Yaris vs. Camry - Yaris looses

[TheSilkySmooth]

OMG I though our structure was a bit more robust than this, but, this is probably the worst type of offset head-on crash you could get into - only the DS front 1/3 engaged. I don't feel as safe as I did just seeing the standard offset barrier crash test viddy.

Check it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTf78b8WfY

[TinyGiant]

poor yaris.. what a waste lol

[supmet]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

poor yaris.. what a waste lol

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction, and then still it is a slim chance to line up their forces perfectly opposite of each other. If either car had their course set 1 degree off of that test, the results would have been far less catastrophic.

Also, I don't feel like looking for camry vs 4000 lb vehicle collisions, but I don't think you're walking away from a head on with 7 series or a suburban with just a few bruises.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction.

sorry, but to call these types of crashes one in a million is a little ignorant.

drunk driving fatalities often occur very similar to this, where the drunk driver, without any notice to the oncoming car, veers across the center line. same goes for drowsy drivers, distracted drivers, etc...leaving the other driver little or no time to make any correction. those type of drunk driving fatalities were part of the impetus for these crash tests in europe. 100% identical. no, but these offset crash test come very close to simulating those types of crashes.

from the IIHS Status Report, 2007.

A disproportionate number of fatal
crashes occur on rural roads, and most
such crashes occur on two-lane roads. A
major problem on these roads involves
vehicles crossing the centerlines and striking
opposing traffic. Crashes like these
account for about 20 percent of all fatal
crashes on rural two-lane roads. Approximately
4,500 deaths occur annually in
such collisions.

we all have to face the fact if we are in a head on or offset collision at even a moderate speed we have a decent chance of either dying instantly or being crippled and/or brain damaged for life. there are very few cars we would collide with that would afford us the opportunity to fare better than that in a head on crash.

as a small car driver i have always been very cognizant of this and am very dilligent in driving with the attitude that every driver on the road could be an idiot.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

sorry, but to call these types of crashes one in a million is a little ignorant.

Wow a bunch of numbers that do nothing to show how often cars hit with exactly opposite forces, thanks!

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

2% is low, but how many of those are exactly opposite vectors of each other?? 1% maybe? Probably less? I used 1 in a million before as an idiom, but it may not be far off.

[texkid]

Originally Posted by supmet

Wow a bunch of numbers that do nothing to show how often cars hit with exactly opposite forces, thanks!

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

2% is low, but how many of those are exactly opposite vectors of each other?? 1% maybe? Probably less? I used 1 in a million before as an idiom, but it may not be far off.

Well, look at the rate of crashed Yaris owners on this forum. We're up to 7, I believe? One of them ended up in the ICU. The number of yaris owners that post on this forum is a just a SMALL fraction of the total number of Yaris owners in the US from '06 to '09 models. Therefore, I bet there is some Yaris owner out there that did get into a really bad head on collision that we don't know about.

Besides, I would like for you to keep up that smug attitude if you were to have to explain to a mother how her child was the "1 in a million" that died in the collision.

Another thing is that when they test these types of accidents, they want to see how the car will handle in an absolute worst case scenario (e.g. head on collisions and t-bones).

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by supmet

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

So, using those numbers at face value, you are 5 times more likely to die in a head-on crash than in any other. Which is about what you would expect from the carnage in the video. One of the drivers, at least, would have died.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Wow a bunch of numbers that do nothing to show how often cars hit with exactly opposite forces, thanks!

