Federal Govt. expecting shutdown on APRIL 9TH

[SilverBack]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

If we had that mentality during WWII the east coast would be talking German & the west coast would be talking Japanese. The most powerful tool we have is our vote.

Judging by the way things were back then, I would think people actually wanted to vote because changes did seem to happen quicker as a result. And also your reference is about official wars between countries (not "US vs. Insert-terrorist's-name-here") that happened which happen to boost our economy by the end. What we have nowadays is expensive jokes we threw all our money away in Iraq and Afghanistan, while we struggling workers and students at home still try to scrape-by (my tuition just increased, but yet classes have been cut this semester). Long story short, politics these days is complete garbage and as I implied before I never plan on voting again. Period.

[Freedan]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Give that a look see and you'll realize that 38 billion in "cuts" is nothing. The Deficit for this year is over 1.7 Trillion and everyone is fighting over 38 billion. Does that make sense to anyone here?

If you took home 2k a month and spends 3k every month, how long can you last by cutting back 38 bucks?

[TRDMarty]

I wish the government would have shut down for at least 1 day.
For the 1 day they wouldn't have been able to spend any more money!!

[JumpmanYaris]

Originally Posted by TRDMarty

I wish the government would have shut down for at least 1 day.
For the 1 day they wouldn't have been able to spend any more money!!

What type of work you do? You must not have a gov. job

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by JumpmanYaris

What type of work you do? You must not have a gov. job

Hey Jump, FYI: Did you know that the only sector in the US that is not in a recession & is hiring instead of firing people is the US government? Do you know why? Cause the government is not run like a business. Only a government entity can loose money year after year (Like the USPS which lost $8.5 billion last year) and stays open. If they did you would most likely be part of the 9% of american that are unemployed. As the private sector is suffering the public sector is flourishing.

[Shinare]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

... As the private sector is suffering the public sector is flourishing.

I guess you failed to read the post directly before you own.

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by Shinare

I guess you failed to read the post directly before you own.

I did read what you post. But what you seem not to understand the difference between a "furlough" (temporary layoff from work, unpaid) & getting fired (permanent layoff from work, unpaid). Why should government workers not suffer the same fate as private sector workers? Why does the government not run like a business? The answer comes down to votes! You are not going to vote out of office the person who keeps you employed even though they are destroying the private sector.....

[DevilGirl]

Originally Posted by TRDMarty

I wish the government would have shut down for at least 1 day.
For the 1 day they wouldn't have been able to spend any more money!!

Originally Posted by JumpmanYaris

What type of work you do? You must not have a gov. job

For the govt to shut down, it would actually cost more money.

In a govt shutdown, there are quite a lot of agencies that are still running and the employees still have to report to work, but not get paid, and that's because they are "essential," such as making sure SSA recipients get their paychecks, which in most cases is their sole source of income, and not that great to begin with.

My job is one of those. Which means I would still need to commute the 2.5 hours each way, an hour of which is driving. So there's gas to put in my car, tolls to pay for, a train ticket to pay for. All for what? To not get paid?

Then of course, take into consideration all the support staff (contractors) that are needed to keep the building open for us employees to work that aren't getting paid. The cost of electricity to run the building for those shutdown days, etc.

So in reality, a shutdown is the last thing you want to have happen.

[JumpmanYaris]

You mean to tell me you still have to do what you normaly do with out the pay

F^$# this man I rather go work in a strip club, Ill get a kick out of that and still get money lol

[Shinare]

Originally Posted by TRDMarty

I wish the government would have shut down for at least 1 day.
For the 1 day they wouldn't have been able to spend any more money!!

I work for a state agency and unfortunately we are already doing that, its called a "furlough" (temporary layoff from work, unpaid).

[frownonfun]

i think the private sector is doing a pretty good job of destroying itself at this point. but if blaming the government for everything gives you your few minutes of hate then by all means, go for it.

[Shinare]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

I did read what you post. But what you seem not to understand the difference between a "furlough" (temporary layoff from work, unpaid) & getting fired (permanent layoff from work, unpaid). Why should government workers not suffer the same fate as private sector workers? Why does the government not run like a business? The answer comes down to votes! You are not going to vote out of office the person who keeps you employed even though they are destroying the private sector.....

I take it then you are employed by a public agency? Seeing as how you know so much about it. My personal experience is that our small agency has FIRED PERMANENTLY people that we need and "retired" others in the past 3 years. In order to stem off any more losses the rest of us have to furlough every month so that we all can at least have a job.

You may think you understand how a public entity works, but you are mistaken. We all have a budget, and that budget is based on tax income. Because tax revenue is in the toilet (due to lower work force and more saving), our budgets have gotten cut back %10-%15 CUMULATIVE every year for the past 3 years. When we were barely squeaking by to begin with, it doesn't take a math genius to tell where you are going to cut your budget. Payroll is the only place you can make a dent of that magnitude. There's only so many paperclips and staples you can do without.

