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12-21-2009, 10:34 PM | #19 | |
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They ask if I want to rotate the tires but I always say NOP they are brand new dude cant u see?!?!? lol but I am almost positive if I say yes they would charge me for it as well
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12-21-2009, 10:35 PM | #20 |
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yeah, that is a silly price for an oil change. the local auto parts stores has a sale on 5 mobil 1 synthetic quarts and filter for about $25 about 364 days out of the year. it takes about 15 mins to do myself and in the end i have 1 extra quart left over... it's like buy 4 oil changes get one free!!! i had never changed oil on any car before and decided to do it myself on the yaris and was amazed at how easy it is. my only suggestion is to buy a small strap type filter wrench (not that plastic cup looking thing)because it makes life a little bit easier... for me at least. there is nothing to worry about changing the oil in a yaris... i've had sneezes that were more difficult and painful than the oil change
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Ill tell you what my shop pays for oil. 1.89 per quart. We used to pay 2.25 for almost a year putting in high quality oil in every oil change. But people didnt care they just wanted cheap. So we finally compromised and went down to a lower quality oil at 1.89 a quart and dropped out coupon rate from 19.95 to 17.95. I also pay about adverage 4 dollars for the filter. Depends on the car some are more some are less. So if i a car comes in that takes 5 quarts of oil. thats 13.45 for the parts my cost I only make 4 dollars and 50 cents. That dosnt even cover cost of things like the quarter can of brake cleaner. Thats maybe 50 cents. So really i make 4 dollars flat. I am paying the lube tech 15 a hour that means I dont even cover his salary. Let alone have enough left over to pay for the electricity, rent, etc. Oh yeah i forgot to mention that includes topping off of fluids. Some cars come in with no wiper fluid. Maybe thats 50 cents to fill it up a gallon and half of washer fluid. Some cars come low on coolant. If its toyota long life thats maybe a dollar to fill up a quart. If its low on transmission fluid well it adds up. Sometimes we end up in the negative. There is no money in oil changes ill say it one last time its considered loss leader. Belive what you will but no shop can survive on oil change alone. Its just something to bring customers in. at 13.45 for parts there is no real room for markup. If a shop is charging even 20 dollars labor that still dosnt cover it. Most shops labor rate is 95 dollars a hour. If your getting a oil change that includes checking tire pressure topping of fluids full undervehicle inspection full underhood inspection. Takes about 25 minutes to do complete from start to finish. Ad another 5 minutes for checking and checkout time thats half a hour. So really you should be charged half an hour labor rate at 47.50 but your paying 20 bucks still. Or i guess at my shop 4 dollars. Thats what i mean when i say your not getting ripped off. That shop OP took his car do decides to take less of a loss than the next shop. Maybe they are busy enough they dont really need to do oil changes that they have constant flow of customers. So if they are going to do a oil change they want to make sure its worth thier while. Maybe they have no lube technicians they only have a staff of mechanics. So you may have a 30 dollar a hour mechanic doing your oil change for 80 bucks with 45 dollars in material for oil. You do the math. They are not walking away with pockets full of money. The lube shops that do quickie oil changes dont really make money either. They charge a little more but poeple go for the quickie service. They make it up by selling you unessisary stuff like air filters that arnt that dirty. Fluid exchanges that arnt needed yet. And plus they use only generic fluids and mark it way up. They pay their technicians lot lower than other shops. Which is why usually thier experience matches thier pay. I am sure everyone has heard of or know about a horror story of such quick lube shops. Just watch dateline nbc.
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Really sorry for my rant and rave. Its just in my shop i have people that walk out that say my oil change is a rip off at our normal price for 24 dollars at almost a daily basis. And it just offends me. I just want people to know the real truth. Someone had to say it.
FYI I do still use the better oil for the customers that request it i charge 3.50 more for the oil change or fully synthetic oil for 59.95 for up the 5 quarts. Or customers that wish to bring their own oil but walk in with a coupon for 17.95 but the price does not change. Blows me away when they complain why they still have to pay 17.95 even though they brought their own oil.
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^^ when did we go from arguing an 86 dollar oil change to a 20 dollar oil change? You're losing a few dollars per oil change, not 50 or 60.
