finally found the 5w-20 TSB... - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

jamal1984 · 05-17-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjonesey

What?! you didnt get the e-paper manual? all you have to do is take your manual to the dealership and get the new auto updating manual that keeps up with toyota's changes on-the-fly

No i dind't receive nothing from them.

drifto · 05-17-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jamal1984

the only thing i am really don't understand that is if 5w-20 and 0w-20 is really good for our engine then why don't they listed in our manual but instead of 5w-30?

TSB's are the most current info for our car supplied by toyota. sometimes the manufacturer may find something that is better for or car or fixes a common problem in our car. things are constantly updated due to common customer complaints etc. the TSB's are the most up to date information so they superceed any info in our owners manuals. the techs use them everyday to repair and service our cars. thus any info in the owners manual can be updated at any time. dealerships usually make the updates automatically when you bring your car in for service. sometimes you have to ask though...

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Originally Posted by sambo42xa

(2 post before me....) Read the TSB where it shows/says at the bottom, "oil recommended for these engines". If Your engine code falls in the list, then I do not see a problem using the 0-20 from what I understand after reading static808 TSB.
I will look at my "code" and if it is in the list I will try the 0-20 weight on my next oil change.
static808, I'm curious on the warranty part. There is nothing there. Does this mean NO WARRANTY if you use/change over to the 0-20??
Also, how did you obtain this TSB; something You found online; work for TOYOTA???

th
sambo42xa
Southern, NH

there is no warranty info b/c its only updating the grade of oil used during an oil change at the dealership. oil changes are not warranteed. if it were say a defective radio unit. then you would see warrantee information explaining that a new unit is under warrantee etc. hope this helps explain things a little.

PetersRedYaris · 05-18-2007, 01:45 AM

If the TSB say's 5w-20, use 5w-20. You guy's are willing to use 0w-20 in it's place because AMSoil doesn't have a 5w-20? Switch brands!!! Follow the CAR manufacturers recommendation, not the oils. I know it probably makes no difference, but neither does using AMSoil over Mobil 1. They are equally good, but one comes in the recommended weight.

sambo42xa · 05-18-2007, 01:07 PM

jlift · 05-18-2007, 01:16 PM

Just ordered one gallon plus two quarts and an oil filter. Amsoil 0-20 100% synthetic and amsoil oil filter for the Yaris. This weight oil is a new product for them (amsoil.com) . ABout $25 a gallon and $6.25 a quart and $14 for the filter. Currently running Castrol full synthetic (not really 100% synthetic, though) Also ordered the Fujimoto drain valve. Will change all at 5,000 miles. Car only has <2,000 now.

spockmay · 10-14-2009, 08:03 PM

Howdy, I just bought a 2010 Yaris and the owner's manual says to use 5W-30. As the TSB was 3 years ago now, I'd have thought that they'd update the owner's guide. Should we be using the 5W-30 or 5W-20?

AlexNet0 · 10-14-2009, 08:57 PM

If you're manual states 5w-30 and it has a newer publication date than the TSB, then you should follow your manual.

mikenacarato · 10-15-2009, 12:25 AM

it doesnt seem like people here understand that the 1nzfe motor is NOT on the 0w20 list...it is on the 5w20 list. so from what i take on this tsb it is NOT ok to use 0w20 in the yaris.

newhavenpatriot · 10-23-2009, 03:05 PM

Hey all,

I don't post here regularly, but I wanted to share an email communication I had with a Toyota Customer Service representative regarding the EG018-06 bulletin. Below are both the email I sent and the email I received back. Looks like it is A-OK to use 5W-20 in the Yaris.

Subject
Toyota Service Bulletin EG018-06

Customer (Joshua Smith) 10/16/2009 08:42 PM

Greetings,

I have a question regarding the correct oil type to use in a 2007 Yaris Hatchback. Unless I'm mistaken, my car has a 1NZ-FE engine, which is listed in the Toyota Service Bulletin EG018-06 as an engine that can use 5W-20 oil. My oil cap and manual both say 5W-30 is recommended, but in the service bulletin, Toyota says that 5W-20 may be used -- and a direct quote from the service bulletin states the following: "This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance." Please let me know if 5W-20 is safe to use, and if it is not, I'd like to know why. I'd prefer to use 5W-20 for the better fuel economy and cold weather starting performance, as my car sometimes hesitates to turn on when it's very cold out.

There are a lot of people who have discussed/debated the EG018-06 issue on online message boards and none of us can come up with a solid answer. I'd like to get an official response from Toyota and put this to rest. Please also include a list of which specific Yaris models/years (broken down by VIN# range or some similar method) this covers so I can give some people a definitive answer for their Yarises. Thanks very much in advance for your time and effort.

Regards,
Joshua Smith

Response (RTou) 10/22/2009 08:00 AM

Dear Mr. Smith,

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales.

We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your inquiry.

