, maybe not. __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

07-13-2006, 04:36 PM	#144
ECHOKnight2000 Small Car Lover View User's Garage Drives: A Super Car Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Minnesota, US of A! Posts: 830	Going along with what you guys said, I assumed that non of the big three produce small cars...well guess again they do! Just not for the U.S. market, what a shame! They feel that SUV's and trucks will yield more profit margin, which is true cause that's they're cash flow, but shrinking. Anyway they're too arrogant and dumb to send the cars they make for Europe or other places, abeit change it to meet U.S. regulations, you know what I mean? They actually make decent "small" cars for Europe, there loss, literally-and no Aveo is not that competent, although I read the 2007 is an "improvement" but fuel economy is still for the segment. Enough of my rant. __________________ You may look good on the beach but in reality you're a pompus, egotistical jerk. "I was never on the beach with you..."and you never will.

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07-11-2006, 04:05 PM	#127
Hyde Drives: M3,CayenneS,SL500,550i,GT3RS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 181	if it was a full redesign Gen 2 Fit then i would've definatly gotten the Honda. but currently, the stupid Fit is a 5 year old design. not only its dated, but its already not up to par in what the Yaris have.

07-12-2006, 12:23 PM	#128
HanSel Drives: tentative yaris owner.. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OC Posts: 46	yea..the yaris is a faster car stock.. but whats currently swaying me to the fit is the potential down the road.. k20 swaps...means FAST ass fits.

07-12-2006, 07:35 PM	#132
Hyde Drives: M3,CayenneS,SL500,550i,GT3RS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 181	btw the Fit sold here is the excact same as the Made in China version. nothing close to the JDM or Euro Spec.

07-13-2006, 11:51 AM	#137
corey415 Drives: 95 Integra Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Fran, CA Posts: 58	I was not referring to body panels or mechanical parts. The lack of JDM compatability isnt a big deal, at least not for me. The Fit Sport already comes with a body kit anyways. I was referring to "feature content", like how the Yaris in Japan is available with VSC,TRC, what appears to be HID headlights, 30GB HDD navi, digital automatic climate control, etc. My point was that all of the subcompacts that come from Japan are decontented when they are imported to North America, Fit and Yaris included.

07-13-2006, 02:15 PM	#140
bulldogs2k Drives: '00 s2000, 2007 yaris hatch Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Va Beach Posts: 124	^^^^ i agree! everyone thinks they need a v8 to run on the highways. I hope the small car trend picks up, and with current gas prices rising, they probably will. i would love to see premeium compacts driving around. Maybe in a couple years when price for gas prices rise.

07-13-2006, 02:21 PM	#141
HanSel Drives: tentative yaris owner.. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OC Posts: 46	yea thats true. with gas prices becoming stupid expensive, manufacturers wanted to produce cars that would be gas-sippers, but still be comfortable and practical at the same time..hence the features on these three cars. the castration (well thats a somewhat dramatic exaggeration) of cars that are imported to the us is pretty much done to every single car.. we'll always have the watered down versions anyway.

07-13-2006, 02:24 PM	#142
bulldogs2k Drives: '00 s2000, 2007 yaris hatch Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Va Beach Posts: 124	civics have luxury features...imo. its safe to say the trend has started and is moving towards the right direction.

07-13-2006, 04:01 PM	#143
TrancosRt View User's Garage Drives: 07 Silver HB Yaris Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: S Florida Posts: 289	I was looking at the European version of the Yaris. Great stuff really!! DVD Navigation systems, keyless ignition (Prius style: a big START button with a fob key in your pocket) and a lot of goodies. i think the small car trend will pickup in the US, specially if manufacturers bring the cars they already have designed to the US (like the VW Fox. Similar to the Yaris in some ways actually)