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision................but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

2% is low, but how many of those are exactly opposite vectors of each other?? .

sarcastic and smug all at once...are you sure you dont drive a prius?

so, one out of every 50 crashes is a head on collision. head on crashes are going to be quite often opposite vectors of each other.

you just cited information that contradicts your "1 in a million" idea. then you ask a question that my useless statistics already gave you the answer to. the head on crashes are precisely the crashes that make up a good chunk of the fatalities.

head on crashes may make up 2% of all crashes in the u.s. but the fact that head on crashes make up for 10% of fatal crashes is very disproportionate.

so, of the 40,000 fatal crashes per year in the U.S., 4000 of them are due to head on collisions.

trees make up another 8% of all fatal crashes, and certainly many of those are of the head on variety.

so, clearly more than 1 in 50 crashes are of the head on variety. to argue about how precisely offset the crashes are is not productive. a head on crash in any car has a disproportionate chance of ending in a fatality compared to all crashes, and having it happen in a yaris wont make those odds better.

however, the point that driving a smaller, more nimble car can help one avoid crashes in the first place is valid, so there are advantages to a car like the yaris that crash tests, of course, cannot measure.

[ellenbetty]

[QUOTE=roxy1;335609]
we all have to face the fact if we are in a head on or offset collision at even a moderate speed we have a decent chance of either dying instantly or being crippled and/or brain damaged for life. there are very few cars we would collide with that would afford us the opportunity to fare better than that in a head on crash./QUOTE]

I thought this web site was for owners of the Yaris. So unless you own a Yaris, as well as the vehicle you talk about owning, and have a constructive thing to save to reduce the risk of being killed during a head on accident while driving a Yaris, why are you wasting space on this web site? I traded in a Ford Ranger, as a down payment, to buy my second 2007 Yaris 3 door hatchback, (yes I am making two car payments on 2 Yarises, that how good I think the design of the Yaris 3 door liftback is.). I have been rear ended, in a Horizon, by a Ford F350, by a driver who expected me to run a red light on a interstate off ramp. The rear end of the Horizon was crushed in. Other than a shoulder bruise, which took 3 months to heal, I walked away from the accident. I think the Yaris 3 door hatchback is the best designed automobile I have owned or have seen. Driving a Yaris is a lot safer than riding a bicycle on the road. I know what it is like to be rear ended, while riding a bicycle, by a van. 6 weeks in the hospital. One year out patient doing spinal rehabilitation. 2 1/2 years vocational rehabilitation.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by ellenbetty

I thought this web site was for owners of the Yaris. So unless you own a Yaris, as well as the vehicle you talk about owning, and have a constructive thing to save to reduce the risk of being killed during a head on accident while driving a Yaris, why are you wasting space on this web site? I traded in a Ford Ranger, as a down payment, to buy my second 2007 Yaris 3 door hatchback, (yes I am making two car payments on 2 Yarises, that how good I think the design of the Yaris 3 door liftback is.). I have been rear ended, in a Horizon, by a Ford F350, by a driver who expected me to run a red light on a interstate off ramp. The rear end of the Horizon was crushed in. Other than a shoulder bruise, which took 3 months to heal, I walked away from the accident. I think the Yaris 3 door hatchback is the best designed automobile I have owned or have seen. Driving a Yaris is a lot safer than riding a bicycle on the road. I know what it is like to be rear ended, while riding a bicycle, by a van. 6 weeks in the hospital. One year out patient doing spinal rehabilitation. 2 1/2 years vocational rehabilitation.

Sorry to hear about your accidents, but sometimes you have to ignore signals to avoid being hit in the rear. If someone behind you cant stop - get out of the way, where possible. I drove into some bushes in front of a restaurant ( exit - stage right!) to avoid being rear-ended on a state highway in unexpected stopped traffic around a blind curve- the guy hit the person in front of me instead(while I was hiding in the bushes). I always have one eye in the rear view mirror, especially if im stopped in a precarious spot. Save me a few times, and saved motorcyclist behind me a few times too.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by ellenbetty

I thought this web site was for owners of the Yaris. So unless you own a Yaris, as well as the vehicle you talk about owning, and have a constructive thing to save to reduce the risk of being killed during a head on accident while driving a Yaris, why are you wasting space on this web site? .

