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There are other examples of fuel shortages in the U.S., though. Here's one from September 2008 due to hurricanes Ike and Gustav that reached as far as Atlanta and Nashville, and which lasted for up to 8 days: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092504159.html http://www.allthatsevil.net/?p=458
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Electric cars are the next high end sports cars.. No doubt there. 0-60 in <3.7 seconds. And that is just the first generation of electric cars. Think about comparing the model-T to a modern high end sports car to see how much gas engine technology has evolved.. Then think of the Tesla roadsters as beating the doors off pretty much every gas car out there and realize that the roadsters are pretty much the model-T of electric cars. I expect to see the day where most cars on the highway can do 0-60 in less than a second with the right set of tires and advancements in electric engine tech.. Last edited by Sidicas; 12-27-2009 at 10:30 PM. |
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^^ there's a ton of cars faster than the tesla, for around the same price, and we are very far from the first generation of electric cars, the tesla really shouldn't even be considered 2nd generation.
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12-27-2009, 11:59 PM | #22 |
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IMO, electric cars are definately a major part of the future.
However, they need further developement to to became mainstream and not be just a esoteric form of transportation 1) The price needs to come down to the level of comparative gas cars. 2) The range needs to be increase a bit, 3) The avalibility of charging staions/outlets outside the home are needed. IMO, the needs of an electric car to become mainsteam are akin to those that gas powered cars faced in displacing the hores and buggy, namely cost, support and pacticality. |
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Oh well I found it and they are using a 1.4 L Motor so yes it is a generator. So I'm guessing you have this 1.4 L that uses gas for those 300 miles. That's good and solves the getting stranded problem. It still doesn't get rid of the gas so It's a start but I think once the Plug-In Prius comes around there will really be no competition. Especially being what almost 20,000 less. Last edited by slothman86; 12-28-2009 at 12:05 PM. |
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the biggest problem of all is where the electricity comes from, and how much it costs. If it ends up costing more anyways, and polluting more to boot, what exactly is the point?
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How can a car that costs 3 times as much as a Yaris decimate it? The Volt will have zero effect on Yaris sales.
There also seems to be this idea that the Volt has a limited range. It is only limited in the same way any other car is - when it runs out of gas. Keep gas in the Volt, and its gas powered generator will keep it going as far as you need. Cross country trip? No problem. Last edited by Kal-El; 01-05-2010 at 07:01 AM. |
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As for cost, I assume you are referring to the electricity and not the vehicle itself. I live in one of the most expensive areas of the world for electricity (as I write this we are paying $0.124/kWh) and my cost per mile with an EV is roughly 25% what gasoline costs me. If you are referring to the cost of the vehicle remember that you are not comparing apples to apples. Many of the costs of the ownership of a gasoline burning car are absent with EVs such as oil changes, air filters, tune ups, clutch/transmission fluids and wear, etc.
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01-05-2010, 10:09 AM | #29 |
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Yes, it will, because the Volt is a hybrid - not an EV. The poster that I quoted gave me the impression that he was speaking about EVs in general rather than just the Volt, and that's what I was speaking to.
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IMO, gas cars are definitely a major part of the future. However, they need further development to to became mainstream and not be just a esoteric form of transportation 1) The price needs to come down to the level of steam engines. 2) The range needs to be increase a bit, 3) The availability of gasoline stations/outlets outside the home are needed. You can always use Coal, wood or anything that burns to power a steam engine, but we need places to be able to get gasoline. IMO, the needs of a gas car to become mainstream are akin to those that steam powered engines faced in displacing the horse and buggy, namely cost, support and practicality. Quote:
You can't yank the gasoline engine out of a prius and have it still be a usable car, it wouldn't get above 45MPH.. The MAJOR show-stopper that I see with the Chevy Volt, especially up here in NY and colder climates is that the electric motors are so energy efficient that they don't generate any heat.. Yup, 30 below and no heat! Of course, I'd imagine that the car's heating comes from the range extender gas engine but having to run that 24/7 kinda defeats the point of putting down 30 grand for an electric car like the Volt. If I lived down south, then I would definitely get the volt as my next car. Last edited by Sidicas; 01-05-2010 at 12:26 PM. |
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When it comes to heating EVs employ a ceramic-based resistance heater, much like a space heater. This means the heat in the Volt will likely come from the batteries rather than the engine, but it will end up running the engine sooner in order to replenish the batteries.
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