ABS and "!" lights are ON again! - Page 14 - Toyota Yaris Forums

blueswan · 01-22-2011, 10:49 AM

Thanks da1nonly:

I'm going back to the dealership and will ask if each part of the three-part system (wiring, sensor and hub) was examined to find out which part is faulty or if they just plugged into the comp and got the error code: I don't mind paying for necessary repairs but I'm p.o'd with the idea of paying for the whole sensor system unnecessarily.

Can I demand to see the TSB at the dealership? Can I instruct them to do the repairs per the TSB, unless they can prove to me that the whole system needs to be replaced?

Don't laugh, but is there a possibility of getting this done at Canadian Tire? I've gone there for my regular maintenance because they're more woman- friendly than my rather macho dealership. I've had reliable service from my local C.T and I research things very carefully when I take my car in - they've never tried to oversell or con me into doing more than I need and answer my questions fully and in layman's terms. They also stand behind their work as I've already had occasion to find out.

Cheers and thanks for your help.

(edited to add - a scan of the TSB would be great!)

Dave · 01-22-2011, 04:19 PM

If you're comfortable poking around under the car, cleaning the crap out of the sensor can help too. Or you could take it to a garage you trust and ask a mechanic to clean the sensor for you. It may be worth a try to save all the money.

I cleaned mine at the end of December and I haven't seen the lights on since (knock on wood).

yaris2010RS · 01-22-2011, 04:21 PM

just to clarify, is the problem with the sensor itself or is it the connector?

Dave · 01-22-2011, 04:35 PM

I thought the problem was that a gap in the weather seal around the connector would allow the salt spray from the road to get into the spot where the wire harness connects to the hub. This impedes the electrical signals and causes the warning lights/ABS failure. That's why cleaning the gunk out and then protecting the gap with dielectric grease can help, if the salt hasn't already corroded any of the actual parts.

Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

bcolwill · 01-26-2011, 08:04 AM

I have a 2007 Yaris which I purchased from my mother-in-law in December 2009 with only 3500 KM on it. Not long after I had the same problem as many here. Brake lights on and disabled ABS when driving in salt & slush. I was able to obtain the code pointing to a rear speed sensor. This past summer I purchased some dielectric grease at CDN Tire, removed the connectors at the rear wheels, filled the stationary end full of the grease and plugged them back in. Since I have done that I have yet to see the problem appear again.

dwrf6 · 02-07-2011, 10:06 PM

Wow, glad to find this board.
I've got a 2007 Yaris 32 000km.
I had the brakes fixed in '09, dealer in Toronto covered it, with a list of clever question for me.
Had 14 000km at the time.
Year later, same issue, insufficient use of the vehicle caused the brakes to need repair again.
Full kit, pads, rotors(rusted and pitted too bad) and whatever else. 20 000km
I had to pay this time $750.

Well a good morning to me, started the car to the two board lights show up.
Not on when parked day prior.
"ABS" and "EMERG Brake", I personally prefer no ABS, obviously not working now.
Thanks for the info SPANN1 on the dealer visit.

What's my options? Can I use it without causing anymore issues?
Will the dealer find out that I disregarded the issue and then try to turn it on me.
Is this still covered under warranty?
Thanks

005 · 02-08-2011, 05:26 PM

Hi ,

I got the same problem with my 07 Yaris. It happened to me last year and this year again. I am expecting to see this problem every winter. First Canadian insurance company is not covered because tech found the water in harness. Yes you will. I am driving in the snow.

Yaris is not good for snowy drive. Toyota shouldn't sell the yaris in some province in Canada. AB, SK, MB, OT and QC.

If they want to, they should make it water proof or something for sensor and harness.

I believe Toyota Canada should take responsibility for this. We Canadians are less protected by Consumer Law. We don't have Lemon law and we never complaint like Lexus in states.

I will see what I can do about it. I will spread this message through all of my social network, face book, tweeter and so on. My trust on Toyota is eventually going down.

Mr. Toyota your name is on my car you should be taking care of this.

