Look Out Toyota, Here Comes The Good Enough Chinese Car

[*MAD DOG*]

Originally Posted by TPA5

I'll chance it with off-brand breakfast cereal and socks, but I gotta say I'd feel less comfortable with off-brand cars that hurtle me down the pavement at 100km/h. Because really I'd prefer to not have pieces of my vehicle tear off in a high-wind while my brakes disintegrate because they're made from rice paper and the tears of small children.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by TPA5

I'll chance it with off-brand breakfast cereal and socks, but I gotta say I'd feel less comfortable with off-brand cars that hurtle me down the pavement at 100km/h. Because really I'd prefer to not have pieces of my vehicle tear off in a high-wind while my brakes disintegrate because they're made from rice paper and the tears of small children.

^^^^^ This. Plus the asbestos issue. Ugh. I guess a more accurate way to refer to myself would be frugal, rather than cheap. One Aussie member referred to the 'cheap arses' in his country who buy some of the Chinese cars. I would pay more just to be asbestos free (as in not purchasing a car from a Chinese manufacturer).

[nookandcrannycar]

On the Bloomberg scrolling ticker this morning - 'China will have a global automaker within 10 years'

[bronsin]

That certainly is a possibility.

But I have to change my position here. I doubt very much we will see truly cheap cars from China here. Cars in the US are EXPENSIVE. Read PROFITS. China will want to take advantage of that.

[junorico24]

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...t_drive_review

DRIVING

Here’s the most surprising part: the Chery J3 actually drives quite well. In fact, I’d venture to say it feels like the most complete Chinese car I’ve driven to date. That’s not damning it with faint praise, but it does come with a few qualifications. The 1.6-litre is a little breathless and needs to be revved to really get moving. And although the engine itself is quite smooth and refined, Chery is yet to master the craft of noise deadening, so you hear more of the engine’s goings-on that you do in other cars.

MPG is a bit dissapointing.

[why?]

it seems like people do not know Daihatsu is fully owned by Toyota, well by Japanese standards, which means Toyota owns 51%.

look what the koreans did in twenty years? The original hyundai excel was a piece of garbage, and now they are making cars that are actually desirable.

The Chinese car makers have a gigantic advantage since they can steal all the plans and info from non-chinese brands that choose to do business in china.

And while the qc is probably horrific, if you price a car 3 or 4 grand below the least expensive car in a market, they will sell. Just look at Yugo.

Oh, and people don't want air bags, abs, or nannies. They are all required by law. Air bags are not safe. They do prevent deaths, and that is proven, yet they also cause horrific injury to anyone who isn't the perfect 6'2" and 180 lbs. This cannot be disputed.

If you believe we live in a free society, people should be allowed to choose for themselves if they want an airbag or not. The crash stats are easy to find. People can choose for themselves whether having an explosive device that could save their lives, or injure them horribly is a good idea or not.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

it seems like people do not know Daihatsu is fully owned by Toyota, well by Japanese standards, which means Toyota owns 51%.

I do. I brought it up on a thread last year.

look what the koreans did in twenty years? The original hyundai excel was a piece of garbage, and now they are making cars that are actually desirable.

I agree

The Chinese car makers have a gigantic advantage since they can steal all the plans and info from non-chinese brands that choose to do business in china.

I strongly agree

And while the qc is probably horrific, if you price a car 3 or 4 grand below the least expensive car in a market, they will sell. Just look at Yugo.

I agree

Oh, and people don't want air bags, abs, or nannies. They are all required by law. Air bags are not safe. They do prevent deaths, and that is proven, yet they also cause horrific injury to anyone who isn't the perfect 6'2" and 180 lbs. This cannot be disputed.

I agree. The way you put this made me LOL. For some reason I find the thought of a serious company trying to make a crash test dummy that looks like the 'average American' rather than 'Ken' hilarious.

If you believe we live in a free society, people should be allowed to choose for themselves if they want an airbag or not. The crash stats are easy to find. People can choose for themselves whether having an explosive device that could save their lives, or injure them horribly is a good idea or not.

I agree, but I don't think this is a popular view (which I'm sure has already occurred to you).

[why?]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

I agree, but I don't think this is a popular view (which I'm sure has already occurred to you).

Oh it has. I am used to being totally alone in my viewpoints. It hasn't stopped me yet.

You'd think Toyota would have imported Daihatsu to the US instead of faking a brand and naming it Scion.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by why?

Oh it has. I am used to being totally alone in my viewpoints. It hasn't stopped me yet.

You'd think Toyota would have imported Daihatsu to the US instead of faking a brand and naming it Scion.

LOL. I'm in touch with that mindset. One of my cousins (the mom of my little cousin who inspired my Yarisworld screen name) is a 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' type and she often rolls her eyes re the way I look at certain things. I also have attorney relatives who have tried to 'debate me off my opinion perch' re a couple of specific issues, but have yet to succeed.

I wish that for the 2013 model year the USDM effectively (like Europe) had a 2nd Gen and a 3rd Gen Yaris on sale at the same time.

[why?]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

LOL. I'm in touch with that mindset. One of my cousins (the mom of my little cousin who inspired my Yarisworld screen name) is a 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' type and she often rolls her eyes re the way I look at certain things. I also have attorney relatives who have tried to 'debate me off my opinion perch' re a couple of specific issues, but have yet to succeed.

I wish that for the 2013 model year the USDM effectively (like Europe) had a 2nd Gen and a 3rd Gen Yaris on sale at the same time.

I have a tendency to tell people like that,"if there are too many people who think like you do, your thoughts are probably flat out wrong."

It especially becomes obvious when people take opinions that are not thought out at all, or barely thought out. And when you point this out, with examples ad naseum, they still won't change their mind.

it is why we are all heading for a whole world of trouble.

It will be interesting to see if these chinese cars can succeed in Australia. I do hope so. If anything, i hope they keep prices down.

[junorico24]

Originally Posted by why?

it seems like people do not know Daihatsu is fully owned by Toyota, well by Japanese standards, which means Toyota owns 51%.
.

I agree..

[junorico24]

The aggregate production of cars worldwide, including the production of Daihatsu Motor Co. and Hino Motors Ltd., is expected to exceed 10 million units

http://www.profi-forex.us/news/entry4000004500.html




Toyota knows the talent and potential of Daihatsu in building pocket rockets.

[bronsin]

Pretty much the car companies to surveys to tell them what people want.

Thats what they build.

If they build it people want it, as a rule of thumb.

Which is why I dont get what I want.

[junorico24]

GEELY is only sold in Western Australia in Perth not nation wide as of yet.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by junorico24

GEELY is only sold in Western Australia in Perth not nation wide as of yet.

The headlights and grill (in the top pic) make the front of the car look like the face of 'Mr. Bill' (1970s and 1980s Saturday Night Live + movie) .

[edmscan]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

The headlights and grill (in the top pic) make the front of the car look like the face of 'Mr. Bill' (1970s and 1980s Saturday Night Live + movie) .

All I know .. is that is one funny looking ugly car.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by edmscan

All I know .. is that is one funny looking ugly car.

But you haven't seen the other sides .