Bush dodges a shoe attack!!

[bobselectric]

Originally Posted by mo_feezy

I was honestly surprised that Bush was able to duck both shoes. Especially with the reports that he's been hitting the bottle pretty hard recently. In fact, Bush supposedly cut his face by falling off the couch drunk. This is the same man who CHOKED ON A PRETZEL AND GAVE HIMSELF A BLACK EYE. He is more of a danger to himself than anyone else is. Especially a shoe thrower.



In case you've ignored the details. This mans family was killed during this war. So as far as he is concerned, I'm sure Bush is worse than Hussein in that regard. I don't think this really matters.

No I didn't ignore the details, I just stopped reading when I got to the poor Iraqi part. As I said if you don't respect the man, respect the office. I don't care if you didn't vote for him, disrespecting the President of the US is like wiping your ass with the Flag.

Oh and Panama boy, your country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the US. You would still be some Colombians slave if we didn't recognize the "revolution" when we wanted to build the canal

[PetersRedYaris]

I admit I was super impressed with Bush's cat-like reflexes. That would have been a direct face hit...

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by bobselectric

Nobody respects this man, please respect the office.

Originally Posted by bobselectric

As I said if you don't respect the man, respect the office. I don't care if you didn't vote for him, disrespecting the President of the US is like wiping your ass with the Flag.

Well, I, for one, am not an American citizen, but I think I can safely say that one's president is the first one who should respect his/her office, and Bush certainly hasn't in quite a few occasions. If a person wants respect, he/she ultimately needs to earn it.

Oh and Panama boy, your country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the US. You would still be some Colombians slave if we didn't recognize the "revolution" when we wanted to build the canal

What does that have anything to do with this discussion? Besides, that last statement is not necessarily true.

I agree that a certain level of respect is actually "inherited" by a president elect. But when the president's term is over, the respect he/she leaves office with is entirely his/her own.

[mo_feezy]

As I said if you don't respect the man, respect the office. I don't care if you didn't vote for him, disrespecting the President of the US is like wiping your ass with the Flag.

That might be true, but I didn't throw a shoe at the president. An Iraqi man did. I don't think that he has the same duty to respect the President of the U.S. He probably doesn't have much of a reason not to wipe his ass with the flag either.

[ddongbap]

Wow, some srus bzns in hurr.

[TheRealEnth]

Yeah, This i can official say... Is pretty much like one of the only things that makes me like bush =D lol..... That was pretty sick =p

[Bob_VT]

I am positive that there are some unemployed secret service agents from that incident. I am pissed that they did not react quicker.

The secret service needs to relook at their gameplans.

[TLyttle]

DFA's point comes from outside the US. Very few people on this site from "foreign" countries (Canada is recognised as "foreign" by the US) have much respect for Bush, and the catastrophic results of his policies. If anyone brought the Office into disrepute, it is Bush himself, not some journalist. Bush's reaction to the whole episode was typically ignorant and arrogant, same as every other public appearance he has made in the last 8 years. G'bye, Dubya, don't let the door smack your butt on the way out.

[ChinoCharles]

Arm them one decade and invade them the next... no wonder no one trusts us, and no wonder at least one Iraqi found it prudent to let our President know that he is not happy with him.

Oh, Brian. I love it when you tell it like it is.

[bobselectric]

Very thought provoking Gene. While not probable, it brings to mind the Invasion by Immigration occurring in Europe at this moment. There are large population centers of Muslims in France and the Netherlands, with some estimates saying the Muslims will be the majority in the Netherlands within 10 years. I AM AWARE THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!! However you can't ignore that the poor, adolescents, and college students are the majority of extremists, and some of these people will become terrorists to spread the word of Allah.
One of the basic tenets of Islam is the respect that must be paid to guests, even disliked ones. I guess that all the applause from the Muslim world is that the Yankees will sign the shoe thrower and use him in the rotation.
Read your history folks, and not the propaganda that is taught in the schools

[DFA]

Great post Gene, putting oneself in the other's shoes does great lenghts for having a wider perspective of things.

TYLyttle speaks the truth, my intention wasn't and never has been to lash out at the office or the general US population.
I(and a really large group of people around the world, as weird as it might seem to some.) resent the ideas and leadership of one man only: George Bush. The man just has WAY too much blood on his hands, and has done unmesurable damage to our planet by turning his back on a bunch of environmental policies.

bobselectric, as tk-421 mentioned, your lashing out at me is both overblown and uncalled for. Yes, the US lent a hand with our independence, but all you really did was park your boats around to keep Colombia from getting reinforcements here and then bribe them to keep from coming back, for just a fraction of what you were going to put in your pockets because of the Canal.

