Read This Before Buying a Hybrid/Diesel/Electric

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Wow.


And my co-workers with TDI Jettas have been complaining about the five-cent premium over gas up in the great-white north...


The USA's heavy subsidization of consumerism (and especially gasoline) is at the heart of the crazy diesel prices, I would suspect. Truckers don't work for free, and diesel, IIRC, is cheaper to make than gas.

I would be interested to hear what you mean by heavy subsidization? So you mean ethanol?

[bronsin]

I see you are from Sudbury.

I rode my motorcycle through there in 2000.

I bought gas and when I rode out of the station there was this rock wall in front of me with all this crazy stress fractures in it. I knew something happened a long time ago but wondered what it was.

I since read a meteor hit there billions of years ago.

Know anything about that?

[goliath1812]

I'm actually looking pretty hard into the Prius C. Why buy a new Yaris for 16k or more, if you can spend 19k and get a Prius with much better mileage? That's nowhere near a $10,000 premium..

[bronsin]

Remember you will only save $2000 in fuel over 100,000 miles with the Prius C, compared with the Yaris.

Plus the car is more complicated and possibly trouble even if its under warranty. Can anyone but Toyota fix it? Can THEY fix it? Its more complicated and mechanics can have trouble enough with a regular car.

Still the Prius has been largely trouble free...

IF you could not buy a Yaris for less than $16,000 AND you could get a Prius for $19,000 (we're talking bottom line not advertised prices here which mean nothing)
then youve got something realistic.

Not saving any money and its going to costs you $$$$ more all the same...

[bronsin]

Hmm Motortrend says MSRP of the Prius C is $24,000-$29400.

Looks like the parties over....

[goliath1812]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Hmm Motortrend says MSRP of the Prius C is $24,000-$29400.

Looks like the parties over....

I test drove a Prius C last night at my dealership. They quoted me a little over $19k ($19,400 ish)... MSRP being in the $18,000 area..

Toyota site has it starting at 18,950

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by goliath1812

I test drove a Prius C last night at my dealership. They quoted me a little over $19k ($19,400 ish)... MSRP being in the $18,000 area..

Toyota site has it starting at 18,950

I would recommend to anyone to try buying a new car from Carmax if your local dealers are being buttheads about the price. You don't have to haggle about the cost and you always pay less than sticker. Depending on the model and the inventory, you can get a very good deal.

Some people don't know they sell new cars but they have a few lots in the US that do. Fly in, taxi over, and drive home with some savings.

And for those who say the dealer won't service the car if it wasn't bought there, you are wrong. Any dealer can submit warranty work to Toyota and they will treat you very well. Just don't go there once the warranty has expired because they will screw you more than obama is screwing the country!

Here is the link: http://www.carmax.com/enus/search-re...6-0acf3715c48d

[goliath1812]

I see your point. And the fuel savings increase as the prices at the pumps increase also...but even with $5 gas, it's still only a $2500 savings over that same 100,000 miles...

I'm also looking long term here, my Yaris is 5 years old and has 100,000 miles, I'm expecting to get no less than 150,000 - 200,000 out of it.... I would be expecting to do the same with a Prius... and the Prius will come with additional features the Yaris does not have (little things like keyless entry, telescoping steering wheel, etc.)

heck maybe i'll just look for another low mileage used yaris...although it seems its hard to find 5 door Yariis around here....

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by goliath1812

heck maybe i'll just look for another low mileage used yaris...although it seems its hard to find 5 door Yariis around here....

There you go...the cheapest, most reliable, cost effective transportation there is.

I bought a 2000 ECHO for my son five years ago for $3000 with 117k on it.

Its nearly 190,000k now with two trips across the country and back from NJ on it.

Just tires, oil changes, brake pads, sparkplugs and a MAF sensor.

My son and his GF are in awe of the car. Its been confortable, cheap to run, they can count on it, and theyve had two awesome experiences cross country with it.

HE EVEN CHANGED THE OIL ALL BY HIMSELF LAST WEEK!

[bronsin]

Yaris L $14,115 on their website.

[goliath1812]

Trying to keep to a 5 door (apples to apples as the Prius doesn't come in 2 door)...5 door L $15140.

So a $3-4k difference doesn't seem like a lot....over time.

[curtmaxwall]

I am going for Toyota Prius mainly due to its design, features, safety and above all its marketing strategies, "having 1 tone of CO2 less than an equivalent family vehicle with a diesel engine".

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by curtmaxwall

I am going for Toyota Prius mainly due to its design, features, safety and above all its marketing strategies, "having 1 tone of CO2 less than an equivalent family vehicle with a diesel engine".

Got news for you one volcano eruption puts out more CO2 than all the cars that ever existed in the history of the world ever put out...

Plus more than that weight of other even more nasty stuff.

When the Prius came out (in 2000?) the Germans didnt build one because they couldnt believe anyone would be dumb enough to buy one when they could buy a diesel engine car and use cheaper fuel in it.

That has changed...

[sherryberry]

I got my prius because my old yaris is a 2 door and since I just had a baby, there was no way I was moving the seat back every time I had to get to the car seat. Plus, my husband needed a new car since his was so old and it has more room for him so he can also use it for his jobs.

[bronsin]

I wish you luck with the Prius. Did you give the Yaris to your husband?

What kind of mileage does the Prius get?

[sherryberry]

No. My husband has the Prius because he is going to be taking care of our daughter. We're only getting 42 mpg right now with the Prius. Toyota says they tested it at 50 mpg. I think it's my husband's crazy driving :) Either way, it's better than our yaris. I get about 34 mpg when it's cold outside

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by sherryberry

No. My husband has the Prius because he is going to be taking care of our daughter. We're only getting 42 mpg right now with the Prius. Toyota says they tested it at 50 mpg. I think it's my husband's crazy driving :) Either way, it's better than our yaris. I get about 34 mpg when it's cold outside

The Prius gets its best mpg in city driving when the battery can kick in for short periods. On the highway where the engine would run all the time it the mileage is lower.

To get the most out of it you have to work at driving it. I have a feeling a Prius site would be able to explain how.

[why?]

Originally Posted by bronsin

The Prius gets its best mpg in city driving when the battery can kick in for short periods. On the highway where the engine would run all the time it the mileage is lower.

To get the most out of it you have to work at driving it. I have a feeling a Prius site would be able to explain how.

better to go to a hyper miler site. Eco modder or fuelly or one of those. The Prius requires a totally different way of thinking to get the crazy gas mileage it advertises. But once you can do that you can get much better than advertised. People were claiming 70mpg and more for the old Prius, once the hypermilers get their hands on the C, that is just the beginning.