From Canada

N9QGS · 02-09-2011, 10:24 AM

I started having this problem for the first time this winter at 160K mi. and I appreciate the forum here to allow me to get it looked at, I am hoping its just limited to the harness and not both, but I am having an independent shop look at it right now for free, they said they would have to get the parts from toyota and there would probably be no difference in cost. But they will see if its anything they can clean up and put a temp fix in the meantime. I have a sedan 2007

devinlamothe · 02-09-2011, 10:38 AM

lol, I've been driving with the lights on for over a year now ... I can't for the life of me notice a difference with ABS on or off.

I just hope this isn't an insurance issue - when I have time this summer I will take the tires off and clean the sensors, but no way am I paying $800+ to get them fixed at the dealer.

Gman · 02-15-2011, 09:37 PM

Reading all these post all the way from 2008 has made me sick to my stomach, especially since there has been no recall after all this time. I also have the same problem, with the warning lights going on and off all winter. I can be driving and they will go on, and then 15min later as I continue to drive they go off. Two times this winter, I have also experienced my Yaris not slowing down at all when breaking on snow, even though it sounded like the abs was working, and both times I came extremely close to smashing into the car in front of me. This has lead me to not trust my brakes at all in slippery conditions.

I am hoping it will get warm enough this week-end so I can try the cleaning idea. Thanks to all who have posted in this thread with advice.

Bluevitz-rs · 02-15-2011, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gman

Reading all these post all the way from 2008 has made me sick to my stomach, especially since there has been no recall after all this time. I also have the same problem, with the warning lights going on and off all winter. I can be driving and they will go on, and then 15min later as I continue to drive they go off. Two times this winter, I have also experienced my Yaris not slowing down at all when breaking on snow, even though it sounded like the abs was working, and both times I came extremely close to smashing into the car in front of me. This has lead me to not trust my brakes at all in slippery conditions.

I am hoping it will get warm enough this week-end so I can try the cleaning idea. Thanks to all who have posted in this thread with advice.

Sorry, but this problem with the wheel speed sensors will have no effect on you brakes not working. So if you're that concerned about the safety of your vehicle, why haven't you taken it to the dealer?

Gman · 02-16-2011, 07:45 AM

My brakes not working correctly happened while the two lights were "off". When the light are "on" I have no ABS, and like some others have said, I actually would prefer not to have ABS in the winter, and only have it when the pavement is not slippery.

As for why I have not gone to Toyota, I am not interested in paying close to $90 just to have them plug the car into a computer, and simply put, do not have the cash to pay that much money to just find out what is wrong and not actually make any repairs.

spann1 · 02-21-2011, 04:27 PM

As previously noted my 2007 Toyota Yaris (out of warranty)ABS brake were finally repaired a few weeks ago. Still working fine!
The total was $52.00 for the computer scan and this you need to do so Toyota dealer can advise you of the fault, as well as estimate costs. Then ask the dealer for a good will gesture and they should have a response back to you within a day. My total to replace the two rear sensors was $142.00 including tax for parts and labour. Toyota Canada picked up 60% and local Toyota Dealer picked up 20%. Good Luck to all the Yaris owners going after the ABS fix, this should be a free recall, we all know this; but at least Toyota picked up 80% for me !

Gman · 02-21-2011, 07:17 PM

You wouldn't happen to have a letter from Toyota Canada indicating they would pay 60% you could send me would you??

My dealer wanted $76 to plug it into the computer.

yaris2010RS · 02-21-2011, 07:37 PM

if ur car is out of warranty just follow the tips listed above and clear computer code urself.

Gman · 02-21-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaris2010RS

if ur car is out of warranty just follow the tips listed above and clear computer code urself.

Well if I can get 80% paid like spann, I would rather do that. I am assuming that they replaced the sensor and harness with the newer and improved connection that has come out.

spann1 · 02-22-2011, 10:58 PM

Yes Toyota replaced the sensors on both rear brakes and both cables complete.
This is a different connection than the original connections so it should resolve any future issues. (We Hope!)

derickveliz2 · 03-01-2011, 02:23 PM

ABS + BREAK lights just turn on at the same time, I have taken many times these connectors on and off (rear) , I just can't think of why it happens over and over. Toyota please take notice! and I should read all this tread.

D.

