Liftback - Easiest Way to Get a Tach and Cruise Control... - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

weeze-dog · 06-24-2006, 05:04 PM

actually, the liftback really should have been released under the scion brand here (with a corresponding name change).
The liftback and sedan are two totally different cars, developed by different teams, with two totally different personalities.
Toyota Marketing VP Jim Farley states "Yaris is for mainstream customers. Scion is more expressive."
The liftback is anything but "mainstream", it is much more like a scion brand car, much more "expressive" as they dub the scion brand than the blander Toyota, due mainly to its european design.
I think the liftback appeals to a much younger audience than the sedan, and with its unique interior design and low price, its definately targeted to the scion buyer than the average toyota buyer. Per toyota, the average age of a toyota buyer is 48 years old. This car is NOT targeted to a 48 year old.

wlfpck · 06-24-2006, 10:47 PM

theres a couple aftermarket companies that sells tachs. All you have to do is buy a housing if one is not included.

TenTwelve · 06-28-2006, 04:55 PM

So, the Sedan custer will not work in the hatch? I registered to find this out specifically since I'm looking at the hatch and I too am quite disappointed in the "no tach" cluster.

weeze-dog · 06-28-2006, 08:09 PM

apparantly not, a user was told that the connectors are different on the sedan cluster. Plus if you look at the sedan and liftback, the dash trim around the cluster does not appear to be the same shape in both models so the cluster may not even fit.

fred812 · 06-29-2006, 11:07 AM

I liked that link it takes you right to toyota, It didnt look like a link so here it is again from weeze-dog http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/t...nduser/ask.php I want my 2008 to have it all!
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Don Mason · 09-06-2006, 07:49 PM

Greetings,

Having a tach in my Hatchback would be nice, but I simply follow the owners manual recommendations.

Maximum speed in first gear is 30 MPH

Max in second gear is 59 MPH

Max in third gear is 84 MPH.

I seldom have to wind 'er up that much to get where I'm going.

Cheers!

ChinoCharles · 09-06-2006, 08:48 PM

I think it is total bullshit that this car comes with no tachometer also. Its 2006 people, man went to the moon and I thought owners and manufacturers had a fucking understanding that MANUAL CARS SHOULD DISPLAY THEIR CURRENT RPM! I don't understand it at all. I made a fuss about a tach when I first got the car, but I was told it was a part of the power package and liftbacks weren't coming with that. (I pretty much bitched up a storm about every feature in that package)

Would HONDA ever do this? HELL NO, that is why Toyota is still that step behind.

Having said that, you still wouldn't catch me alive, dead, or otherwise in a Fit!

Pars · 09-07-2006, 12:19 AM

I agree. Put the fucking tack in damit!

Up here in Canada, we're used to getting short changed when our dollar value was low. Now that that American dollar isn't doing that well, we're seeing the same thing down south. The company is penny pinching to get the profet margin above the line. Even so, if the car is manual, it needs a Tach. No execuse. period.

TrancosRt · 09-07-2006, 07:54 PM

I've been always driving manual without a tach, so I don't have much of problem. It would have been nice, but nothing I can do now since I have the car already, right?

argylesocks · 09-07-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jedi1701

I ageee with all of this but I also have to put in my 2 cents, well maybe 3,

I know I will get hell from this but , I don't find the lack of a tach or cruise control a bad thing , What made me buy this car in the first place is the back to basic type of setup. I owned alot of VW bugs from a 1960 to a 1973 and none of them ever had cruise or a tach as an option when they were new.

Don't get me wrong I am not ready to bring back 8 tracks or anything like that but I think we are alittle spoiled. Maybe we are just not ready to go back to the basics and maybe we never will be.

I am sorry but I really love this little car just the way it is.

agree 100%. this aint a race car. its an econo-car. really no need for a tach. if you driving it hard enough that you need to know where redline is, then you bought the wrong car.

Billstein · 09-07-2006, 10:01 PM

I asked when they were going to relese the Yaris D4 in the U.S.

Pars · 09-07-2006, 11:13 PM

If the Yaris can't handle being redlined, and the redline is just for show, why bother buying a Toyota? when I know the Honda engine is quite at home at high rpms and can still return the same fuel efficiency.

My last car was a 98 Civic. Bought it new for $14K CAD and it had a Tachometer. The car got redlined on a regular basis and would stay above 5000rpm to redline for extended period. Considering that the 98 Civic was able to handle 300,000km of extreme driving without any problems, I'd like to think that my 07 Yaris is just as capable.

