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ozmdd · 10-14-2009, 11:48 PM

Tamago: Well, the letter-of-the-law is clearly in my favor on the RSB, but the SCCA official who determines these things at the national level determined the interpretation to be a little looser than the strict "from the factory" wording.

Regarding the tC upgrades at Autox, I'd also say the TRD springs and maybe clutch would be potential improvements. I'd need more info on the clutch, but the springs are stiffer and lower. The tC comes with an RSB, right?

Yaris-X, you've got to recognize the issue of unsprung weight. 18's are CRAZY heavy, both rims and tires. The stiffer sidewall in no way offsets the weight gain. Purely a cosmetic upgrade.

Tamago · 10-14-2009, 11:54 PM

how is a clutch going to make the car faster ?

ozmdd · 10-14-2009, 11:57 PM

C'mon, you're just being difficult now.

Less-clutch slip=faster off the line. Again, that's under the assumption that the TRD clutch is higher friction, which it might not be.

Tamago · 10-15-2009, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmdd

C'mon, you're just being difficult now.

Less-clutch slip=faster off the line. Again, that's under the assumption that the TRD clutch is higher friction, which it might not be.

stiffer clutch = heavier clutch.

have i done the math well enough for you?

frownonfun · 10-15-2009, 01:41 AM

i think, though i'm not for sure, you are talking about a difference of around 5lbs between the stock and TRD clutch.

ozmdd · 10-15-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

stiffer clutch = heavier clutch.

have i done the math well enough for you?

Ahh.. for all your knowledge, you just couldn't fit people skills into the mix, eh? I suppose the sky isn't really blue, either.

Tamago · 10-15-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmdd

Ahh.. for all your knowledge, you just couldn't fit people skills into the mix, eh? I suppose the sky isn't really blue, either.

nope, the sky is black! :D

bearda · 10-15-2009, 08:02 PM

Those are all port installed options? I was under the impression most of those were dealer installed. Items like that seem to be dealer installed for almost every other car (Nismo, SPI, Mazdaspeed, etc).

mikenacarato · 10-15-2009, 08:21 PM

The dealer said that TRD parts (if you build your car) are installed overseas at the factory. At the same time they can be ordered and installed at a local dealer as well.

cali yaris · 10-15-2009, 09:54 PM

The TRD clutch for the Scion tC is definitely stiffer. I have a car in my shop with that upgrade.

mikenacarato · 10-16-2009, 10:22 AM

the TRD clutch for the 1nzfe says it has 15% more clamping force. I would think it would feel somewhat different.

Tamago · 10-16-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikenacarato

the TRD clutch for the 1nzfe says it has 15% more clamping force. I would think it would feel somewhat different.

15% what a waste...

and it will never make you faster at autocross. autocross is not about the launch.

Yaris-x · 10-16-2009, 12:22 PM

With Scion and toyota they make certain bolt on parts available at port for two reasons so dealerships don't have to pay a Tech to install them and so there for they are more profitable and as a result they cost less to the customer as well (no labor cost) I know as a salesman I much prefer to have the parts installed at port I make more comission

Jason@SportsCar · 10-22-2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamago

read the part in bold.

TRD rear sway bars are NOT provided by the factory. it's just a rebadged bar from Hotchkis or similar.

he's still wrong, and you're still right

Doug is not wrong. It does not matter who the part is from, only that the factory spec'd it - and it is the part they spec'd.

There are a number of cars, both OE and Port built, that have come with "after market" items like Koni shocks, Torsen LSDs. The stock legal Mazdaspeed Protege is a Racing Beat parts bin car.

You don't actually think Toyota builds all the parts on the car?

mikenacarato · 10-22-2009, 01:20 AM

jason, glad to have you here. thanks for clarifying this with us. one thing though....tamago is always right...no matter how wrong he is. you will see.

but anyways, welcome!
I <3 SCCA! :)

HTM Yaris · 11-03-2009, 09:54 PM

Mini's can be beat in H stock by the Yaris . I have done it on more than a few occasions .

Yaris-x · 11-05-2009, 11:38 AM

Any vehicle can be beat but at that point it comes down to Driver Skill. On a level skill field the mini will beat the yaris every time

HTM Yaris · 11-09-2009, 11:59 AM

I dunno , I've driven my GF's mini on the same day and course as my Yaris with the same wheels/tires , about as even as you can get . The Yaris was .2 seconds faster . I did 4 runs (fun runs) with the mini . Twice the mini's power steering failed , or rather hiccuped .

I think the mini is over rated . A lot of peeps see what the mini s is capable of and think the mini (regular) will do the same thing or even close . It won't .

