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Bob Dog · 06-09-2009, 06:16 AM

CR is not just on crack. CR is a whore on crack

Lewis · 06-09-2009, 08:56 AM

For me it was purely price (i have to admit on the merits of the car I'd be in fit) - if I was able to get a fit for 12,000 dollars i'd have gotten the fit- but honda dealers being what they are- a fit ended up being about 5,000 more when i factored in what they'd go for on my trade.

One other thing that annoys the heck out of me is the Honda dealers' (i tried several) attitude- like they're doing you a favor selling you the car. My local toyota dealer was much better to work with.

guzziknight · 06-09-2009, 10:01 AM

That's interesting. I bought my used Yaris S at a Honda dealer, and they bent over backwards to get the deal done. Now, it was the end of the month, and it was Memorial Day weekend, so that had a lot to do with it, but I couldn't be happier with the experience there. Of course, I've been to other dealers, Honda and other brands, that seemed like you were doing them a favor being there.

Yaniv

eht13 · 06-09-2009, 10:17 AM

As I said in another recent thread...

At this point it almost seems like the Fit is the de facto winner any time a media outlet is doing a subcompact comparison. Almost like they can't really be bothered to really judge things fairly and come up with their own opinion; "um... so yeah... the Fit wins, we guess."

Anyway, the Fit is pretty nice, but they are overpriced I think (and I had two Hondas before that I didn't think were overpriced). My only real criticism of the car itself: it looks like a mini-minivan, or a clothes iron (especially the newer design).

And this comparison throws the Kia in there.

The other one threw the new Nissan Cube in. They used to throw the Nissan Versa in there most of the time, which is the other car I test drove when I ended up buying my Yaris sedan (test drove a Fit, the Yaris, and a Versa).

The Versa was easy to eliminate from consideration. For the Yaris and the Fit, I liked them pretty much equally except for the Fit's looks (see above)... and that was the less-ugly (IMO) older design. The other factor, as others have mentioned, was a total lack of desire on the part of Honda dealers to negotiate one dollar on the used '07 Fits that I looked at, while I had a great deal already waiting for me at the Toyota dealer (looked at the Yaris there first).

YotaYaris · 06-09-2009, 10:29 AM

From Edmunds.com

What Edmunds.com says

The 2009 Toyota Yaris boasts a variety of body styles and a solid track record for reliability, but there are better choices for an economy car.

Pros

Very fuel-efficient, comfortable ride, handsome interior, multiple body styles, hatchback's available multifunction rear seat.

Cons

Acceleration-sapping automatic transmission, awkward seating position, centrally placed gauges.

What's New for 2009

For 2009, the Toyota Yaris becomes safer via standard side curtain airbags and antilock brakes. This year also brings a new addition to the lineup: a four-door hatchback.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yaris/2009/review.html

doublewam · 06-09-2009, 11:20 AM

They, as CR, do not find the centrally placed gauges on the mini to be an issue. I totally don't get the complaint about acceleration. I find my new Yaris to be quite 'peppy'.

The official "Are They On Crack Test" is based upon how they compare the Toyota Yaris with the Kia Rio. Is Edmunds.com on crack? Lets see...

2008 Yaris Overallscore (no rating for 2009) = 6.9
2008 Kia Rio Overallscore = 7.6

EDMUNDS IS ON CRACK!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaYaris

From Edmunds.com

What Edmunds.com says

The 2009 Toyota Yaris boasts a variety of body styles and a solid track record for reliability, but there are better choices for an economy car.

Pros

Very fuel-efficient, comfortable ride, handsome interior, multiple body styles, hatchback's available multifunction rear seat.

Cons

Acceleration-sapping automatic transmission, awkward seating position, centrally placed gauges.

What's New for 2009

For 2009, the Toyota Yaris becomes safer via standard side curtain airbags and antilock brakes. This year also brings a new addition to the lineup: a four-door hatchback.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yaris/2009/review.html

R2D2 · 06-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Hey Edmunds-That is the weakest set of cons imaginable.

I wasn't expecting much in the acceleration dept when I test drove a Yaris auto and was surprised how peppy it was. I rarely use everything it has, lol. Most people looking for more perfomance opt for the manual, or SOMETHING that is not an ECONOMY CAR!

The center mounted gauges were only awkward during my first test drive and only because it made me wonder whose bright idea it was to hide the gauges behind the steering wheel in almost every other car.

Awkward seating position?

marcus · 06-10-2009, 06:59 PM

central gause is under cons...??? i dont think id drive another vehicle without the gauges in the centre...its just so much better than looking in between ur steering wheel unless ur steering wheel is transparent or made of glass then maybe..

