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derickveliz2 · 01-27-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

You wanna do Live in Paris? I have that on DVD and in the car. That was a great performance!

Got it! I'll listen it tomorrow, will let you know my thoughts!

Thanks

D.

derickveliz2 · 02-01-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

Oh GAWD...
I'm noticing huge frequency gaps on the crossover section on your setup.

Yes, there is a big one... and I can tell you it's the Hifonics Zeus 6.5 driver in the doors. (and a little bit the 10" Bazoka tube)
This is where a not so expensive driver struggles to reproduce frequencies in this case Mid-Bass between 50 Hz and 100 Hz, the door's enclosure doesn't help either. The Zeus are not bad, they sound very good. That's why I had to leave that gap and set the HPF so high (100 Hz), they just can't play lower than that when pushed hard.

That's is why I got the Legatia 6 a 7" mid-bass drivers that would go in kickpanels, not in the doors.

D.

sqcomp · 01-27-2011, 01:26 AM

Oh...he he...probably another difference between the Japanese deck and the American version! Metric baby!

sqcomp · 01-27-2011, 01:37 AM

Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track.

derickveliz2 · 01-27-2011, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track.

I found the artist but can't find the song...

LINK

D.
PS... I get cm and inches! jeje

derickveliz2 · 01-29-2011, 02:34 AM

Ok, so plying with Auto TA & EQ it's been a great experience I've been learning a lot, and thanks to SQcomp imput I've been playing with TA, and now I can move the voice to the center of the stage, and the 7 drums are much better now, the only down side that I'm find out, is Depth... the stage seems very close to where I'm, this could be because of the angle of my mids, but we are learning here, check out the graph for the 7 drums...

D.

derickveliz2 · 01-29-2011, 02:46 AM

About Diana Krall...

I can put her voice in the middle of the stage, right above the HU and the Shift (5 speed).

I'm not an expert in music or instruments but I can tell that the piano is on the right, the drums (cymbals) on the left, with an electric guitar, the bass (instrument) is kind of in the middle/left or everywhere, can't really locate it.

sqcomp · 01-29-2011, 12:39 PM

Okay...now I think is where we play with the T/A. That entire picture needs to move up to the dash now. This has more to do with the actual positioning of the speakers (Path Length Differences). You now have the performance where it should be, in front of you, it's time to move a little bit back. This is why I played with the positioning of my speakers for a week before placing them permanently.

Take a look on Youtube for one of her Live in Paris tracks. The you'll see where the performers sit on stage. That should give you an excellent reference.

I can tell you that my stage is very much like yours Derick yet farther up on the dash, close to where the glass meets with the glass...and up a bit in height.

derickveliz2 · 01-30-2011, 01:25 AM

OK,,.... now I'm understanding the concept... so to bring my stage towards the windshield I need to aim my speakers towards each other, like you did! mmm that's tricky stuff but I'm learning, if that's the case....

The SAGA continues and redoing the mids in the a-pillar is what I'm going to do!

So are these some tricks from the HAT team? or it's been around for a while, we should make a book on how to... like one of those "3 Way Front Stage for Dummies"

Thanks

D.

sqcomp · 01-30-2011, 04:36 AM

D,

None of the placement is from the team...it was all from placement at the shop. I've gained other jewels of knowledge from the team. None of which I will reveal here.

If I was going to use your setup, I'd look at several placements. I would first try the mid on the bottom of the a-pillar aimed across toward the opposite seat headrest. Listen to the IASCA drumbeat track or even better the three voices (Left, Center, and Right) in the IASCA disc. These two will start the imaging and depth process for you.

Let's just start with the mid for right now. Don't even worry about the tweeter yet.

derickveliz2 · 01-31-2011, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

D,

If I was going to use your setup, I'd look at several placements. I would first try the mid on the bottom of the a-pillar aimed across toward the opposite seat headrest. Listen to the IASCA drumbeat track or even better the three voices (Left, Center, and Right) in the IASCA disc. These two will start the imaging and depth process for you.

Let's just start with the mid for right now. Don't even worry about the tweeter yet.

Wait! that is how my Mids are right now!

D.

sickpuppy1 · 01-30-2011, 10:16 AM

Do either one of you gents have airbag curtains in the pillar? what kind of wiring is in the bottom of the pillar to worry about?

derickveliz2 · 01-30-2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickpuppy1

Do either one of you gents have airbag curtains in the pillar? what kind of wiring is in the bottom of the pillar to worry about?

I don't have that problem, no air bags in the a-pillars.

D.

sickpuppy1 · 01-30-2011, 11:52 AM

Stupid airbags! LOL I may mount my tweeter up there with the provided enclosure, just to get away from the OEM speakers for the mean time. The head is movable/ aimable so it would give an idea of placement when I build a permanent enclosure for it.
I've even thought of mounting it on the door, up on that black plastic piece in front , but have been reading all the comments on staging.

sqcomp · 01-30-2011, 12:24 PM

I have the airbag option. The side curtain bags are actually at the top of the door. The bag does come down to the top of the a-pillar enough to be able to knock it out when deploying.