01-22-2011, 04:21 PM	#3
yaris2010RS View User's Garage Drives: no-longer-boosted '10 Yaris Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Angus, Ontario Posts: 1,886	just to clarify, is the problem with the sensor itself or is it the connector? __________________ If it has boobs or wheels sooner or later your gonna have problems with it

01-22-2011, 04:35 PM	#4
Dave Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 100	I thought the problem was that a gap in the weather seal around the connector would allow the salt spray from the road to get into the spot where the wire harness connects to the hub. This impedes the electrical signals and causes the warning lights/ABS failure. That's why cleaning the gunk out and then protecting the gap with dielectric grease can help, if the salt hasn't already corroded any of the actual parts. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong. Last edited by Dave; 01-25-2011 at 11:15 PM. Reason: bad grammar

01-26-2011, 08:04 AM	#5
bcolwill Drives: 2007 Yaris 4DR Hatchback Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3	Possible Resolution I have a 2007 Yaris which I purchased from my mother-in-law in December 2009 with only 3500 KM on it. Not long after I had the same problem as many here. Brake lights on and disabled ABS when driving in salt & slush. I was able to obtain the code pointing to a rear speed sensor. This past summer I purchased some dielectric grease at CDN Tire, removed the connectors at the rear wheels, filled the stationary end full of the grease and plugged them back in. Since I have done that I have yet to see the problem appear again.

02-09-2011, 10:24 AM	#8
N9QGS View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Toyota Yaris Sedan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Georgetown, KY Posts: 117	I started having this problem for the first time this winter at 160K mi. and I appreciate the forum here to allow me to get it looked at, I am hoping its just limited to the harness and not both, but I am having an independent shop look at it right now for free, they said they would have to get the parts from toyota and there would probably be no difference in cost. But they will see if its anything they can clean up and put a temp fix in the meantime. I have a sedan 2007 __________________ 198K Miles

02-21-2011, 04:27 PM	#13
spann1 Drives: 2007 yaris sedan Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: niagara region Posts: 4	ABS Fixed As previously noted my 2007 Toyota Yaris (out of warranty)ABS brake were finally repaired a few weeks ago. Still working fine! The total was $52.00 for the computer scan and this you need to do so Toyota dealer can advise you of the fault, as well as estimate costs. Then ask the dealer for a good will gesture and they should have a response back to you within a day. My total to replace the two rear sensors was $142.00 including tax for parts and labour. Toyota Canada picked up 60% and local Toyota Dealer picked up 20%. Good Luck to all the Yaris owners going after the ABS fix, this should be a free recall, we all know this; but at least Toyota picked up 80% for me !

01-22-2011, 10:49 AM	#1
blueswan Drives: 2007 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lindsay Ontario Posts: 3	Thanks da1nonly: I'm going back to the dealership and will ask if each part of the three-part system (wiring, sensor and hub) was examined to find out which part is faulty or if they just plugged into the comp and got the error code: I don't mind paying for necessary repairs but I'm p.o'd with the idea of paying for the whole sensor system unnecessarily. Can I demand to see the TSB at the dealership? Can I instruct them to do the repairs per the TSB, unless they can prove to me that the whole system needs to be replaced? Don't laugh, but is there a possibility of getting this done at Canadian Tire? I've gone there for my regular maintenance because they're more woman- friendly than my rather macho dealership. I've had reliable service from my local C.T and I research things very carefully when I take my car in - they've never tried to oversell or con me into doing more than I need and answer my questions fully and in layman's terms. They also stand behind their work as I've already had occasion to find out. Cheers and thanks for your help. (edited to add - a scan of the TSB would be great!)

01-22-2011, 04:19 PM	#2
Dave Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 100	If you're comfortable poking around under the car, cleaning the crap out of the sensor can help too. Or you could take it to a garage you trust and ask a mechanic to clean the sensor for you. It may be worth a try to save all the money. I cleaned mine at the end of December and I haven't seen the lights on since (knock on wood).

