The open political discussion thread. Read the first post!

[PaidTimeOff]

Originally Posted by JBougie

You have no reason to argue the subject after admitting that you didn't read it, and that you will just take the word of someone else.

You should run for congress - they seem to do the same thing.

Did you read it? No. Are you still arguing about it? Yes. FFS stop being a hypocrite. I pay taxes as well as you (probably) do, so I can argue anything I want. And while we're on the subject, I didn't even argue this way or that. All I did was provide a RESOURCE, and you're getting all huffy and puffy because you think the resource doesn't support your (I guess we can assume FALSE) claims.

Well I've got news for you, that website is not affiliated with any side. They have proven this on multiple occasions by correcting falsehoods perpetrated by liberals, republicans, or any other political ideology that has established itself.

You're not getting anywhere by telling me I should run for congress in a snarky way. This is one step short of blatant name-calling. Grow up and stick to the issues.

[ChinoCharles]

Good stuff!

[mo_feezy]

thank you. unfortunately, evidence only seems to make convictions firmer for a small segment of our society, especially when the evidence contradicts them.

[Altitude]

For those of you that listen to or watch Glenn Beck... you owe it to yourselves to watch this. http://www.indecisionforever.com/200...are-hypocrisy/

Don't ever again believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

[Malaya1221]

schooled!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVlZE...eature=related

[TLyttle]

Hahaa! No comment on the 180, one doesn't have to be Quebecer or any other nationality to pull that...

Please show me ANY country that has a perfect anything, never mind something as complicated as a medical system. Of course Canada doesn't have a perfect system, but according to my own personal experiences and direct information, Canada's system is far better than the US. I have yet to experience the European systems, but according to stats, they, too, are miles ahead of the US. Why is it that no one able to look at these stats from an objective point of view? Why is it that Americans fear any kind of social program in case it is seen as small-c communism?? They are surrounded by small-c communism in their every day life, but don't even recognise it as such? They are faced with the least effective, most expensive medical system in the free world, and cannot see a better way? Seems apparent that the middle men are winning their PR battle, selling a load of rubbish to Americans. The rich get richer (HMOs, Pharmas, etc) and the poor die on the streets: nice plan...

[2+2]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Hahaa! No comment on the 180, one doesn't have to be Quebecer or any other nationality to pull that...

Please show me ANY country that has a perfect anything, never mind something as complicated as a medical system. Of course Canada doesn't have a perfect system, but according to my own personal experiences and direct information, Canada's system is far better than the US. I have yet to experience the European systems, but according to stats, they, too, are miles ahead of the US. Why is it that no one able to look at these stats from an objective point of view? Why is it that Americans fear any kind of social program in case it is seen as small-c communism?? They are surrounded by small-c communism in their every day life, but don't even recognise it as such? They are faced with the least effective, most expensive medical system in the free world, and cannot see a better way? Seems apparent that the middle men are winning their PR battle, selling a load of rubbish to Americans. The rich get richer (HMOs, Pharmas, etc) and the poor die on the streets: nice plan...

Very well put. The ruling class in the US has a real talent for pushing the buttons of the working classes and getting them to do their bidding. The S-word seems to work every time. I simply love watching the strings being pulled when they call the party that tries to look out for the poor - the "elite". Also, they seem to have a knack for word-smithing. I'm awed by how they renamed the "estate tax" to the "death tax". The guy that made that one up is probably still giggling to himself.

[Kal-El]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXrSK_VfME

It's amazing how many people are falling for Obama's deception.

Here he is on tape on numerous occasions talking about how this step that they are pushing right now (for a "public option") is just a bridge to what they ultimately want - total single payer government control which is inevitable.

He openly admitted that the transition would take some time but gradual steps would lead to single payer which he DOES want regardless of the rhetoric he's currently spewing.

Since when does a monopoly decrease costs and improve quality and service?

I've never seen it.

[2+2]

And right under the youtube "screen" there's "This is a video response to Alleged Barack Obama Kenya Birth Certificate Document Displayed" LOL Sorry - cheap shot but I couldn't resist. If you watch that with due skepticism you'll notice that the single payer quotes were from a long time ago. He's quite open about the fact that he now considers it unfeasible due to how entrenched the insurance companies and others are.

What do Republicans have against this man? He seems like a good guy. He seems to have an ok wife and a couple of cool kids. He's smart. He seems to want to do what's best for all Americans and not just the rich and what a nice change that is. What's wrong?