Notice the side in this picture with the headliner down:

sickpuppy1 · 01-30-2011, 01:55 PM

Wow, Thanks SQ, thats a help! Was that taken when deadening the roof? Probably a good idea to undo negative wire to battery like I've heard?

sqcomp · 01-30-2011, 02:41 PM

The map lights and the done light are the only concerns. I didn't undo the battery in my case.

When you ask what was taken, what do you mean? Are you asking what did it take to remove the headliner? As I recall, the most difficult part was the sun visors. Everything else was just a matter of process. Note that there is wiring attached to the headliner with tape, so don't just go all out ripping it down. Be careful.

sickpuppy1 · 01-30-2011, 08:22 PM

I meant when was the picture taken,lol. The roof will be the last for me. First the doors, then the floor, then the trunk area, then the roof. How much does the trunk area quiet the car. I realize it gives better acoustics for a sub. But how much permeates into the cabin?

01-27-2011, 01:26 AM	#3
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Oh...he he...probably another difference between the Japanese deck and the American version! Metric baby! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-27-2011, 01:37 AM	#4
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-29-2011, 02:34 AM	#6
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Ok, so plying with Auto TA & EQ it's been a great experience I've been learning a lot, and thanks to SQcomp imput I've been playing with TA, and now I can move the voice to the center of the stage, and the 7 drums are much better now, the only down side that I'm find out, is Depth... the stage seems very close to where I'm, this could be because of the angle of my mids, but we are learning here, check out the graph for the 7 drums... D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-29-2011, 02:46 AM	#7
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	About Diana Krall... I can put her voice in the middle of the stage, right above the HU and the Shift (5 speed). I'm not an expert in music or instruments but I can tell that the piano is on the right, the drums (cymbals) on the left, with an electric guitar, the bass (instrument) is kind of in the middle/left or everywhere, can't really locate it. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-29-2011, 12:39 PM	#8
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Okay...now I think is where we play with the T/A. That entire picture needs to move up to the dash now. This has more to do with the actual positioning of the speakers (Path Length Differences). You now have the performance where it should be, in front of you, it's time to move a little bit back. This is why I played with the positioning of my speakers for a week before placing them permanently. Take a look on Youtube for one of her Live in Paris tracks. The you'll see where the performers sit on stage. That should give you an excellent reference. I can tell you that my stage is very much like yours Derick yet farther up on the dash, close to where the glass meets with the glass...and up a bit in height. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-30-2011, 01:25 AM	#9
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	OK,,.... now I'm understanding the concept... so to bring my stage towards the windshield I need to aim my speakers towards each other, like you did! mmm that's tricky stuff but I'm learning, if that's the case.... The SAGA continues and redoing the mids in the a-pillar is what I'm going to do! So are these some tricks from the HAT team? or it's been around for a while, we should make a book on how to... like one of those "3 Way Front Stage for Dummies" Thanks D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-30-2011, 04:36 AM	#10
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	D, None of the placement is from the team...it was all from placement at the shop. I've gained other jewels of knowledge from the team. None of which I will reveal here. If I was going to use your setup, I'd look at several placements. I would first try the mid on the bottom of the a-pillar aimed across toward the opposite seat headrest. Listen to the IASCA drumbeat track or even better the three voices (Left, Center, and Right) in the IASCA disc. These two will start the imaging and depth process for you. Let's just start with the mid for right now. Don't even worry about the tweeter yet. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-30-2011, 10:16 AM	#12
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Do either one of you gents have airbag curtains in the pillar? what kind of wiring is in the bottom of the pillar to worry about? __________________

01-30-2011, 11:52 AM	#14
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Stupid airbags! LOL I may mount my tweeter up there with the provided enclosure, just to get away from the OEM speakers for the mean time. The head is movable/ aimable so it would give an idea of placement when I build a permanent enclosure for it. I've even thought of mounting it on the door, up on that black plastic piece in front , but have been reading all the comments on staging. __________________

01-30-2011, 12:24 PM	#15
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I have the airbag option. The side curtain bags are actually at the top of the door. The bag does come down to the top of the a-pillar enough to be able to knock it out when deploying. Notice the side in this picture with the headliner down: __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-30-2011, 01:55 PM	#16
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Wow, Thanks SQ, thats a help! Was that taken when deadening the roof? Probably a good idea to undo negative wire to battery like I've heard? __________________

01-30-2011, 02:41 PM	#17
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	The map lights and the done light are the only concerns. I didn't undo the battery in my case. When you ask what was taken, what do you mean? Are you asking what did it take to remove the headliner? As I recall, the most difficult part was the sun visors. Everything else was just a matter of process. Note that there is wiring attached to the headliner with tape, so don't just go all out ripping it down. Be careful. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-30-2011, 08:22 PM	#18
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	I meant when was the picture taken,lol. The roof will be the last for me. First the doors, then the floor, then the trunk area, then the roof. How much does the trunk area quiet the car. I realize it gives better acoustics for a sub. But how much permeates into the cabin? __________________

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