I just don't understand how any Manual driver, who knows how to get the most out of an engine, can say that a Tachometer is not necessary. If the excuse is that engine can't handle it, I'm reluctant to believe that since I think Toyota's engine is just as good as Honda.

Also, a tachometer isn't just useful for aggressive driving, it can also be a saftey feature. In the sense that it promotes downshifting. In my case, if I percieve a difficult situation up ahead on the road, the first thing I'd do is downshift while maintaining the speed. That way, I'm already on tap for better braking or acceleration. Granted, you could still downshift without a tachometer, but how much? You realy need to be above 4000rpm for it to matter, so is that 2 or 3 gears down? If you don't know..then you probably don't have a tachometer, or you wouldn't even know what do with it if you had one.

How about fuel economy? The way to get good economy is to keep the rpms as low as possible (without straining the engine). So, how are you going to do that if you don't even know what rpm you're in? Or if you want to rev-match because you've been coasting in neutral, it's not going to be smooth unless you know your rpm.

I probably could write a book about the advantage of manual transmission over automatic, but without a tachometer, you might as well be driving the stupid automatic.

argylesocks · 09-08-2006, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pars

Also, a tachometer isn't just useful for aggressive driving, it can also be a saftey feature. In the sense that it promotes downshifting. In my case, if I percieve a difficult situation up ahead on the road, the first thing I'd do is downshift while maintaining the speed. That way, I'm already on tap for better braking or acceleration. Granted, you could still downshift without a tachometer, but how much? You realy need to be above 4000rpm for it to matter, so is that 2 or 3 gears down? If you don't know..then you probably don't have a tachometer, or you wouldn't even know what do with it if you had one.

How about fuel economy? The way to get good economy is to keep the rpms as low as possible (without straining the engine). So, how are you going to do that if you don't even know what rpm you're in? Or if you want to rev-match because you've been coasting in neutral, it's not going to be smooth unless you know your rpm.:

i have always had a tach...and i have NO PROBLEM knowing when to shift (up or down) in the Yaris. While i cant tell you the exact RPM of my engine at any given time, i certainly know approximately where it is, and when it would be better to shift. You dont need a tach to know you are winding out your engine...

would i rather have a tach? yeah sure. does it matter to me on THIS car? no, not really. im certainly not going to go all fast & furious, and put one on my A-pillar.

Pars · 09-08-2006, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by argylesocks

i have always had a tach...and i have NO PROBLEM knowing when to shift (up or down) in the Yaris. While i cant tell you the exact RPM of my engine at any given time, i certainly know approximately where it is, and when it would be better to shift. You dont need a tach to know you are winding out your engine...

would i rather have a tach? yeah sure. does it matter to me on THIS car? no, not really. im certainly not going to go all fast & furious, and put one on my A-pillar.

I've always had a tach and 60% of time (when I'm cruising and not paying attention to my driving) I don't use it. Even then, occationaly, I'll need the tach, cause when I tune back in to check on the engine, a quick look at the tach gives me all the info I need.

I suppose you might be a more attentive driver then myself, especially when I'm in la-la land, but when things starts to go on the boil, the tach is a very useful tool. And, the "this kind of car" comment has no basis, because the other kind of car (probably something design for the race track) would be too fast for the streets to require the use of a Tachometer.

ex_MGB · 09-09-2006, 02:06 AM

I'm an old Vdub owner as well. Driven manuals forever. I think its kinda retro cool that Toyota did not put a tach in nor a cruise control.

Truth be told, it's not hard to memorize your speed/gear/rpm relationship. With high rpm fuel cut-off you don't have to worry about blowing the engine.

Back in the day there was a thing called "tuned" exhaust. You knew your engine rpm by the sound of the exhaust. That's when drivers enjoyed the sound and subtle mechanical feedback of their car and a lot of cars didn't have radios.

As for cruise control, a Yaris is not exactly what I'd take on a 700 mile run on an interstate.

dbaxter · 09-09-2006, 01:07 PM

Hate to say folks but they are not going to change this. Its worth a shot but they are not going to put one in, well not unless you pay for it.

Toyota and all makers for some dumb reason do this for manual. Funnier that they put tachs on autos.