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaYaris

From Edmunds.com

What Edmunds.com says

The 2009 Toyota Yaris boasts a variety of body styles and a solid track record for reliability, but there are better choices for an economy car.

Pros

Very fuel-efficient, comfortable ride, handsome interior, multiple body styles, hatchback's available multifunction rear seat.

Cons

Acceleration-sapping automatic transmission, awkward seating position, centrally placed gauges.

What's New for 2009

For 2009, the Toyota Yaris becomes safer via standard side curtain airbags and antilock brakes. This year also brings a new addition to the lineup: a four-door hatchback.

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yaris/2009/review.html

YotaYaris · 06-09-2009, 01:06 PM

Here is some more to read for any CRACK heads : )

Fit Vs Cube Vs Yaris

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/...a-yaris-s.html

2009Toyotoad · 06-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Thought CU/CR was an independent thinking and testing organization. But based on my own observations they clearly "screwed the pooch" on this review. I didn't see that either the Fit or RIO were offered as 3dr liftbacks / hatchback. Seem like an Orange vs. Grapefruit comparison to me.

kngrsll · 06-09-2009, 05:24 PM

i think for the average driver, the fit is probably the better car.

that being said, i chose the Yaris bc the Fit was not out and it was much more "simple." The yaris had a weight advantage, and would be very easy to work on. Also, i think with simple mods, it could be much better than the Fit could be.

Now the new Fiesta beats them all though...

doublewam · 06-10-2009, 08:16 AM

Another 'On Crack' test...

After looking at the "Nissan Cube S", if a publication rates it over the Yaris, they are also on crack. Reason...the "Nissan Cube S" is the ugliest car ever made. It looks like something Evil Alien Conquerors would drive (http://www.hulu.com/watch/71338/evil-alien-conquerors).

I mean seriously, I defy anyone to list 3 cars that are patently uglier than the Nissan Cube S.

Yaris Hilton · 06-10-2009, 11:34 AM

Hmmm, the Cube's got some stiff competition for the ugliest, no Viagra needed.

Pontiac Aztek
Honda Element
Any version of the Toyota Land Cruiser
Nissan 350Z & 370Z, with their big fat aging female butts
Toyota Solara convertible, " " " "
And on and on. There's never a short supply of fugly automobiles.

eTiMaGo · 06-10-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaris Hilton

Hmmm, the Cube's got some stiff competition for the ugliest, no Viagra needed.

Pontiac Aztek
Honda Element
Any version of the Toyota Land Cruiser
Nissan 350Z & 370Z, with their big fat aging female butts
Toyota Solara convertible, " " " "
And on and on. There's never a short supply of fugly automobiles.

Don't forget my favorite, the Ssanyong Actyon:

highwaypass · 06-11-2009, 08:11 AM

I think it's only a "propaganda" to bring down the image of toyota.Whenever you reach the highest place,the more people will force you to leave it.

eTiMaGo · 06-10-2009, 12:49 PM

I think they looked to the Aztek for inspiration..

And yet I see a decent amount on the roads here... gotta be dirt cheap, cuz you can't look at a car like this and think "wow, I love it, I want it!"... unless you're Stevie Wonder... but that's a whole other can of worms

nsmitchell · 06-10-2009, 03:35 PM

My 2009 Honda Fit Sport gets 45MPG on the highway using cruise! The 33MPG/hwy is total crap. My Yaris only gets about 38MPG/hwy with the cruise control. The Yaris is better in the city. I'm getting about 33 to 35MPG city. The Fit gets about 30MPG in the city. I think it's the Fit's aerodynamic front end that allows the better hwy mpgs.

The Rio, Cube and Versa are crap in my book!

My Yaris is just so well made and reliable. It's a Toyota after all.
The Fit is so sporty and solid too.

You can't go wrong with a Fit or a Yaris. Both cars are awesome!

roxy1 · 06-10-2009, 05:02 PM

comparing apples to apples as best possible, auto vs auto, manual vs manual, all the data ive found tells me the yaris beats the fit in mpg's across the board and the epa estimates reflect this. i even made a crude spreadsheet when debating on a change to an 09 corolla vs the new fit. the average mpg for the fit. the corolla won out on highway driving by over 2 mpg's. of course, anyone should be wiping out the epa estimates as they are calculated now. i ended up w/ a lifetime avg of 42.3 mpg with my yaris hb manual, and that was 70% light suburban, 15-20% highway and 10-15% city driving. this was using reasonable driving habits but by no means hypermiling.

at any rate, in evaluating all the subcompacts being discussed, using as much objective testing and observations as possible, the yaris is still coming out tops in mileage.

by the same token, being as objective as possible, the fit is more fun to drive and the better handler. heck even my 09 corolla allows me to take twisty off ramps at much higher speed and still feels far more secure than my yaris did.

i still will contend that at the same price the yaris doesnt quite measure up to the fit, outside of looks (which is pretty subjective) and fuel economy (which is not subjective). but, those two items are high on many peoples list.