02-07-2011, 10:06 PM	#6
dwrf6 Drives: 2007 Yaris hatchback Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 2	Wow, glad to find this board. I've got a 2007 Yaris 32 000km. I had the brakes fixed in '09, dealer in Toronto covered it, with a list of clever question for me. Had 14 000km at the time. Year later, same issue, insufficient use of the vehicle caused the brakes to need repair again. Full kit, pads, rotors(rusted and pitted too bad) and whatever else. 20 000km I had to pay this time $750. Well a good morning to me, started the car to the two board lights show up. Not on when parked day prior. "ABS" and "EMERG Brake", I personally prefer no ABS, obviously not working now. Thanks for the info SPANN1 on the dealer visit. What's my options? Can I use it without causing anymore issues? Will the dealer find out that I disregarded the issue and then try to turn it on me. Is this still covered under warranty? Thanks

02-08-2011, 05:26 PM	#7
005 I've made a post! Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: AB Posts: 1	Hi , I got the same problem with my 07 Yaris. It happened to me last year and this year again. I am expecting to see this problem every winter. First Canadian insurance company is not covered because tech found the water in harness. Yes you will. I am driving in the snow. Yaris is not good for snowy drive. Toyota shouldn't sell the yaris in some province in Canada. AB, SK, MB, OT and QC. If they want to, they should make it water proof or something for sensor and harness. I believe Toyota Canada should take responsibility for this. We Canadians are less protected by Consumer Law. We don't have Lemon law and we never complaint like Lexus in states. I will see what I can do about it. I will spread this message through all of my social network, face book, tweeter and so on. My trust on Toyota is eventually going down. Mr. Toyota your name is on my car you should be taking care of this. From Canada

02-09-2011, 10:38 AM	#9
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	lol, I've been driving with the lights on for over a year now ... I can't for the life of me notice a difference with ABS on or off. I just hope this isn't an insurance issue - when I have time this summer I will take the tires off and clean the sensors, but no way am I paying $800+ to get them fixed at the dealer.

02-15-2011, 09:37 PM	#10
Gman Drives: 2008 yaris Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Quebec, canada Posts: 11	Reading all these post all the way from 2008 has made me sick to my stomach, especially since there has been no recall after all this time. I also have the same problem, with the warning lights going on and off all winter. I can be driving and they will go on, and then 15min later as I continue to drive they go off. Two times this winter, I have also experienced my Yaris not slowing down at all when breaking on snow, even though it sounded like the abs was working, and both times I came extremely close to smashing into the car in front of me. This has lead me to not trust my brakes at all in slippery conditions. I am hoping it will get warm enough this week-end so I can try the cleaning idea. Thanks to all who have posted in this thread with advice.

02-16-2011, 07:45 AM	#12
Gman Drives: 2008 yaris Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Quebec, canada Posts: 11	My brakes not working correctly happened while the two lights were "off". When the light are "on" I have no ABS, and like some others have said, I actually would prefer not to have ABS in the winter, and only have it when the pavement is not slippery. As for why I have not gone to Toyota, I am not interested in paying close to $90 just to have them plug the car into a computer, and simply put, do not have the cash to pay that much money to just find out what is wrong and not actually make any repairs.

02-21-2011, 07:17 PM	#14
Gman Drives: 2008 yaris Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Quebec, canada Posts: 11	You wouldn't happen to have a letter from Toyota Canada indicating they would pay 60% you could send me would you?? My dealer wanted $76 to plug it into the computer. Last edited by Gman; 02-21-2011 at 08:50 PM.

02-21-2011, 07:37 PM	#15
yaris2010RS View User's Garage Drives: no-longer-boosted '10 Yaris Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Angus, Ontario Posts: 1,886	if ur car is out of warranty just follow the tips listed above and clear computer code urself. __________________ If it has boobs or wheels sooner or later your gonna have problems with it

02-22-2011, 10:58 PM	#17
spann1 Drives: 2007 yaris sedan Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: niagara region Posts: 4	ABS repair Yes Toyota replaced the sensors on both rear brakes and both cables complete. This is a different connection than the original connections so it should resolve any future issues. (We Hope!)

03-01-2011, 02:23 PM	#18
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	ABS + BREAK lights just turn on at the same time, I have taken many times these connectors on and off (rear) , I just can't think of why it happens over and over. Toyota please take notice! and I should read all this tread. D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC