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supmet · 08-29-2009, 06:22 PM

How about we take away licenses for talking on a phone or texting. First offense no warning. Fines(for every offense, not just cell phone related) should also be based on salary, like in many european countries. I read some dot-commer got a speeding ticket in the tens of thousands of dollars range.

Really they just need to make everything stricter and more serious when it comes to driving. You can take away phones but the people texting and swerving will just find something else to distract themselves with - and truth be told I've almost been killed by more soccer moms reaching back to beat their screaming kids than texters.

frownonfun · 08-29-2009, 06:34 PM

or you could just not buy into propaganda and realize that law enforcement has more important and way more dangerous things to worry about than cell phone abuse while driving. besides cracking down on that would be about as successful as the prohibition of alcohol and the war on drugs i think.

EDIT: i should have said legislators have more important things to worry about... but that's probably not true... this is exactly one of those things that gets way too much attention and so in all actuality this is, in fact, something legislators would choose to pass laws on in order to appease the masses. however unnecessary and ineffective it may be.

Bob Dog · 08-29-2009, 06:42 PM

More than once some distracted self centered idiot has alomst crunched into me texting. Yeah, make it really illegal about the same as 20 miles over the limit. Acording to the statistics I've benn reading texter are about 23 times as likely to be involved in an accident, just about the dame as drunks. I also think all fines and legal fees should be based on percentages instead of cash amounts, because if its cash based the really rich can afford to ignore it the way they do everything else: to them its just chump change.

frownonfun · 08-29-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

More than once some distracted self centered idiot has alomst crunched into me texting. Yeah, make it illegal abotu the sme as 20 miles over the limit. I also think all fines and legal fees should be based on percentages instead of cash amounts, if its cash based the really rich can afford to ignore it the way they do everything else, because to them its just chump change

and probably for every time you've almost been hit by a texter i can tell you about a time i've almost been hit by someone doing something not related to cell phone use at all. i just don't see why texting is being singled out. and you can't just go around making everything illegal because there is no way to enforce everything.

RedRide · 08-29-2009, 07:04 PM

What's next? Perhaps we should allow sleeping behind the wheel.

When driving, one should devote all attention to driving, no exceptons!

frownonfun · 08-29-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRide

When driving, one should devote all attention to driving, no exceptons!

then perhaps humans should not operate motor vehicles.

RedRide · 08-29-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

then perhaps humans should not operate motor vehicles.

No, only those human who faill to realize the responsibility of driving and think they can multi task while driving.

frownonfun · 08-29-2009, 10:28 PM

i'd like to meet the person who's attention is 100% on driving. honestly i don't think that person exists but i'm sure some of you disagree. which is fine. but my point is you can't go around trying to regulate everything people do behind the wheel that might distract them from driving because that would pretty much include anything that isn't essential to operating the vehicle.

its not that i don't think you probably shouldn't text while driving, it's just i think there are worse things to do behind the wheel of a car. just asking for a little perspective.

RedRide · 08-29-2009, 11:33 PM

There was train accident fairly recent and it was discoverd that the engineer was texting at the time that he missed a signal to stop ahead. It was never proven that texting was the reason but, you have to seriously consider it.

Why do some people feel the need to text while driving?

Bob Dog · 08-30-2009, 05:23 AM

Yeah right, and lets eliminate the drunk driving laws too. As far as I concerned your just making up reasons to rationalize your self indulgent habit that endangers everone else on the highway.

frownonfun · 08-30-2009, 01:53 PM

well of course i'm rationalizing... and the psa is going a little overboard. much like they all do.

i'm also admitting it's something you probably shouldn't do while driving but i just don't think it's a big enough pandemic to go making laws against doing it. just think some folks are a little to law happy is all. i mean do you know how many times i sat in my parents vehicle as a child watching my mother put on makeup while driving. lol. idiotic i know but people do it. long before cell phones even existed people found something to draw their attention away from the road. people will always find something, with or without texting. hands free headsets, stereos, ipods, gps devices, kids, spouses, food, cb radios, cigarettes... the list really does go on and on. just think it's silly to single out texting. why not outlaw all of these things? and while we are at it we should screen people for ailments or disabilities or disorders that might make them unable to focus all of their attention on driving. like ADD and ADHD for example.

as for drunk driving laws, i think thats a pretty valid one, albeit ineffective.

Bob Dog · 08-30-2009, 02:13 PM

As previously stated the probability of having an accident while texting is just about equal to the probabilty of having of having an accident while driving under the influence.
Your mother probably should have gotten a ticket too. There is a great difference between someone driving with a minor handicap that is not of their making and engaging in a behavior that willfully disregards the well being of others.

RedRide · 08-30-2009, 02:55 PM

How may people have to die before something is important enough to be against the law?
!0? 100? 1000?

Or, perhaps just one....a family member.....a son, daughter, spouse etc?

BTW, I think the PSA (or one like it) sould be required viewing for all new drivers everywhere.
If it upsets some, That's great!
Some people need to be upset to face and reaize the reality of this issue and traffic accidents in general.