06-09-2009, 10:29 AM	#5
YotaYaris Drives: 09 3dr (sold), 12 SE 5spd : ) Join Date: May 2009 Location: SA TX Posts: 140	From Edmunds.com What Edmunds.com says The 2009 Toyota Yaris boasts a variety of body styles and a solid track record for reliability, but there are better choices for an economy car. Pros Very fuel-efficient, comfortable ride, handsome interior, multiple body styles, hatchback's available multifunction rear seat. Cons Acceleration-sapping automatic transmission, awkward seating position, centrally placed gauges. What's New for 2009 For 2009, the Toyota Yaris becomes safer via standard side curtain airbags and antilock brakes. This year also brings a new addition to the lineup: a four-door hatchback. http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yaris/2009/review.html __________________ Its all about the MPG's !!

06-09-2009, 01:06 PM	#9
YotaYaris Drives: 09 3dr (sold), 12 SE 5spd : ) Join Date: May 2009 Location: SA TX Posts: 140	Here is some more to read for any CRACK heads : ) Fit Vs Cube Vs Yaris http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/...a-yaris-s.html __________________ Its all about the MPG's !!

06-09-2009, 05:24 PM	#11
kngrsll Apexing Egg!! Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris white hatch Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 872	i think for the average driver, the fit is probably the better car. that being said, i chose the Yaris bc the Fit was not out and it was much more "simple." The yaris had a weight advantage, and would be very easy to work on. Also, i think with simple mods, it could be much better than the Fit could be. Now the new Fiesta beats them all though... __________________ HighTach Motorsports 2007 Toyota Yaris-ARGH!! Mods: Tokico HTS, 6.6 kg F, 6.1 kg R custom springs, 23 mm RSB, 2-way TRD LSD, 15x7 +25 Team Dynamic wheels, 195/55/15 Dunlop Star Specs, Cobra Suzuka S

06-11-2009, 08:11 AM	#15
highwaypass Captain Slow Drives: '08 1.5 hatchback Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jakarta Posts: 145	I think it's only a "propaganda" to bring down the image of toyota.Whenever you reach the highest place,the more people will force you to leave it. __________________ There's only 1 brand,2 drive,3 words,4 you: TO-YO-TA

06-10-2009, 12:49 PM	#16
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	I think they looked to the Aztek for inspiration.. And yet I see a decent amount on the roads here... gotta be dirt cheap, cuz you can't look at a car like this and think "wow, I love it, I want it!"... unless you're Stevie Wonder... but that's a whole other can of worms __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

06-09-2009, 06:16 AM	#1
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	CR is not just on crack. CR is a whore on crack

06-09-2009, 08:56 AM	#2
Lewis Our off road vehicle Drives: 2009 Yaris 3dr Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 198	For me it was purely price (i have to admit on the merits of the car I'd be in fit) - if I was able to get a fit for 12,000 dollars i'd have gotten the fit- but honda dealers being what they are- a fit ended up being about 5,000 more when i factored in what they'd go for on my trade. One other thing that annoys the heck out of me is the Honda dealers' (i tried several) attitude- like they're doing you a favor selling you the car. My local toyota dealer was much better to work with.

06-09-2009, 10:01 AM	#3
guzziknight Drives: 2008 Yaris S Join Date: May 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 69	That's interesting. I bought my used Yaris S at a Honda dealer, and they bent over backwards to get the deal done. Now, it was the end of the month, and it was Memorial Day weekend, so that had a lot to do with it, but I couldn't be happier with the experience there. Of course, I've been to other dealers, Honda and other brands, that seemed like you were doing them a favor being there. Yaniv

06-09-2009, 10:17 AM	#4
eht13 Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 363	As I said in another recent thread... At this point it almost seems like the Fit is the de facto winner any time a media outlet is doing a subcompact comparison. Almost like they can't really be bothered to really judge things fairly and come up with their own opinion; "um... so yeah... the Fit wins, we guess." Anyway, the Fit is pretty nice, but they are overpriced I think (and I had two Hondas before that I didn't think were overpriced). My only real criticism of the car itself: it looks like a mini-minivan, or a clothes iron (especially the newer design). And this comparison throws the Kia in there. The other one threw the new Nissan Cube in. They used to throw the Nissan Versa in there most of the time, which is the other car I test drove when I ended up buying my Yaris sedan (test drove a Fit, the Yaris, and a Versa). The Versa was easy to eliminate from consideration. For the Yaris and the Fit, I liked them pretty much equally except for the Fit's looks (see above)... and that was the less-ugly (IMO) older design. The other factor, as others have mentioned, was a total lack of desire on the part of Honda dealers to negotiate one dollar on the used '07 Fits that I looked at, while I had a great deal already waiting for me at the Toyota dealer (looked at the Yaris there first).

