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Nagoya_TRD. · 05-04-2009, 06:07 PM

Rotas are reverse engineered, subpar cast wheels = fail

Expensive japanese wheels are usually forged or use cold spun forged drums with cast center disks. American wheels like CCWs, or Fikses are full forged. Forged > Cast anyday of the week.

Rota does not have the tooling required to make proper 2 and 3 piece wheels. They do not have the tooling to make forged wheels. That would raise the price. Low pressure casting is the absolute bottom rung of wheel manufacturing technology which is what Rota uses.

80 percent of expensive japanese wheels are anodize finished and clearcoated and/or have a anodize lip. Anodize > Clearcoated or powdercoated finishes. Anodized finishes do not peel, or fade and hold up to scratches much better. They are sensitive to acid based wheel cleaners, that's about it (use only soap and water)

Without originators, rota and other knockoffs are fucked. That speaks volumes. They are the equivalent of automotive leeches.

Tell me when rota starts making wheels for formula cars and full sanctioned race quality wheels. Then i would consider them safe enough for my street car.

Every wheel goes through heat and stress cycles when they get raced, which is why teams buy multiple sets of wheels and cycle them frequently. After 1-2 years, they get sold off or throw away. Any wheel can crack from such stress cycles. Wheels that are forged, semi-solid forged, etc or have real research and development put into them will last quite a bit longer.

Looks and style are only skin deep.

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagoya_TRD.

Tell me when rota starts making wheels for formula cars and full sanctioned race quality wheels.

and this is why i love Team Dynamics :)

2006fronty · 05-04-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

and this is why i love Team Dynamics :)

I was surprised that Team Dynamics wheels are really affordable

Mouse · 05-04-2009, 06:43 PM

I think there are a couple of race teams in Thailand or the Phillipines that run rotas.

Team Dynamics + BTCC = Awesome wheels

If they can take the punishment of the BTCC....They can take anything. Plus they're cheap.

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 06:44 PM

pssssssssssssssssssssssst they're cast wheels

Nagoya_TRD. · 05-04-2009, 06:56 PM

Not all of the TRDynamics wheels are cast. They have forging and anodizing technology under their belt, and can make forged and cast wheels just like Enkei. It speaks volumes about the company that stands behind the products they sell.

jkuchta · 05-04-2009, 06:48 PM

I've got a set of Rota J Mags mounted with Falken RT-615's for sale cheap in the "for sale" section!

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkuchta

I've got a set of Rota J Mags mounted with Falken RT-615's for sale cheap in the "for sale" section!

too bad they're insanely heavy hahaah

jkuchta · 05-04-2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

too bad they're insanely heavy hahaah

They're not that bad...and the sidewalls are stiff as hell....perfect for a mid-speed autocross course!

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkuchta

They're not that bad...and the sidewalls are stiff as hell....perfect for a mid-speed autocross course!

i'm a fan of the RT-615 for autocross for sure.. but mounted to a rota, it's kind of like a diamond ring on a little piglet lol

Malaya1221 · 05-04-2009, 07:09 PM

(1970'S)Chrysler-Mitsubishi, Ford, Daihatsu, Toyota, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, Opel and Volkswagen would not use ROTA for their oem wheels if they're not of quality wheels.

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

(1970'S)Chrysler-Mitsubishi, Ford, Daihatsu, Toyota, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, Opel and Volkswagen would not use ROTA for their oem wheels if they're not of quality wheels.

lol yeah because 1970's cars were of top quality

Malaya1221 · 05-04-2009, 07:29 PM

they were!

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 07:47 PM

did ROTA used to build Konig wheels?

yes they did

Nagoya_TRD. · 05-04-2009, 07:57 PM

I like those Koenig Wheels.

Those i can do without.

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nagoya_TRD.

I like those Koenig Wheels.

please dont confuse koenig with konig

Tamago · 05-04-2009, 08:02 PM

koenig=serious fabrication

konig = rebadged rotas

schleppy · 05-05-2009, 02:54 PM

I don't know why everyone craps on Rota all the time. Being a former Subaru guy, I'm used to hearing more good than bad about Rota. Rotas were immensely popular with the Suby guys. Between myself and my friends we've run at least 10+ different sets of Rotas without a single issue. I personally ran three different sets.