SailDesign · 08-30-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by frownonfun

its not that i don't think you probably shouldn't text while driving, it's just i think there are worse things to do behind the wheel of a car. just asking for a little perspective.

Sure - you could be having sex behind the wheel of your car, and it would be more dangerous. But.... do you honestly think that an activity that by its very nature REQUIRES you to be looking down is a good idea?
In the UK, people have been taken to court for as little as eating an apple while driving. "Both hands on the wheel" is the law there, and is taken very seriously by the cops. A bit TOO seriously, IMHO, but there it is.
I feel the PSA is an accurate dramatisation of the way it could go down. Is it pleasant to watch? No. Would the real thing be pleasant to watch, or be involved in? No freakin' way!
I'm kinda glad you live in Texas, where there are (probavbly) fewer cars on hte road than in the NorthEast.

frownonfun · 08-30-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

As previously stated the probability of having an accident while texting is just about equal to the probabilty of having of having an accident while driving under the influence.
Your mother probably should have gotten a ticket too. There is a great difference between someone driving with a minor handicap that is not of their making and engaging in a behavior that willfully disregards the well being of others.

firstly i don't buy that the probability is the same. sorry. not sure how you would even be able to prove that one way or another. secondly, i am getting exhausted from having to point out that there are a shitload of things that people put in their cars these days that cause them to engage in behavior that willfully disregards the well being of others. and yeah the ADD analogy was a stretch i know.

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Originally Posted by RedRide

How may people have to die before something is important enough to be against the law?
!0? 100? 1000?

Or, perhaps just one....a family member.....a son, daughter, spouse etc?

ok not to sound like an asshole but a considerable amount of people. we can't outlaw everything that might cause or has caused a death.

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Originally Posted by RedRide

BTW, I think the PSA (or one like it) sould be required viewing for all new drivers everywhere.
If it upsets some, That's great!
Some people need to be upset to face and reaize the reality of this issue and traffic accidents in general.

and i got no problem with that being shown to people. my issue is that i think it's a waste of time. the target audience it would seem in this particular PSA is teens am i right? teens don't listen to reason. i've been one. i know this to be true. no matter how traumatic the video, it isn't likely to change their minds. not for more than a few hours at best. when i was a teen i always wore my seat belt. i still do. everytime. i feel naked without it. but i didn't wear it because i watched one of those scary videos. i wore it because my dad would kick the shit out of me if he saw me without it on. and eventually it became a habit. so if anything they should show this to parents and hope that they have it in them to kick the shit out of their kids if they are seen texting. but to show it to new drivers is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Sure - you could be having sex behind the wheel of your car, and it would be more dangerous. But.... do you honestly think that an activity that by its very nature REQUIRES you to be looking down is a good idea?
In the UK, people have been taken to court for as little as eating an apple while driving. "Both hands on the wheel" is the law there, and is taken very seriously by the cops. A bit TOO seriously, IMHO, but there it is.
I feel the PSA is an accurate dramatisation of the way it could go down. Is it pleasant to watch? No. Would the real thing be pleasant to watch, or be involved in? No freakin' way!
I'm kinda glad you live in Texas, where there are (probavbly) fewer cars on hte road than in the NorthEast.

again, many things in a car require you to look down. but no it's not a good idea. i'll side with you there. just don't think it should be outlawed as i said. i know in england they are real uptight about that stuff. way too much so. i lived there for three years. funny thing about that though is in three years do you know how many times i was pulled over in the uk? not one time. best i can figure is for the most part all they have is speed cameras over there. no actual cops. unless you don't pay for parking. man then they are all over your ass. anyway i guess that's beside the point but just making an observation.

and yeah my being in texas could be alot of why my opinion differs from most of you. traffic is pretty sparse out here. plus i can't probably name more than five people that i know who don't drink and drive so texting and driving just isnt really on my list of things to go on a crusade about.

Bob Dog · 08-30-2009, 09:35 PM

Boy you really fight hard to keep the privlege to drive like a dangerous self centered fool. Did you say, by way of impilcation, that you drive drunk too, or are you one of the five people you know who doesn't? By the way my statistical source is CBS news, so you can have at them too.

frownonfun · 08-30-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

Boy you really fight hard to keep the privlege to drive like a dangerous self centered fool. Did you say, by way of impilcation, that you drive drunk too, or are you one of the five people you know who doesn't?

i'm not fighting hard for the privilege to drive dangerously. mmmm.... this isn't the political thread and i'm finding it really hard to explain without taking it in that direction so i'm just gonna say i don't think laws should necessarily be passed to force common sense. don't think it works that way.

and as for driving drunk i'm not much of a drinker honestly. plus i've got three kids and no one to watch them so even when i do drink it's at home on my couch.

Bob Dog · 08-30-2009, 10:00 PM

I'm not a fan of any law really, but unfortunatly some laws are needed to keep people from doing things that could result in harm to others, like speed limits to keep people like me from driving faster than we really should, or laws agaist DUI or texting to keep people from acting in a way that is demonstated to dramatically, whatever the statistics, increase the likelyhood of them doing harm to others.

