Guns

[firemachine69]

Wherever there are honest, law-abiding citizens, there will be violent criminals.

Please don't spew liberal BS about "education".

The right to defend one's self is a fundamental fact of life. Government should NOT have any say in this.

As they say:

"A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged."

and

"Fear of firearms is a sign of retarded sexual maturity."

[MadMax]

Y'know, it's funny. We have a Canadian Air Force liaison officer where I work and one of the first things he did when he got here was buy a pistol! Not because he was afraid of crime or anything, he just wanted to own a handgun! I took him to the range and let him shoot my XD45 and M1911s, and in the end he bought a Para Ordnance. He even brought his teenage son out to shot a few weeks ago, and I let him shoot all of my pistols. He was nervous, but did enjoy it. My point is, there are many pro-gun Canadians out there...

I've got lot of guns, and Texas is a very gun-friendly state. Non-CHL holders can actually legally carry concealed weapons in their cars thanks to the Castle Doctrine that was passed and took effect a little over a year ago. We don't have to worry about defending our families and properties from criminals, as far as I know no grand jury has ever not passed a 'No Bill' (conviction) against a law-abiding citizen that used a firearm to defend themselves. When we say 'Don't Mess With Texas,' we mean it!

This country was founded thanks to the gun, and our founding fathers made sure its citizens would always have the right to arm ourselves by including it in the Constitution. It was one of the most insightful amendments, and the Supreme Court recently revalidated that right in its ruling on Heller vs DC.

By the way, gun registration in Canada has been a huge failure! It has been estimated that as many as five million gun-owning Canadians have not registered their firearms. As of June 2003, only 6.4 million firearms had been registered, despite a 1974 estimate of 10 million guns in Canada. More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others are silently ignoring the law. The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war. The system is so bad that five Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register. And the myth that registration does not lead to confiscation didn't happen in Canada! The handgun registration law of 1934 was the source used to identify and confiscate (without compensation) over half of the registered handguns in 2001. And the attempts to register hasn't had any effect on crime. Canadian homicide rates were virtually unchanged before and after gun registration requirements were implemented (151/100,000 people in 1998 and 149/100,000 in 2002). In fact, after the implementation of Canada's 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the 'breaking and entering' crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate.

All those facts can be found in the latest issue of GunFacts. And for why guns are important in civilization, this outstandign article explains it better than I ever could...

Why the Gun in Civilization?

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.

Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society wherethe state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes more confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

If there is anyone you can trust as much as a Texan, it's a Marine!

Cheers! M2

[MadMax]

By the way, I want add one of these to my arsenal; but I fear the new administration is gonna make it too tough/expensive to get one now...



Cheers! M2

[Black Yaris]

dang..... what have I started
just wanted to show my new new revolver, and asked if anyone wanted to show off their pieces

[Black Yaris]

maybe he wants to target shoot from a mile away

[Black Yaris]

he should be good, if his target is a 10x10 brick wall

[MadMax]

I've got squirrel problems...the Barrett M107 takes care of them quite nicely!

And I don't give a fuck about the Geneva Convention anymore, I hung up my uniform a few years back and am now a contractor.

Cheers! M2

[KCALB SIRAY]

The kids


Ruger P95 along with



Glock 23


270 Winchester rifle


Shorty Mossberg 12 gauge

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by KCALB SIRAY

The kids


Shorty Mossberg 12 gauge

Congrats, that's a "Other Weapon" firearm, if the barrel is under 18 inches. In other words if it's not on the Registry you're gonna have some 'splaining to do.

Gene

[KCALB SIRAY]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Congrats, that's a "Other Weapon" firearm, if the barrel is under 18 inches. In other words if it's not on the Registry you're gonna have some 'splaining to do.

Gene

I'll be damned if Gene doesn't Google everything. Yep you are correct, it's 16", and the least of my worries

[darthbauer]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Congrats, that's a "Other Weapon" firearm, if the barrel is under 18 inches. In other words if it's not on the Registry you're gonna have some 'splaining to do.

Gene

Sorry but barrel laws do not pertain to weapons that can not be fired from the shoulder. If there is no stock then you can have any length barrel on anything. That's why AR pistols can have 7.5 inch barrels and not be SBR's.

[darthbauer]

Also, on a side note, shotgun barrels have to be 18 inch or over if a stock is on the weapon. 16 inches is only rifles or pistols that can be fired from the shoulder.

[darthbauer]

If there is no stock then the law see's it as not being able to be fired from the shoulder.

[darthbauer]

So this would be an SBR




And this would not

[MadMax]

KCALB SIRAY

"The kids"


Glock 23

Nice! I have a LaserMax in my XD45, one of the first ones made. Some people don't like them, but mine has been great!


Shorty Mossberg 12 gauge

You have a Serbu Shorty? Sweet! I have a Mossy Persuader with a pistol grip for HD, with a 120-lumn SureFire 6P mounted on it plus a laser designator. I keep it loaded with 3" 00-buckshot Magnum shells, with some slugs on the side; so it is a real blunderbuss

Cheers! M2

[jclo3313]

Romainian AKM, and a Bear Arms Baikal IJ-70 (Makarov) Pistol. I like old Com block weapons.
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[KCALB SIRAY]

and a few of these back in the day....way back, lol

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PK198105

not to open a can of worms , but why do you need CCW? are the States that dangerous?

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Incidentally, our murder rate hereabouts is well under 5.0/100,000, excepting nearby Pittsburgh, which has a burgeoning Drug Market. It's not the Drugs, it's the kiddies fighting over turf and debt. You cannot settle either one in Courts so they get physical about it.

IF guns "cause crime" than how come our heavily armed regions here have on average less crime than Chicago (murder capital of the US) which bans "assault weapons" and has frozen registry of handguns?

I think guns cause crime like shit causes flies.

Gene