Rabbit seems like a REAL threat to Yaris

[TRD_Yaris]

Originally Posted by BensVitz

Save $1000.00 and get the manual. They're more sporting anyways.

Ben

the new rabbit has a 6 SPEED AUTOMATIC with CLUTCH!!! so..it might not be wise to get the 5 speed manual.\


also, VW's are EXTREMLY UNRELIABLE!! have you watche PINKS!? it didn't even make it 4 times down the 1/4 mile, and THAT WAS A PROFESSIONAL VW BUILDER!!!! I would take a honda civic with integra motor over a VW anyday!!! though, they do seem to have pretty solid doors (Yaris does, too, though)

[GTSRacer]

Originally Posted by BensVitz

What do you guys think of the VW Rabbit 2-door?

It starts at $14990 and comes statndard with power EVERYTHING. 10 speaker stereo, 150 hp, cruise control, remote entry, 5 year powertrain and 4-year everything else including 4 years of Roadside assistance STANDARD. These will actually be built in Germany too. Not like the Golf of Mexico... get it? Sorry.

The Yaris with Power Package is going to be near $14000 and still won't have half of those features.

I'm sorry, but I may have to start looking at the Rabbit a little more seriously. The Rabbit is a great looking car. Good milage is nice, but features are nice too.

Ben

The problem with the Golf production in Mexico was reliability. The reliability for the entire VW line is worse than any North American producer. VW offers those warranties because of the poor performance of their cars over time, and the reputation that VW's are unreliable hunks of junk.

The VWs are not any peppier - the dealer said the rabbit was 'built like a tank'. The rabbit is 300KG (30%) heavier than the yaris, requiring the additional HP. My yaris is nimble and ziippy and way more fun to drive. It has the additional head room that makes it feel roomy and spacious.

Most importantly, its a Toyota, and is allowed to park in the driveway. :P

TM

[tomjasz]

Originally Posted by Buckethead

Every person that I ever knew that drove a VW was either a woman, or gay. That's just my experience.

It might be wise to occasionally take the bucket off your head and SEE the world around you. Your view is definitely blocked!

[Chris07LB]

I dont feel any threat!

[Boo]

Originally Posted by GTSRacer

The problem with the Golf production in Mexico was reliability. The reliability for the entire VW line is worse than any North American producer. VW offers those warranties because of the poor performance of their cars over time, and the reputation that VW's are unreliable hunks of junk.

FYI... Rabbit is made in Germany. Only Jetta is made in Mexico.
From my past exp. VW's relibility doesn't bother me (esp. the base model with less gadget one.).. but the real problem is the resale, since all the people have the preception of VW is unreliable. That sink the resale.

[Yaris Dick]

Well, against my better judgement, I feel I have to give my 2 cents. I'm a devoted VW fan AND a devoted Toyota fan. I feel uniquely qualified to weigh in on this debate since I own BOTH the Yaris and the Rabbit (as well as the new GTI). I bought my daughter an '07 Rabbit two weeks before I bought my Yaris.

To be frank, there is really no comparison between the Rabbit and the Yaris. The two cars are at opposite ends of the automotive spectrum in almost every respect except size. I don't think VW gave a crap about Yaris when it designed the Rabbit and I don't think Toyota gave a crap about the Rabbit when they designed the Yaris.

In my opinion, the Yaris is the ultimate commuter. Its mileage numbers alone will ensure its success in the USA in the current market. It's well designed, tightly built, and well refined for such a small car.

The Rabbit goes after a different market segment. It's much heavier. It feels much more solid on the road than the Yaris. Intuitively, I think it will hold up MUCH better in a collision than the Yaris. It's much better equipped for the money. Its gas mileage SUCKS compared to Yaris. It will no doubt spend much more time in the dealer's service bay... (trust me, I know what I'm talking about here, I've owned VW's since the mid 80's).

As a matter of personal preference, I'd pick the VW to drive on the hwy for a trip of 100 or more miles. I'd pick the Yaris for everything else.

Both cars are profound winners. If the Rabbit got 40 MPG, I wouldn't own a Yaris.

[stuffy]

now that vw doesn't make the tdi for the n.american market, one would think that they would design the new rabbit more for fuel economy (at least the entry level versions),
that is what people want in a small car, not something that gulps the gas like a bigger vehicle,
but this design is already 2 years old for europe, so fuel economy wasn't such the big issue then as it is now.

perhaps that is why vw isn't doing so well economically. bad decisions.

they are really nice looking cars though, especially the gti.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Yaris Dick

Both cars are profound winners. If the Rabbit got 40 MPG, I wouldn't own a Yaris.