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"Well this is what was done.. which I assume was standred but according to what you posted for $30 they change the filter and oil. Do they rotate the tires? I was charged $26 more for that." If you really want to get down to it and break it down..... Labor 33.84 - profit 33.84 (Keep in mind OP stated that he had his tires rotated too not just typical oil change) So subtract 26 if you want he was really billed only 7.84 for his oil change. Parts 48.20 - depends on the oil. I pay 11 dollars a quart for amsoil from my local kragens just really depends on what oil they are using and quality of filter. Not really all that much markup here. Maybe 10 dollars i guess Shop Material 1.35 - no profit here Sales tax 3.05 - no profit here Total 86.44 Okay if you add 33.84 plus 10 dollar profit on parts that 43.84. He paid the dealer 43.84 for 45 minutes worth of their time. Honestly me personally trying to speak unbiased as possible. I would rather pay a shop 33.84 give them my oil and filter and have them rotate my tires for me, check and adjust my tire pressure, drain and refill my oil and clean up the mess and dispose of the oil and filter for me.
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12-22-2009, 12:10 AM | #27 | |
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I really also think that most people are missing the part about if your yaris is still under warrenty you MUST have your car serviced by a reputable dealer/service center so you have a record of all the maintance done . I've installed every single part on my car , myself and have built a couple 4g63 and 7mgte longblocks up in the past so I know my way around a wrench . Now do you guys really think I enjoy having to pay for an oil change and having to wait while someone fondles my baby , Hell-no but its under warrenty so I gotta do what i gotta do . I'm sure the OP's car is still under warrenty too |
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They in fact made a profit. If you look at what the dealership pays for the parts, and oil, and the fact that the labor is just minutes, so if you factor all this in THE PROFIT IS BIG! You must work at a dealership and buy all their BS...this is FAR from being a loss leader! |
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12-22-2009, 12:18 AM | #30 |
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Ok , well then have a good time trying to get your toyota dealer to back-up the warrenty when you have no ef'n service records on file
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You are not just paying for the lube tech. You are paying for the secretary that answers the phone. You are paying for the so called free coffe in the fancy waiting room. The food for the fish in the fish tank. The people that come and mop the floor every night. The security guard that walks the lot at night. The massive rent i could go on and on. They are not making some massive profit. put it this way if the dealership did ONLY oil changes. Nothing else. Do you really realistically think they would be making loads of money. Yes i agree lots of things the dealership charges people can be very high. But you have to understand their overhead is so so high. If you dont want to pay a lot i have suggested time and time again find a good local mechanic that you can trust just like your doctor or dentist. My shop is in a complex with about 4 other shops. Two of the shops out of the 4 are 1 man operation 1 bay facility. Very little overhead. The owner is also the mechanic. Of course if the dealership may charge 400 dollars for a particular service he can do the same service for 200. because he has almost no overhead. He may be even willing to do it for 150. You can even find someone on craigslist to do the same service for 75. But guess what the guy on craigslist has zero overhead so he dosnt care. But yet theres people that go to my shop cause they prefer the professionalism, appreciate the service and the fact that we use only OEM factory parts and have a 1 year warranty just like work done at the dealership but yet we are cheaper than them. If they were only concerned with price they would probably find a mechanic on craigslist and go the cash no receipt gig and pray to god nothing happens to their car when they are done. But to me that is just insane. Thats like looking in the pennysaver ad for a coupon for laser eye surgery.
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If you have NO service records. Well they still may help you. But you are really at the mercy of the dealership. And no one really wants to be in that position. I think two words come to mind.... Bend Over
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behour $86 for a synthetic oil change at the dealer is a bit high but not out of the ball park,here in Canada $70 to $80 would be the norm. 4 liters of Mobil1 will set you back close to $40 at the local auto parts store plus a $10 oil filter from the dealer and its $50 just to do it yourself
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I know I've been taking my car back to the dealer for the oil changes just for the simplicity of it. Our garage has been too much of a mess lately to be able to change it on my own (finally can get the cars back in as of last night). The driveway has too much of a slope to it to do it in the driveway. Not to mention that now it's just too damn cold out. Dealer I bought the car from and have gone back to, I've declined the tire rotation, and paid about $30+taxes for the oil change. And I get a free car wash out of the deal.
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I would see if any Yarisworld members near you are willing to drop by your place and show you the ropes. It's very simple, and actually pretty fun! If you lived closer I would be happy to come by and help :( Also, everyone saying you must have your car serviced by the dealer to maintain a warranty is flat out WRONG. Not only is it wrong, it's illegal. If a warranty issue comes up, the dealer only needs to see proof that SOMEONE did the oil change/service. If you do your own service, keep a log book. It's easy and will cover you in the event you have to use the warranty. |
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synthetic oil
I wonder whether behour needs synthetic oil. If Mo stands for Missouri (where it doesn't get very cold), and the OP is changing his/her oil every 5 thousand miles, why pay extra for synthetic oil over dino oil? The Yaris engine doesn't need it, does it?
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