Are there stronger/lighter/better wheels out there? Sure. Are Rotas absolute crap? In my experience, not at all. For the price they are great.

Just my 2c

05-04-2009, 06:44 PM	#5
Tamago View User's Garage Drives: UZJ100 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Off Grid Posts: 4,925	pssssssssssssssssssssssst they're cast wheels __________________ Been a long time messing with cars..

05-04-2009, 07:47 PM	#14
Tamago View User's Garage Drives: UZJ100 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Off Grid Posts: 4,925	did ROTA used to build Konig wheels? yes they did __________________ Been a long time messing with cars..

05-04-2009, 08:02 PM	#17
Tamago View User's Garage Drives: UZJ100 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Off Grid Posts: 4,925	koenig=serious fabrication konig = rebadged rotas __________________ Been a long time messing with cars..

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05-04-2009, 06:07 PM	#1
Nagoya_TRD. Drives: None. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 131	Rotas are reverse engineered, subpar cast wheels = fail Expensive japanese wheels are usually forged or use cold spun forged drums with cast center disks. American wheels like CCWs, or Fikses are full forged. Forged > Cast anyday of the week. Rota does not have the tooling required to make proper 2 and 3 piece wheels. They do not have the tooling to make forged wheels. That would raise the price. Low pressure casting is the absolute bottom rung of wheel manufacturing technology which is what Rota uses. 80 percent of expensive japanese wheels are anodize finished and clearcoated and/or have a anodize lip. Anodize > Clearcoated or powdercoated finishes. Anodized finishes do not peel, or fade and hold up to scratches much better. They are sensitive to acid based wheel cleaners, that's about it (use only soap and water) Without originators, rota and other knockoffs are fucked. That speaks volumes. They are the equivalent of automotive leeches. Tell me when rota starts making wheels for formula cars and full sanctioned race quality wheels. Then i would consider them safe enough for my street car. Every wheel goes through heat and stress cycles when they get raced, which is why teams buy multiple sets of wheels and cycle them frequently. After 1-2 years, they get sold off or throw away. Any wheel can crack from such stress cycles. Wheels that are forged, semi-solid forged, etc or have real research and development put into them will last quite a bit longer. Looks and style are only skin deep.

05-04-2009, 06:43 PM	#4
Mouse Drives: 2007 MX5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 338	I think there are a couple of race teams in Thailand or the Phillipines that run rotas. Team Dynamics + BTCC = Awesome wheels If they can take the punishment of the BTCC....They can take anything. Plus they're cheap.

05-04-2009, 06:56 PM	#6
Nagoya_TRD. Drives: None. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 131	Not all of the TRDynamics wheels are cast. They have forging and anodizing technology under their belt, and can make forged and cast wheels just like Enkei. It speaks volumes about the company that stands behind the products they sell.

05-04-2009, 06:48 PM	#7
jkuchta View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris hatch (red) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: L.A. Posts: 557	I've got a set of Rota J Mags mounted with Falken RT-615's for sale cheap in the "for sale" section!

05-04-2009, 07:09 PM	#11
Malaya1221 super duper M*******TOR Drives: 2007 jahPANIS egg(Sarao Phil) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torrance, Ca Posts: 1,011	(1970'S)Chrysler-Mitsubishi, Ford, Daihatsu, Toyota, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, Opel and Volkswagen would not use ROTA for their oem wheels if they're not of quality wheels.

05-04-2009, 07:29 PM	#13
Malaya1221 super duper M*******TOR Drives: 2007 jahPANIS egg(Sarao Phil) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torrance, Ca Posts: 1,011	they were!

05-04-2009, 07:57 PM	#15
Nagoya_TRD. Drives: None. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 131	I like those Koenig Wheels. Those i can do without.

05-05-2009, 02:54 PM	#18
schleppy I love momentum. View User's Garage Drives: 2009 Yaris LB, Red Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 587	I don't know why everyone craps on Rota all the time. Being a former Subaru guy, I'm used to hearing more good than bad about Rota. Rotas were immensely popular with the Suby guys. Between myself and my friends we've run at least 10+ different sets of Rotas without a single issue. I personally ran three different sets. Are there stronger/lighter/better wheels out there? Sure. Are Rotas absolute crap? In my experience, not at all. For the price they are great. Just my 2c