It only happen if they give us Rabbit TDI. However, they stop making TDI for 07

[Yaris Dick]

Originally Posted by Boo

It only happen if they give us Rabbit TDI. However, they stop making TDI for 07

I traded a 2002 Golf TDI for my daughter's Rabbit. The TDI was an awesome fuel sipper (51 MPG hwy)... but talk about quirky... lots of little annoying problems that would nickle and dime you to death. Then there was the $900.00 timing belt change at 80K! Even if they still sold TDI's here, I'd never own another one. For maximum MPG, I'll be sticking with the Japanese from now on.

[Yaris Dick]

Originally Posted by stuffy

now that vw doesn't make the tdi for the n.american market, one would think that they would design the new rabbit more for fuel economy (at least the entry level versions),
that is what people want in a small car, not something that gulps the gas like a bigger vehicle,
but this design is already 2 years old for europe, so fuel economy wasn't such the big issue then as it is now.

perhaps that is why vw isn't doing so well economically. bad decisions.

they are really nice looking cars though, especially the gti.

I think VW will wise up soon and offer the Polo in the US. That would give the Yaris, FIT, XA and other micro-Japanese cars a run for their money.

[stuffy]

they should get on that, i see about 5 yarises a day now here in canada when i'm out and about, people are buying this car, big time! if vw had something comparable (price and fuel-economy wise), they would probably be selling like hotcakes.

a few days ago i went on a daytrip and i saw 9 yarises! 8 hatches, 1 sedan.

are you guys in the states seeing more on the road now? i was in boston for a week last month and only saw 3 (2 sedans, 1 hatch) and they were all in the city itself, i didnt' see anything smaller than a corrolla on the drive through new york state.

[Yaris Dick]

Originally Posted by stuffy

they should get on that, i see about 5 yarises a day now here in canada when i'm out and about, people are buying this car, big time! if vw had something comparable (price and fuel-economy wise), they would probably be selling like hotcakes.

a few days ago i went on a daytrip and i saw 9 yarises! 8 hatches, 1 sedan.

are you guys in the states seeing more on the road now? i was in boston for a week last month and only saw 3 (2 sedans, 1 hatch) and they were all in the city itself, i didnt' see anything smaller than a corrolla on the drive through new york state.

Funny you should mention seeing more on the road... I just came home from a trip to Costco and I saw 2 Yaris sedans in the parking lot. I drive 126 miles per day commuting and I'm seeing more and more Yaris' everyday. Weird thing is... in the States, it seems to be the reverse, I've only seen two other hatches on the road. I've seen at least 10 sedans.

[stuffy]

yeah, i've only seen a handful of sedans here in canada, i think the hatch is a lot more popular here

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by tomjasz

It might be wise to occasionally take the bucket off your head and SEE the world around you. Your view is definitely blocked!

Relax, that was from my own experience. I was not generalizing, that's just how it is in socal.

[mikeukrainetz]

If theres a 'generalized' area of the US its SoCal... Unfortunately from watching TV here in canada its made to look like every person in Cali drives a benz, Navigator, Caddy in one form or other... never have I seen anyone driving an '80 pinto or a VW for that matter...they make it seem like if you dont own at least one car more than 60grand your not actually allowed to live there.... (maybe thats a stretch)

[Jem_hadar]

Originally Posted by BensVitz

What do you guys think of the VW Rabbit 2-door?
These will actually be built in Germany too. Not like the Golf of Mexico.
I'm sorry, but I may have to start looking at the Rabbit a little more seriously. The Rabbit is a great looking car. Good milage is nice, but features are nice too.

Ben

Yea, the VW Rabbit is all made in Germany, EXCEPT for the engine I believe it was. That is still made in Mexico.

I just test drove a VW Rabbit on Friday. Its was a very nice ride, it looks fucking PIMP on the outside and REALLY fucking tight and phat on the inside. It has A MILLION base features. EXCEPTIONALLY impressive from that standpoint alone for like 20,000 for a 2-door (plus taxes and freight of course).