Toyota recommends the use of ILSAC multigrade, 5W-30 Toyota Genuine Motor Oil or equivalent for the 2007 Yaris. Toyota also recommends, due to its superiority in terms of fuel efficiency, engine protection, and cold starting performance, the use ILSAC GF-4 SAE 5W-20 engine oil for the 2007 Yaris (no specified VIN range).

Thank you again for contacting Toyota.

If we can answer any further questions, please feel free to http://www.toyota.com/help/contactus.html.

Renee Toussaint
Toyota Customer Experience

bronsin · 10-23-2009, 03:30 PM

How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

R2D2 · 10-24-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

It won't end at 20wt, of that I am certain. I'm quite sure 0W-10 would work well in a lot of current engines out there-but it's not recommended or even obtainable very easily. Lubrication technology is evolving quickly right now-nano technology and biobased products to name a couple-and making thinner oils possible that increase efficiency and lower wear.

Your post above highlights the fact the SAE method of classifying oil viscosity is rediculous! It is antiquated and confusing to most-time for a revamp in my opinion. But yes thinner oils are coming!

R2

1stToyota · 10-24-2009, 05:06 PM

Well, when they get here I think that'll be the day I opt for a German sedan w/ a nice turbo diesel that won't want oil the consistency of kerosene in their expensive motor.

craigq · 10-24-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R2D2

I'm quite sure 0W-10 would work well in a lot of current engines out there-but it's not recommended or even obtainable very easily.
R2

Get a hold of a Redline dealer

Redline 0W10 oil

Disclaimer: it's not recommended by Toyota, will void warranty, meant for racing, yadda yadda yadda...

R2D2 · 10-23-2009, 10:14 PM

Newhavenpatriot,

Bless you for taking the time to post this and enlighten us! I contacted Toyota about the same via phone (as well as my dealer) and they had no idea what I was talking about. This is what I always felt was intended by the bulletin, but up until now have had no proof. I made the decision to use 20 wt anyway, but it's nice to know it's ok! Thanks again!

R2

newhavenpatriot · 10-27-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Newhavenpatriot,

Bless you for taking the time to post this and enlighten us! I contacted Toyota about the same via phone (as well as my dealer) and they had no idea what I was talking about. This is what I always felt was intended by the bulletin, but up until now have had no proof. I made the decision to use 20 wt anyway, but it's nice to know it's ok! Thanks again!

R2

Any time, R2. I had just searched about this issue a couple weeks ago, and I couldn't find a definitive answer. Though, I did find this thread, which prompted me to go right to the source and get an answer. Once I got an official statement from Toyota, I felt compelled to post back here where I had found the info regarding the TSB in the first place. BTW, I usually hang out on the forums at ecomodder.com with the same name, since it's more geared towards fuel efficiency and such. That's why I don't really post here.. I'm mainly a scavenger of information on this board.

R2D2 · 10-24-2009, 11:11 PM

I just found out about the Redline 0W-10 the other day-Royal Purple makes some too. Last I found it though it was like $14 a quart shipped. How much does the Redline go for? Thanks!

R2

craigq · 10-24-2009, 11:59 PM

Hey R2. It goes for 12.95 a quart on their website before shipping. Interesting oil, not sure about engine longevity as it's application seems to be for racing engines

It's possible one day 10 weights will be specified...

R2D2 · 10-25-2009, 03:34 AM

Thanks Craig! When 0W-10 goes mainstream the price will come down :)

1st,
Where's the love-thin is in! When the 20's went mainstream circa 2k many (including myself) cried foul. How dare they sacrifice longevity to help CAFE scores?! Guess what-they worked great!

The Euros are lagging a little behind but are heading in this direction also. The TDI is running 5W-30 now!

Here's a little light reading about viscosity
: http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpos...=363921&post=7

Check out Dr Haas Lambo UOA on BITOG with 0W-20 and G Allen's 4.0 Jeep on 0W-10!

05-18-2007, 01:07 PM	#4
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10-14-2009, 08:57 PM	#7
AlexNet0 View User's Garage Drives: '07 Yaris 3dr Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rockland, ME Posts: 1,638	If you're manual states 5w-30 and it has a newer publication date than the TSB, then you should follow your manual. __________________ ---------- MI-YW ----------

10-24-2009, 05:06 PM	#12
1stToyota Drives: 2013 Chevy Spark 1LT 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,185	Well, when they get here I think that'll be the day I opt for a German sedan w/ a nice turbo diesel that won't want oil the consistency of kerosene in their expensive motor. __________________ 1997 Lincoln Town Car - *SOLD* 2008 Scion xD (w/ automatic) - SOLD 2008 Yaris HB - SOLD

10-23-2009, 10:14 PM	#14
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	Newhavenpatriot, Bless you for taking the time to post this and enlighten us! I contacted Toyota about the same via phone (as well as my dealer) and they had no idea what I was talking about. This is what I always felt was intended by the bulletin, but up until now have had no proof. I made the decision to use 20 wt anyway, but it's nice to know it's ok! Thanks again! R2 __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One

10-24-2009, 11:11 PM	#16
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	I just found out about the Redline 0W-10 the other day-Royal Purple makes some too. Last I found it though it was like $14 a quart shipped. How much does the Redline go for? Thanks! R2 __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One

05-18-2007, 01:45 AM	#3
PetersRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2005 Scion xB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 1,059	If the TSB say's 5w-20, use 5w-20. You guy's are willing to use 0w-20 in it's place because AMSoil doesn't have a 5w-20? Switch brands!!! Follow the CAR manufacturers recommendation, not the oils. I know it probably makes no difference, but neither does using AMSoil over Mobil 1. They are equally good, but one comes in the recommended weight.

