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Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

sounds like you have a problem with the people. the actual religion is not NEARLY as creepy as they're making it sound to you. shame you've met some retarded apples.

Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I still respect the SDA religion, as I think respecting others is important, but the things the leaders are teaching is just, well, extraordinary. He's saying that if you break one thing, that all your "good work" is nothing.

I've also asked my ex about our relatives who have passed, and since they were not SDA's and didn't follow the bible, does that make them have a higher chance of being in hell than heaven? She replies by saying that she cannot answer that, and only God can judge. I also said the same thing about that thief who went to heaven. Ummm, yeah, well, then leave me the **** alone if it is God that can say where I go. I seriously refuse to think if you're a genuinely good person, but do not follow the bible, then you're pretty much condemned to hell. That's seriously stupid...

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I seriously refuse to think if you're a genuinely good person, but do not follow the bible, then you're pretty much condemned to hell. That's seriously stupid...

if you dont' follow the bible, which means you don't worship god, do you think you'd be happy in heaven?

you'd get there and be like "worship what?? hell no, i'm not worshipping god"

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

if you dont' follow the bible, which means you don't worship god, do you think you'd be happy in heaven?

you'd get there and be like "worship what?? hell no, i'm not worshipping god"

LOL. I don't think I need to follow the bible to worship God. Otherwise, I'd be worshiping the bible.

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

LOL. I don't think I need to follow the bible to worship God. Otherwise, I'd be worshiping the bible.

does the bible not say to worship god?

do you follow the 10 commandments?

if you don't follow the bible but think you're gonna get into heaven, that's like NOT STUDYING for your SAT and expecting to pass with flying colors....

(by the way, to clear this up, i am no longer an SDA or a religious person in any way really. i just don't like seeing a religion that did me no harm being represented as poorly as it's been presented to you.)

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:03 PM

On another note, if someone was about to kill your (again, being general here) family, and you had a gun right next to you, would you not use it?

Or if there was a major natural disaster, and your family was starving, would you not steal a loaf of bread to keep them alive?

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

On another note, if someone was about to kill your (again, being general here) family, and you had a gun right next to you, would you not use it?

Or if there was a major natural disaster, and your family was starving, would you not steal a loaf of bread to keep them alive?

why steal when you can barter?

why kill when you can disable?

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

why steal when you can barter?

why kill when you can disable?

How can you barter when no one is around? I mean, during Katrina, people were talked about on the news for stealing bread from a bakery that was not attended.

If I could, I would disable a person before using lethal forces. But let's say that you were in a physical position that will not disable a person fully, but were in a position that aims the gun straight to the head, and only have one bullet, where the killer has multiple bullets? I'm not saying that killing is right, and I highly think it is wrong, but if it means keeping my family alive, I will resort to it.

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

How can you barter when no one is around? I mean, during Katrina, people were talked about on the news for stealing bread from a bakery that was not attended.

If I could, I would disable a person before using lethal forces. But let's say that you were in a physical position that will not disable a person fully, but were in a position that aims the gun straight to the head, and only have one bullet, where the killer has multiple bullets? I'm not saying that killing is right, and I highly think it is wrong, but if it means keeping my family alive, I will resort to it.

well one of the ten commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill..

but the bible also teaches that you can repent of your sins. the unpardonable sin is the sin of disbelief or chosen ignorance.

would one loaf of bread keep your family alive? i know your reference is full of holes and i'm not going to exploit them. i mean, taking the food without paying for it is definitely not a "christian" thing to do. But what's to stop you from returning later to repay what you've taken? is it then considered theft? i think personal conviction would be outweighed by common sense in most cases and you'd take the food to save your family, but if you were convicted to return later to the shop and pay for what you "stole" then you're on the right track.

does god the fact that YOUR FAMILY is more important than some bum who's gonna kill them? to you, your family is more important than some bum. but would it be fair for God to say "go ahead, kill him, he's just a bum" ? or in the end would the bum get his ultimate "reward" for killing?

and by all means i'd do everything i could to protect my family. the most "christian" thing of all would be to use yourself as a shield to protect your family lol..