Anyway, just drop me PM if you want to discuss history, because I don't think a lot of people here are that interested in some 3rd world country's independence story.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by DFA

I(and a really large group of people around the world, as weird as it might seem to some.) resent the ideas and leadership of one man only: George Bush. The man just has WAY too much blood on his hands, and has done unmesurable damage to our planet by turning his back on a bunch of environmental policies.

Don't put it all on Bush. I don't think well of him myself but please keep in mind that the US Congress handed him war powers authorization back in 2002. There were, and still are, a lot of "neo-Cons" who support nation building.

I'm curious - what sort of environmental policy is Bush supposed to back? Human caused global Warming has not been demonstrated from the data, and the computer models have been found to be faulty. The IPCC are a bunch of whores with PhDs who do not hew to sound scientific principles, but are more akin to the Catholic Church officials who criticized Galileo and Copernicus for their "heresy".

You can add me to your hate list if you wish - I oppose the Kyoto Treaty and the Poznan protocols. I hope that every person in the US who likes such non-sense suffers as a result, as many will.

What is tragic is how many people in the developing world will suffer as a result of Kyoto and Poznan. If you really think that the Carbon Tax proceeds are coming your way guess again. The wealthy will take most of them and live better and folks like yourself will be kept down.

Gene

[slothman86]

that's so great!

[TLyttle]

Wow, I'm glad that Gene took the time to write that! I kept thinking those same thoughts since 2003, but whenever I advanced any of them on other sites I was told I was anti-US. Very factual, and very insightful.

[Tamago]

honestly, who throws a shoe??

[Malaya1221]

Gene, The Sultan of Spin...I don't deny that half of what you said are true but I don't believe US invaded Iraq to quench the oppressions...The US Gov't. had/have backed tyrannical states and we've never blinked an eye if the state violated any human rights!(used to live in one)...It's sad to say that most of our so called "Freedom and Democracy" imparting to the world is about money!

You reminded me of Matt Damon(Will) from "Good will Hunting"...

Sean: Thought about what you said to me the other day, about my painting. Stayed up half the night thinking about it. Something occurred to me... fell into a deep peaceful sleep, and haven't thought about you since. Do you know what occurred to me?
Will: No.
Sean: You're just a kid, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talkin' about.
Will: Why thank you.
Sean: It's all right. You've never been out of Boston.
Will: Nope.
Sean: So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling; seen that. If I ask you about women, you'd probably give me a syllabus about your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You're a tough kid. And I'd ask you about war, you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, "once more unto the breach dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help. I'd ask you about love, you'd probably quote me a sonnet. But you've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone that could level you with her eyes, feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you. Who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn't know what it's like to be her angel, to have that love for her, be there forever, through anything, through cancer. And you wouldn't know about sleeping sitting up in the hospital room for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes, that the terms "visiting hours" don't apply to you. You don't know about real loss, 'cause it only occurs when you've loved something more than you love yourself. And I doubt you've ever dared to love anybody that much. And look at you... I don't see an intelligent, confident man... I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you're a genius Will. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine, and you ripped my fucking life apart. You're an orphan right?
[Will nods]
Sean: You think I know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are, because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally... I don't give a shit about all that, because you know what, I can't learn anything from you, I can't read in some fuckin' book. Unless you want to talk about you, who you are. Then I'm fascinated. I'm in. But you don't want to do that do you sport? You're terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.


Salaam 'Alaykum!

"honestly, who throws a shoe?" a fu$&ing journo!

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

Gene, The Sultan of Spin...I don't deny that half of what you said are true but I don't believe US invaded Iraq to quench the oppressions...

I wanted people to imagine how it would feel if militant purist form of Islam, say Wahabbism, inspired some nations to invade the US and impose Islam upon us, THEIR version of Islam. There are many many different kinds of Islam, I know.

I don't myself know why the US invaded Iraq. I wish that it would end as soon as possible. We also ought to leave Afghanistan, and I think leaving Bosnia, Kosovo and a few others places is also in order.

As President Washington said in his farewell address -

"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it?

Gene

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by GeneW

"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it?

Cultivating peace cannot be a valid excuse to go to war. War will always bring more war. Peace is never really attained, either. It is like a light at the end of a tunnel. Sometimes you see it, sometimes you don't. But destroying the train that ultimately gets you to the light is not exactly the best way to accomplish actually getting there. Am I making any sense here?

I once read a quote that read: "Bombing for peace is like f*cking for virginity". I couldn't agree more.

Much , as always