05-18-2007, 01:16 PM	#5
jlift Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatch Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 54	Just ordered one gallon plus two quarts and an oil filter. Amsoil 0-20 100% synthetic and amsoil oil filter for the Yaris. This weight oil is a new product for them (amsoil.com) . ABout $25 a gallon and $6.25 a quart and $14 for the filter. Currently running Castrol full synthetic (not really 100% synthetic, though) Also ordered the Fujimoto drain valve. Will change all at 5,000 miles. Car only has <2,000 now.

10-14-2009, 08:03 PM	#6
spockmay Drives: 2010 Yaris 3Dr LB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 5	Howdy, I just bought a 2010 Yaris and the owner's manual says to use 5W-30. As the TSB was 3 years ago now, I'd have thought that they'd update the owner's guide. Should we be using the 5W-30 or 5W-20?

10-15-2009, 12:25 AM	#8
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	it doesnt seem like people here understand that the 1nzfe motor is NOT on the 0w20 list...it is on the 5w20 list. so from what i take on this tsb it is NOT ok to use 0w20 in the yaris.

10-23-2009, 03:05 PM	#9
newhavenpatriot Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback (auto.) Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3	Hey all, I don't post here regularly, but I wanted to share an email communication I had with a Toyota Customer Service representative regarding the EG018-06 bulletin. Below are both the email I sent and the email I received back. Looks like it is A-OK to use 5W-20 in the Yaris. Subject Toyota Service Bulletin EG018-06 Customer (Joshua Smith) 10/16/2009 08:42 PM Greetings, I have a question regarding the correct oil type to use in a 2007 Yaris Hatchback. Unless I'm mistaken, my car has a 1NZ-FE engine, which is listed in the Toyota Service Bulletin EG018-06 as an engine that can use 5W-20 oil. My oil cap and manual both say 5W-30 is recommended, but in the service bulletin, Toyota says that 5W-20 may be used -- and a direct quote from the service bulletin states the following: "This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance." Please let me know if 5W-20 is safe to use, and if it is not, I'd like to know why. I'd prefer to use 5W-20 for the better fuel economy and cold weather starting performance, as my car sometimes hesitates to turn on when it's very cold out. There are a lot of people who have discussed/debated the EG018-06 issue on online message boards and none of us can come up with a solid answer. I'd like to get an official response from Toyota and put this to rest. Please also include a list of which specific Yaris models/years (broken down by VIN# range or some similar method) this covers so I can give some people a definitive answer for their Yarises. Thanks very much in advance for your time and effort. Regards, Joshua Smith Response (RTou) 10/22/2009 08:00 AM Dear Mr. Smith, Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales. We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your inquiry. Toyota recommends the use of ILSAC multigrade, 5W-30 Toyota Genuine Motor Oil or equivalent for the 2007 Yaris. Toyota also recommends, due to its superiority in terms of fuel efficiency, engine protection, and cold starting performance, the use ILSAC GF-4 SAE 5W-20 engine oil for the 2007 Yaris (no specified VIN range). Thank you again for contacting Toyota. If we can answer any further questions, please feel free to http://www.toyota.com/help/contactus.html. Renee Toussaint Toyota Customer Experience

10-23-2009, 03:30 PM	#10
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	How long until people feel the need for 0W-0 oil? or even, -5w-0 oil?

10-24-2009, 11:59 PM	#17
craigq Drives: '07 Yaris, '12 GLI Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 100	Hey R2. It goes for 12.95 a quart on their website before shipping. Interesting oil, not sure about engine longevity as it's application seems to be for racing engines It's possible one day 10 weights will be specified...

10-25-2009, 03:34 AM	#18
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	Thanks Craig! When 0W-10 goes mainstream the price will come down :) 1st, Where's the love-thin is in! When the 20's went mainstream circa 2k many (including myself) cried foul. How dare they sacrifice longevity to help CAFE scores?! Guess what-they worked great! The Euros are lagging a little behind but are heading in this direction also. The TDI is running 5W-30 now! Here's a little light reading about viscosity : http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpos...=363921&post=7 Check out Dr Haas Lambo UOA on BITOG with 0W-20 and G Allen's 4.0 Jeep on 0W-10! __________________ "The howl was the sound of God’s casting pot, the morphing of my cells into shape, the forming of oceans out of molten premordial plasma. And I could feel it. I could cry for it. I could cry with it." -The Fitful One Last edited by R2D2; 10-25-2009 at 04:35 AM. Reason: Addition

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