08-30-2009, 02:55 PM	#31
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	How may people have to die before something is important enough to be against the law? !0? 100? 1000? Or, perhaps just one....a family member.....a son, daughter, spouse etc? BTW, I think the PSA (or one like it) sould be required viewing for all new drivers everywhere. If it upsets some, That's great! Some people need to be upset to face and reaize the reality of this issue and traffic accidents in general. Last edited by RedRide; 08-30-2009 at 03:38 PM.

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08-29-2009, 06:22 PM	#19
supmet Banned View User's Garage Drives: 2007 4 Door Yaris Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,357	How about we take away licenses for talking on a phone or texting. First offense no warning. Fines(for every offense, not just cell phone related) should also be based on salary, like in many european countries. I read some dot-commer got a speeding ticket in the tens of thousands of dollars range. Really they just need to make everything stricter and more serious when it comes to driving. You can take away phones but the people texting and swerving will just find something else to distract themselves with - and truth be told I've almost been killed by more soccer moms reaching back to beat their screaming kids than texters.

08-29-2009, 06:34 PM	#20
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	or you could just not buy into propaganda and realize that law enforcement has more important and way more dangerous things to worry about than cell phone abuse while driving. besides cracking down on that would be about as successful as the prohibition of alcohol and the war on drugs i think. EDIT: i should have said legislators have more important things to worry about... but that's probably not true... this is exactly one of those things that gets way too much attention and so in all actuality this is, in fact, something legislators would choose to pass laws on in order to appease the masses. however unnecessary and ineffective it may be.

08-29-2009, 06:42 PM	#21
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	More than once some distracted self centered idiot has alomst crunched into me texting. Yeah, make it really illegal about the same as 20 miles over the limit. Acording to the statistics I've benn reading texter are about 23 times as likely to be involved in an accident, just about the dame as drunks. I also think all fines and legal fees should be based on percentages instead of cash amounts, because if its cash based the really rich can afford to ignore it the way they do everything else: to them its just chump change.

08-29-2009, 07:04 PM	#23
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	What's next? Perhaps we should allow sleeping behind the wheel. When driving, one should devote all attention to driving, no exceptons!

08-29-2009, 10:28 PM	#26
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	i'd like to meet the person who's attention is 100% on driving. honestly i don't think that person exists but i'm sure some of you disagree. which is fine. but my point is you can't go around trying to regulate everything people do behind the wheel that might distract them from driving because that would pretty much include anything that isn't essential to operating the vehicle. its not that i don't think you probably shouldn't text while driving, it's just i think there are worse things to do behind the wheel of a car. just asking for a little perspective.

08-29-2009, 11:33 PM	#27
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	There was train accident fairly recent and it was discoverd that the engineer was texting at the time that he missed a signal to stop ahead. It was never proven that texting was the reason but, you have to seriously consider it. Why do some people feel the need to text while driving?

08-30-2009, 05:23 AM	#28
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	Yeah right, and lets eliminate the drunk driving laws too. As far as I concerned your just making up reasons to rationalize your self indulgent habit that endangers everone else on the highway.

08-30-2009, 01:53 PM	#29
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	well of course i'm rationalizing... and the psa is going a little overboard. much like they all do. i'm also admitting it's something you probably shouldn't do while driving but i just don't think it's a big enough pandemic to go making laws against doing it. just think some folks are a little to law happy is all. i mean do you know how many times i sat in my parents vehicle as a child watching my mother put on makeup while driving. lol. idiotic i know but people do it. long before cell phones even existed people found something to draw their attention away from the road. people will always find something, with or without texting. hands free headsets, stereos, ipods, gps devices, kids, spouses, food, cb radios, cigarettes... the list really does go on and on. just think it's silly to single out texting. why not outlaw all of these things? and while we are at it we should screen people for ailments or disabilities or disorders that might make them unable to focus all of their attention on driving. like ADD and ADHD for example. as for drunk driving laws, i think thats a pretty valid one, albeit ineffective.

08-30-2009, 02:13 PM	#30
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	As previously stated the probability of having an accident while texting is just about equal to the probabilty of having of having an accident while driving under the influence. Your mother probably should have gotten a ticket too. There is a great difference between someone driving with a minor handicap that is not of their making and engaging in a behavior that willfully disregards the well being of others.

08-30-2009, 09:35 PM	#34
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	Boy you really fight hard to keep the privlege to drive like a dangerous self centered fool. Did you say, by way of impilcation, that you drive drunk too, or are you one of the five people you know who doesn't? By the way my statistical source is CBS news, so you can have at them too.

08-30-2009, 10:00 PM	#36
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	I'm not a fan of any law really, but unfortunatly some laws are needed to keep people from doing things that could result in harm to others, like speed limits to keep people like me from driving faster than we really should, or laws agaist DUI or texting to keep people from acting in a way that is demonstated to dramatically, whatever the statistics, increase the likelyhood of them doing harm to others.