06-09-2009, 04:59 PM	#7
R2D2 Crazy Oil Sniffer Drives: MM 09 Yaris 5 Dr LB "Click" Join Date: May 2009 Location: ME Posts: 498	Hey Edmunds-That is the weakest set of cons imaginable. I wasn't expecting much in the acceleration dept when I test drove a Yaris auto and was surprised how peppy it was. I rarely use everything it has, lol. Most people looking for more perfomance opt for the manual, or SOMETHING that is not an ECONOMY CAR! The center mounted gauges were only awkward during my first test drive and only because it made me wonder whose bright idea it was to hide the gauges behind the steering wheel in almost every other car. Awkward seating position?

06-09-2009, 05:09 PM	#10
2009Toyotoad Drives: 2009 Yaris 3dr Join Date: May 2009 Location: California Posts: 135	Thought CU/CR was an independent thinking and testing organization. But based on my own observations they clearly "screwed the pooch" on this review. I didn't see that either the Fit or RIO were offered as 3dr liftbacks / hatchback. Seem like an Orange vs. Grapefruit comparison to me.

06-10-2009, 08:16 AM	#12
doublewam Drives: 2009 Yaris Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19	Another 'On Crack' test... After looking at the "Nissan Cube S", if a publication rates it over the Yaris, they are also on crack. Reason...the "Nissan Cube S" is the ugliest car ever made. It looks like something Evil Alien Conquerors would drive (http://www.hulu.com/watch/71338/evil-alien-conquerors). I mean seriously, I defy anyone to list 3 cars that are patently uglier than the Nissan Cube S.

06-10-2009, 11:34 AM	#13
Yaris Hilton Half a Bubble Off Plumb Drives: 2009 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bristol, Tennessee, USA Posts: 1,593	Hmmm, the Cube's got some stiff competition for the ugliest, no Viagra needed. Pontiac Aztek Honda Element Any version of the Toyota Land Cruiser Nissan 350Z & 370Z, with their big fat aging female butts Toyota Solara convertible, " " " " And on and on. There's never a short supply of fugly automobiles.

06-10-2009, 03:35 PM	#17
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	My 2009 Honda Fit Sport gets 45MPG on the highway using cruise! The 33MPG/hwy is total crap. My Yaris only gets about 38MPG/hwy with the cruise control. The Yaris is better in the city. I'm getting about 33 to 35MPG city. The Fit gets about 30MPG in the city. I think it's the Fit's aerodynamic front end that allows the better hwy mpgs. The Rio, Cube and Versa are crap in my book! My Yaris is just so well made and reliable. It's a Toyota after all. The Fit is so sporty and solid too. You can't go wrong with a Fit or a Yaris. Both cars are awesome! __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

06-10-2009, 05:02 PM	#18
roxy1 Drives: 2014 yaris 5 speed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 642	comparing apples to apples as best possible, auto vs auto, manual vs manual, all the data ive found tells me the yaris beats the fit in mpg's across the board and the epa estimates reflect this. i even made a crude spreadsheet when debating on a change to an 09 corolla vs the new fit. the average mpg for the fit. the corolla won out on highway driving by over 2 mpg's. of course, anyone should be wiping out the epa estimates as they are calculated now. i ended up w/ a lifetime avg of 42.3 mpg with my yaris hb manual, and that was 70% light suburban, 15-20% highway and 10-15% city driving. this was using reasonable driving habits but by no means hypermiling. at any rate, in evaluating all the subcompacts being discussed, using as much objective testing and observations as possible, the yaris is still coming out tops in mileage. by the same token, being as objective as possible, the fit is more fun to drive and the better handler. heck even my 09 corolla allows me to take twisty off ramps at much higher speed and still feels far more secure than my yaris did. i still will contend that at the same price the yaris doesnt quite measure up to the fit, outside of looks (which is pretty subjective) and fuel economy (which is not subjective). but, those two items are high on many peoples list. Last edited by roxy1; 06-10-2009 at 05:13 PM.

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