Yea, I think if you're looking to repair the VW Rabbit, you're gonna wanna more likey than not taking it to an actual VW shop to fix, and thats gonna run u more in repairs than fixing our Toyota Yarises

Originally Posted by Buckethead

I agree, No VW is a threat to toyota....


BTW, VW's are chick cars. Sorry, fellas, nothing wrong with driving one, but I would never own one. Even the name sounds femine. Rabbit? Awwwwe, what a cute little bunny rabbit!

Must say, the ONLY comments I really get about my Yaris is how "cute" it is. Idont mind though. I like the fact thats chicks dig it... i dont need masuline and powerful cars. Doesnt appeal to me.

The Rabbit FEELS sturdy as hell, looks less "unique" and has more HP... i'd say its much more masculine based on those factors alone.

Originally Posted by TRD_Yaris

also, VW's are EXTREMLY UNRELIABLE!! have you watche PINKS!? it didn't even make it 4 times down the 1/4 mile, and THAT WAS A PROFESSIONAL VW BUILDER!!!! I would take a honda civic with integra motor over a VW anyday!!! though, they do seem to have pretty solid doors (Yaris does, too, though)

The new Rabbit should be WAY more realiable than the Golfs. They are entirely made in German except for their engines.

The doors on teh RAbbit are a million times more solid and heavy feel than teh Yarises. I was so shocked at how heavy the fucking doors were when i got into the drivers seat!

Originally Posted by GTSRacer

The problem with the Golf production in Mexico was reliability.

The VWs are not any peppier - the dealer said the rabbit was 'built like a tank'. The rabbit is 300KG (30%) heavier than the yaris, requiring the additional HP. My yaris is nimble and ziippy and way more fun to drive. It has the additional head room that makes it feel roomy and spacious.

TM

I agree, the rabbit does freaking feel like its truly built like a tank! HEAVY as hell. The doors feel exception think and solid. the whole ride feels solid. I like the nimbleness of my Yaris better though.

Originally Posted by Boo

FYI... Rabbit is made in Germany.

Yup. Wolfsburg, Germany (except for the engine as i said above)

Built: Wolfsburg, Germany; engine built in Mexico
Source: http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/07rabbit.htm


Jem

[Jem_hadar]

Originally Posted by Yaris Dick

Well, against my better judgement, I feel I have to give my 2 cents. I'm a devoted VW fan AND a devoted Toyota fan. I feel uniquely qualified to weigh in on this debate since I own BOTH the Yaris and the Rabbit (as well as the new GTI). I bought my daughter an '07 Rabbit two weeks before I bought my Yaris.

To be frank, there is really no comparison between the Rabbit and the Yaris. The two cars are at opposite ends of the automotive spectrum in almost every respect except size. I don't think VW gave a crap about Yaris when it designed the Rabbit and I don't think Toyota gave a crap about the Rabbit when they designed the Yaris.

In my opinion, the Yaris is the ultimate commuter. Its mileage numbers alone will ensure its success in the USA in the current market. It's well designed, tightly built, and well refined for such a small car.

The Rabbit goes after a different market segment. It's much heavier. It feels much more solid on the road than the Yaris. Intuitively, I think it will hold up MUCH better in a collision than the Yaris. It's much better equipped for the money. Its gas mileage SUCKS compared to Yaris. It will no doubt spend much more time in the dealer's service bay... (trust me, I know what I'm talking about here, I've owned VW's since the mid 80's).

As a matter of personal preference, I'd pick the VW to drive on the hwy for a trip of 100 or more miles. I'd pick the Yaris for everything else.

Both cars are profound winners. If the Rabbit got 40 MPG, I wouldn't own a Yaris.

You said it NICE.

I agree with everything you said. Well put. ^5

Jem

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Yaris Dick

I traded a 2002 Golf TDI for my daughter's Rabbit. The TDI was an awesome fuel sipper (51 MPG hwy)... but talk about quirky... lots of little annoying problems that would nickle and dime you to death. Then there was the $900.00 timing belt change at 80K! Even if they still sold TDI's here, I'd never own another one. For maximum MPG, I'll be sticking with the Japanese from now on.

The dealer is trying to rip you off.. There is nothing special for changing the timing belt on a TDI vs. the Gasoline engine.. It should only cost you around $500 to $600 if you do it in an independent VW garage. And I agree, the TDI timing belt recommand to be replaced more frequent than the gasoline one.. since they have bigger torque.