Sidebar mini rant :

Be glad you own a Yaris . My GF's mini has 55,000 miles on it . So far the transmission ($8800) , power steering ($1100) ,and rear brakes ( calipers , pads , rotors and sensor , $1300 ) have been replaced . Luckily the tranny was covered by the extended warranty . ( Damn , price wise , we not far away from a brand new Yaris )
Like I tell my GF , "If you take a pile of shit and put it in a pretty package and throw in the phrase German Engineering , white people will buy it ".

I totally agree that a skilled driver in a supposedly slower car will be faster than a non skilled driver in a supposedly faster car on an Autox course .

Sorry for getting off topic with the rant .

Oh BTW , killer pics Yaris X

10-15-2009, 01:41 AM	#23
frownonfun View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris HB, 08 SR5 Tundra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RGV, Texas Posts: 1,086	i think, though i'm not for sure, you are talking about a difference of around 5lbs between the stock and TRD clutch. __________________ I crush you like tiny clown car, because you are clown, yes?

10-15-2009, 08:02 PM	#26
bearda View User's Garage Drives: 2006 Mazda3 Sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 116	Those are all port installed options? I was under the impression most of those were dealer installed. Items like that seem to be dealer installed for almost every other car (Nismo, SPI, Mazdaspeed, etc). __________________

10-15-2009, 09:54 PM	#28
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	The TRD clutch for the Scion tC is definitely stiffer. I have a car in my shop with that upgrade. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

11-03-2009, 09:54 PM	#34
HTM Yaris resident senior View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south Carolina Posts: 814	Mini's can be beat in H stock by the Yaris . I have done it on more than a few occasions . __________________

11-05-2009, 11:38 AM	#35
Yaris-x Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Syracuse Posts: 101	Any vehicle can be beat but at that point it comes down to Driver Skill. On a level skill field the mini will beat the yaris every time __________________

10-14-2009, 11:48 PM	#19
ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	Tamago: Well, the letter-of-the-law is clearly in my favor on the RSB, but the SCCA official who determines these things at the national level determined the interpretation to be a little looser than the strict "from the factory" wording. Regarding the tC upgrades at Autox, I'd also say the TRD springs and maybe clutch would be potential improvements. I'd need more info on the clutch, but the springs are stiffer and lower. The tC comes with an RSB, right? Yaris-X, you've got to recognize the issue of unsprung weight. 18's are CRAZY heavy, both rims and tires. The stiffer sidewall in no way offsets the weight gain. Purely a cosmetic upgrade.

10-14-2009, 11:57 PM	#21
ozmdd Reluctantly Crouched... Drives: 2008 Yaris HB M/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 867	C'mon, you're just being difficult now. Less-clutch slip=faster off the line. Again, that's under the assumption that the TRD clutch is higher friction, which it might not be.

10-15-2009, 08:21 PM	#27
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	The dealer said that TRD parts (if you build your car) are installed overseas at the factory. At the same time they can be ordered and installed at a local dealer as well.

10-16-2009, 10:22 AM	#29
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	the TRD clutch for the 1nzfe says it has 15% more clamping force. I would think it would feel somewhat different.

10-16-2009, 12:22 PM	#31
Yaris-x Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Syracuse Posts: 101	With Scion and toyota they make certain bolt on parts available at port for two reasons so dealerships don't have to pay a Tech to install them and so there for they are more profitable and as a result they cost less to the customer as well (no labor cost) I know as a salesman I much prefer to have the parts installed at port I make more comission

10-22-2009, 01:20 AM	#33
mikenacarato SIPNDEW View User's Garage Drives: 15 STI Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,281	jason, glad to have you here. thanks for clarifying this with us. one thing though....tamago is always right...no matter how wrong he is. you will see. but anyways, welcome! I <3 SCCA! :)

11-09-2009, 11:59 AM	#36
HTM Yaris resident senior View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south Carolina Posts: 814	I dunno , I've driven my GF's mini on the same day and course as my Yaris with the same wheels/tires , about as even as you can get . The Yaris was .2 seconds faster . I did 4 runs (fun runs) with the mini . Twice the mini's power steering failed , or rather hiccuped . I think the mini is over rated . A lot of peeps see what the mini s is capable of and think the mini (regular) will do the same thing or even close . It won't . Sidebar mini rant : Be glad you own a Yaris . My GF's mini has 55,000 miles on it . So far the transmission ($8800) , power steering ($1100) ,and rear brakes ( calipers , pads , rotors and sensor , $1300 ) have been replaced . Luckily the tranny was covered by the extended warranty . ( Damn , price wise , we not far away from a brand new Yaris ) Like I tell my GF , "If you take a pile of shit and put it in a pretty package and throw in the phrase German Engineering , white people will buy it ". I totally agree that a skilled driver in a supposedly slower car will be faster than a non skilled driver in a supposedly faster car on an Autox course . Sorry for getting off topic with the rant . Oh BTW , killer pics Yaris X __________________

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