[JBougie]

Originally Posted by 2+2

And right under the youtube "screen" there's "This is a video response to Alleged Barack Obama Kenya Birth Certificate Document Displayed" LOL Sorry - cheap shot but I couldn't resist. If you watch that with due skepticism you'll notice that the single payer quotes were from a long time ago. He's quite open about the fact that he now considers it unfeasible due to how entrenched the insurance companies and others are.

What do Republicans have against this man? He seems like a good guy. He seems to have an ok wife and a couple of cool kids. He's smart. He seems to want to do what's best for all Americans and not just the rich and what a nice change that is. What's wrong?

I like his wife, and his daughters are adorable and I like the oldest one ... she seems to have the potential to be a very great example of a strong woman when she gets older. He seems like he'd be a cool ass dude to kick back and have a beer with - I just don't agree with his ideology. But, I can't even name on both hands all of the close friends and family I have that I would kill for but don't see eye to eye with when it comes to politics.

And, I don't know anyone who buys that crock of shit 'he's not an American!' - it's the crazy conspiracy theorists who sit back and think of these things while tin-foiling their windows to block out the CIA brainwashing rays from entering their houses that think of this stuff, I'm pretty sure. Anyone with .03% of a brain knows that the administration and the GOP would have absolutely blown this guy out of the water if he truly wasn't a US Citizen, I have been annoyed with that since the allegations first came out. I LOL'd in line at the grocery store yesterday as the headline of Globe or whatever that completely made-up 'news'paper is when I looked and the cover had a picture of some birth certificate and said 'OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FAKE! PROOF INSIDE!' or something to that .... it was the dumbest thing I had seen in a long time.

[mo_feezy]

Originally Posted by JBougie

And, I don't know anyone who buys that crock of shit 'he's not an American!' - it's the crazy conspiracy theorists who sit back and think of these things while tin-foiling their windows to block out the CIA brainwashing rays from entering their houses that think of this stuff, I'm pretty sure. Anyone with .03% of a brain knows that the administration and the GOP would have absolutely blown this guy out of the water if he truly wasn't a US Citizen, I have been annoyed with that since the allegations first came out. I LOL'd in line at the grocery store yesterday as the headline of Globe or whatever that completely made-up 'news'paper is when I looked and the cover had a picture of some birth certificate and said 'OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE FAKE! PROOF INSIDE!' or something to that .... it was the dumbest thing I had seen in a long time.

There was a recent poll that showed as many as 25% of respondents identifying as republicans believed he was not born in the U.S.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/distur...eliefs_abo.php
another one that finds basically the same numbers even though they didn't believe the findings of the first one. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-obamas-birth/

It is not just a couple of crazies.

[mo_feezy]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXrSK_VfME

It's amazing how many people are falling for Obama's deception.

Here he is on tape on numerous occasions talking about how this step that they are pushing right now (for a "public option") is just a bridge to what they ultimately want - total single payer government control which is inevitable.

He openly admitted that the transition would take some time but gradual steps would lead to single payer which he DOES want regardless of the rhetoric he's currently spewing.

Since when does a monopoly decrease costs and improve quality and service?

I've never seen it.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here, based on your use of the word deception, you think Obama was not born in the U.S., am I right?

You need to seriously consider finding new sources of news information. Focus on something that doesn't have a host who cries on the air regularly.

[JBougie]

Originally Posted by mo_feezy

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here, based on your use of the word deception, you think Obama was not born in the U.S., am I right?

You need to seriously consider finding new sources of news information. Focus on something that doesn't have a host who cries on the air regularly.

Now, not to be accused again of post skimming - but please explain to me how him stating that Obama is guilty of deception that would somehow mean that he doesn't believe Obama is a US Citizen.

[mo_feezy]

Originally Posted by JBougie

Now, not to be accused again of post skimming - but please explain to me how him stating that Obama is guilty of deception that would somehow mean that he doesn't believe Obama is a US Citizen.

because deception is the word of choice for the people implying that Obama is some sort of evil person (the antichrist, even).

[JBougie]

Guess she just proved that she only thinks protests are OK when they are on the side of her agenda ....
http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback...of-disruptors/

[Bob Dog]

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[Malaya1221]

imagine what i go through on this site

http://www.facebook.com/artnjocel122...5145124?ref=ts

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

imagine what i go through on this site

http://www.facebook.com/artnjocel122...5145124?ref=ts

I wouldn't spend too much time at that site. Your IQ is likely to drop just from having the page up on your screen.