So tell me again, your theory on how public institutions are not affected by this recession?

[cdydjded]

Originally Posted by Shinare

I take it then you are employed by a public agency? Seeing as how you know so much about it. My personal experience is that our small agency has FIRED PERMANENTLY people that we need and "retired" others in the past 3 years. In order to stem off any more losses the rest of us have to furlough every month so that we all can at least have a job.

You may think you understand how a public entity works, but you are mistaken. We all have a budget, and that budget is based on tax income. Because tax revenue is in the toilet (due to lower work force and more saving), our budgets have gotten cut back %10-%15 CUMULATIVE every year for the past 3 years. When we were barely squeaking by to begin with, it doesn't take a math genius to tell where you are going to cut your budget. Payroll is the only place you can make a dent of that magnitude. There's only so many paperclips and staples you can do without.

So tell me again, your theory on how public institutions are not affected by this recession?

Your state is $17,254,404,041 in debt (http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/...a_state_budget). You are # 2 in the nation. California is # 1. Yes you state has a budget & it clearly based on the amount of debt it is in means absolutely nothing. Im a small business owner. My budget is met every month or bills dont get paid & my employees go home with out a paycheck. You state budget get blown out of the water & either it raises taxes or borrows more money it cannot repay. Reasons are many why you were "barely squeaking by". Things like pensions which are unsustainable & out of control wages. Example:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

[Shinare]

Originally Posted by cdydjded

Your state is $17,254,404,041 in debt (http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/...a_state_budget). You are # 2 in the nation. California is # 1. Yes you state has a budget & it clearly based on the amount of debt it is in means absolutely nothing. Im a small business owner. My budget is met every month or bills dont get paid & my employees go home with out a paycheck. You state budget get blown out of the water & either it raises taxes or borrows more money it cannot repay. Reasons are many why you were "barely squeaking by". Things like pensions which are unsustainable & out of control wages. Example:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

*sigh* I guess I don't understand what you are trying to argue. You stated that govt. jobs are not affected by the recession. I've given you specific examples of how they are including the laying off of people where I work due to not having the funding due to the recession as well as furloughs for the rest of us. *shrug* Believe what you want but govt jobs are not the golden parachute you seem to think they are.

[STC]

I want to know 'who' makes all this money?

What is the end cost to 'you' no matter what your belief is: private or public sector? You know in the end we (lower and middle income class) have to pay for it in terms of a hidden inflationary tax when 'who' prints the excess of dollar bills in our economy and world economy. 'Who' is leveraging this on our poor souls? 'Who' is creating this modern serdom? The 'who' is not public or private.. it is the system of monetary control.

Cheers!

[frownonfun]

the fact of the matter is shinare and others like him/her who are just going to work trying to earn a living aren't the ones who are the problem here. don't see what good can come out of demonizing gov employees. nor is there much good in trying to demonize those in the private sector. we are all worker bees fighting amongst ourselves when we should be fighting those who get us into these types of situations. the people on the top who own every thing and those in the government who enable them to do so. the country and it's states are in debt because somewhere, someplace, a select few are raking it all in. there's a recession alright, among the working class. But don't be fooled into thinking it goes any further than that.

then again i've been drinking so what do i know.

[STC]

Originally Posted by frownonfun

the fact of the matter is shinare and others like him/her who are just going to work trying to earn a living aren't the ones who are the problem here. don't see what good can come out of demonizing gov employees. nor is there much good in trying to demonize those in the private sector. we are all worker bees fighting amongst ourselves when we should be fighting those who get us into these types of situations. the people on the top who own every thing and those in the government who enable them to do so. the country and it's states are in debt because somewhere, someplace, a select few are raking it all in. there's a recession alright, among the working class. But don't be fooled into thinking it goes any further than that.

then again i've been drinking so what do i know.

Exactly... it is those who control the medium of exhange and the monetary rates that are getting us into these types of situations. Your last sentence I have to disagree. You actually know more than you think.

Cheers!

[cdydjded]

Im glad that this has been a civil debate without insults.Its rare that a political conversation doesnt end with "you are an asshole". My point is this, yes we are all worker bees, yes there has been some layoffs from both sectors. But I find it amazing the following:
the majority of layoff are in the private sector
the majority of hiring is happening in the public sector
public sector employee expects a raise every year
public sector employee expects a pension

We, the USA have a spending problem. Here is a fact, the President want a cradle to grave society, which means the government is that answer to everything. Here is another fact, in 2001 the budget for the government was $1.8 trillion, it is $4.8 Trillion today. Thats a $3 trillon difference. What has that $3 TRILLION given us? Are kids smarter? Are schools better? Are we healthier? Is the air cleaner? Are we safer? Are we more prosperous? If you answered yes to any of my question, well lets just say you dont have a grasp on what really going. The answer is no to all my questions

So how can a bigger government be in any way better? It cant, period. Government has a place, Im not saying it should be completely shut down. Im just saying limited government is all we need. And right now its moving in the unlimited direction.....