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:19 PM

Ah, you make me want to stay. But one last reply.

I really do think it's just their leader then, because like my first post here, their leader said that it was okay that those people were killed because they were not Christians, and would get in the way of God's word. And here I am thinking that killing is one of the worse sins one can do.

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:13 PM

If you guys want to keep discussing, please do so (civilly, I want to keep this thread open). I really have to get going. hahaha. Later Tamago (what's your real name, btw?).

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-24-2009, 06:20 PM

Also, to further explain my self again, I do not think religion is all bad. I mean, what ever gets one closer to God is a good thing. And if you don't believe in God, but believe in another god (or the lack thereof), it's fine by me. Like I said, believe what you believe, they're your beliefs and no one should impose their beliefs onto you.

areithan1980 · 06-24-2009, 06:21 PM

It's all about personal relationship with God through Christ basically before you even get in to more deeper issues like the Bible, "religion" coz really non of those can really change you but you now if u don't believe in God that's a whole different ball game. Once you established a more solid foundation and relationship with Him all these things Bible, God, religion etc. will make more sense to you and I Love My Yaris!!!!!! :P

TinyGiant · 06-24-2009, 06:33 PM

we have women in our churches that preach :) (to reply to the post that never made it up here)

feel free to site some things that you dont agree with and i'd be glad to do some research and try to shed some light on them :)

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-25-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyGiant

we have women in our churches that preach :) (to reply to the post that never made it up here)

feel free to site some things that you dont agree with and i'd be glad to do some research and try to shed some light on them :)

Will do. When ever I have a question during their bible studies, I'll save it and ask you.

TinyGiant · 06-25-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Will do. When ever I have a question during their bible studies, I'll save it and ask you.

sweet i'll do my best to answer them for you :)

i'll give you some questions to ask them too :)

and i'll give you the correct answers to those questions so you can come back with another question. :)

Bob Dog · 06-24-2009, 08:27 PM

Don't walk run, this is not religion within any kind of reasonable social parameter, this is unreasoning rationalization and mind control, more commonly known as a cult. Get her out of forget her.

Tamago · 06-24-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

Don't walk run, this is not religion within any kind of reasonable social parameter, this is unreasoning rationalization and mind control, more commonly known as a cult. Get her out of forget her.

it's not a cult

she just met some creepy people.

Kaotic Lazagna · 06-25-2009, 07:43 PM

Oh, no, I won't ask them questions tho. hahahaha.

06-24-2009, 06:33 PM	#13
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06-24-2009, 06:03 PM	#5
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	On another note, if someone was about to kill your (again, being general here) family, and you had a gun right next to you, would you not use it? Or if there was a major natural disaster, and your family was starving, would you not steal a loaf of bread to keep them alive?

06-24-2009, 06:19 PM	#9
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Ah, you make me want to stay. But one last reply. I really do think it's just their leader then, because like my first post here, their leader said that it was okay that those people were killed because they were not Christians, and would get in the way of God's word. And here I am thinking that killing is one of the worse sins one can do.

06-24-2009, 06:13 PM	#10
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	If you guys want to keep discussing, please do so (civilly, I want to keep this thread open). I really have to get going. hahaha. Later Tamago (what's your real name, btw?).

06-24-2009, 06:20 PM	#11
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Also, to further explain my self again, I do not think religion is all bad. I mean, what ever gets one closer to God is a good thing. And if you don't believe in God, but believe in another god (or the lack thereof), it's fine by me. Like I said, believe what you believe, they're your beliefs and no one should impose their beliefs onto you.

06-24-2009, 06:21 PM	#12
areithan1980 Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Chicago IL 60064 Posts: 66	It's all about personal relationship with God through Christ basically before you even get in to more deeper issues like the Bible, "religion" coz really non of those can really change you but you now if u don't believe in God that's a whole different ball game. Once you established a more solid foundation and relationship with Him all these things Bible, God, religion etc. will make more sense to you and I Love My Yaris!!!!!! :P

06-24-2009, 08:27 PM	#16
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06-25-2009, 07:43 PM	#18
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Oh, no, I won't ask them questions tho. hahahaha.