wow. that seemed rather rude, and considering that was your second post since joining seven months ago it makes a poor impression. how could you post complaining about "having a constructive thing to say to reduce the risk of being killed in a head on accident while driving a yaris" and then contribute nothing of the sort in the rest of your post?? in one of my posts i stated :"however, the point that driving a smaller, more nimble car can help one avoid crashes in the first place is valid, so there are advantages to a car like the yaris that crash tests, of course, cannot measure. "

i did own a 2007 yaris hatchback 5 speed for over a year, so i am very familiar with the car. i traded for my corolla for a few reasons, but i have debated for some time about a yaris hatchback as a second car now. i like to keep up with whats going on with the yaris. nobody needs to own a yaris to be a member here. there are several reasons why a non owner might want to frequent this sight. it is a terrific sight despite the rare rude post, and unless we have moved to China, i think i have every right to post here (and maybe even contribute something once in a while) whenever the mood strikes me.

[Sandwash]

Originally Posted by supmet

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction, and then still it is a slim chance to line up their forces perfectly opposite of each other. If either car had their course set 1 degree off of that test, the results would have been far less catastrophic.

Also, I don't feel like looking for camry vs 4000 lb vehicle collisions, but I don't think you're walking away from a head on with 7 series or a suburban with just a few bruises.

Yes - thank you; there is risk to driving/living, and good news is that risk can be reduced via consciousness and action. Drive well/alert and chances are we'll likely live to life expectancy, at least.

[john21031]

this has been discussed before many times... small cars dont do well against heavy ones in these kinds of crashes...

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by john21031

this has been discussed before many times... small cars dont do well against heavy ones in these kinds of crashes...

Camry isnt that heavy, maybe 3400lbs? Prob = a 50mph barrier crash.

[Yaris Hilton]

No. The cars were both going 40 MPH, so if they were of equal mass it would be like an 80 MPH single vehicle collision. But because the Camry is ~1000 lbs heavier than the Yaris, they don't stop equally quickly. The Yaris is driven backward instead of coming to a halt, and therefore it's like a considerably faster barrier collision. 100 MPH, say.

The same physics apply with the Camry vs. a big Toyota pickup, or that pickup against a larger truck...

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by Yaris Hilton

No. The cars were both going 40 MPH, so if they were of equal mass it would be like an 80 MPH single vehicle collision.

You are incorrect here, Mr. Hilton. Simple physics, Newton's third law/conservation of momentum. If both vehicles weighed the same (Mass a=b) and they were traveling the same velocity and collided head on - this situation would be equivalent to a single vehicle collision into an immovable barrier (the Dozer in Vanishing Point?). What added to the structural damage is the 1/3 offset and the 1/2 tonne extra mass of the Camry. Without going through the calculus, I estimate a 50mph barrier collision. The Yaris damage in this trial isnt that much worse than vehicle structures 10 years ago; survivable but with injuries. Still ugly.

[Yaris Hilton]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

You are incorrect here, Mr. Hilton. Simple physics, Newton's third law/conservation of momentum. If both vehicles weighed the same (Mass a=b) and they were traveling the same velocity and collided head on - this situation would be equivalent to a single vehicle collision into an immovable barrier (the Dozer in Vanishing Point?). What added to the structural damage is the 1/3 offset and the 1/2 tonne extra mass of the Camry. Without going through the calculus, I estimate a 50mph barrier collision. The Yaris damage in this trial isnt that much worse than vehicle structures 10 years ago; survivable but with injuries. Still ugly.

You are totally incorrect, from start to finish.

[Yaris Hilton]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

You are incorrect here, Mr. Hilton. Simple physics, Newton's third law/conservation of momentum. If both vehicles weighed the same (Mass a=b) and they were traveling the same velocity and collided head on - this situation would be equivalent to a single vehicle collision into an immovable barrier (the Dozer in Vanishing Point?).

You know, I think you're right about the two equal mass cars slamming into each other exactly head on being just about like one of them slamming into an immovable fixed barrier at the same speed. I was thinking of one of them slamming into a similar stationary one at double the speed, which would also be equivalent. Sorry!