I had a 1990 toyota tercel that was a manual without a tach. my poor wife had to learn how to drive a manual without a tach, personally its the best way. You learn how to change gears by ear.

Pars · 09-09-2006, 05:13 PM

Honda used to have their low end model tack-less

But for the last 2 generations of Civic, they've included Tachometer in all their Civics.

Personally, If my 5dr Yaris didn't have a Tachometer, I would now be driving the Honda Fit. Back in 98, I was set on buyinh a Civic DX Coupe, but when I learned that Coupe version didn't have a Tacometer, while the Hatchback version did, I ended up buying the hatchback. (which was an added bonus since the Hatch ended up being much nicer then the coupe).

DonnyRebel · 09-09-2006, 06:23 PM

What the hell are you people thinking???? If you wanted a performance car, you wasted your money big time! Do you actually think most potential buyers care if it has a tachometer or not?

The Yaris is an econo-car.

!!!GET OVER IT!!!!

09-06-2006, 07:49 PM	#24
Don Mason Drives: Yaris Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: southern california Posts: 7	Owners Manual Says Greetings, Having a tach in my Hatchback would be nice, but I simply follow the owners manual recommendations. Maximum speed in first gear is 30 MPH Max in second gear is 59 MPH Max in third gear is 84 MPH. I seldom have to wind 'er up that much to get where I'm going. Cheers!

09-07-2006, 10:01 PM	#29
Billstein Whew Who.. Drives: 2 Yaris Hatchs and Tacoma Join Date: May 2006 Location: So. Ca. Posts: 78	I asked when they were going to relese the Yaris D4 in the U.S. __________________ "HERS"2007 Yaris Hatch BlazzingBlue Power everything Sirius Radio FullSyn Oil 50% tint windshild35% front 5% rear Keyless Entry Alum TRD Shift Knob TRD Exh Tip 17" racing harts/Falkins TRD Cold Air Intake "HIS"2007 Yaris Hatch MedSilverMetallicPower PQ Package 17" Wheels Spoiler TRD ExhTipStiletto100 Radio Armrest 50% tint windshild 35% front windows 5% rear Aluminum TRD Shift Knob Keyless Entry VIP Alarm TRD Cold Air Intake

09-07-2006, 11:13 PM	#30
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	If the Yaris can't handle being redlined, and the redline is just for show, why bother buying a Toyota? when I know the Honda engine is quite at home at high rpms and can still return the same fuel efficiency. My last car was a 98 Civic. Bought it new for $14K CAD and it had a Tachometer. The car got redlined on a regular basis and would stay above 5000rpm to redline for extended period. Considering that the 98 Civic was able to handle 300,000km of extreme driving without any problems, I'd like to think that my 07 Yaris is just as capable. I just don't understand how any Manual driver, who knows how to get the most out of an engine, can say that a Tachometer is not necessary. If the excuse is that engine can't handle it, I'm reluctant to believe that since I think Toyota's engine is just as good as Honda. Also, a tachometer isn't just useful for aggressive driving, it can also be a saftey feature. In the sense that it promotes downshifting. In my case, if I percieve a difficult situation up ahead on the road, the first thing I'd do is downshift while maintaining the speed. That way, I'm already on tap for better braking or acceleration. Granted, you could still downshift without a tachometer, but how much? You realy need to be above 4000rpm for it to matter, so is that 2 or 3 gears down? If you don't know..then you probably don't have a tachometer, or you wouldn't even know what do with it if you had one. How about fuel economy? The way to get good economy is to keep the rpms as low as possible (without straining the engine). So, how are you going to do that if you don't even know what rpm you're in? Or if you want to rev-match because you've been coasting in neutral, it's not going to be smooth unless you know your rpm. I probably could write a book about the advantage of manual transmission over automatic, but without a tachometer, you might as well be driving the stupid automatic. Last edited by Pars; 09-07-2006 at 11:29 PM.

09-09-2006, 01:07 PM	#34
dbaxter Evil Kitty Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback A4 AB/Red Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 55	Hate to say folks but they are not going to change this. Its worth a shot but they are not going to put one in, well not unless you pay for it. Toyota and all makers for some dumb reason do this for manual. Funnier that they put tachs on autos. I had a 1990 toyota tercel that was a manual without a tach. my poor wife had to learn how to drive a manual without a tach, personally its the best way. You learn how to change gears by ear. __________________ 07 Yaris A4 Absolute Red: No mods "YET" 04 GTO www.purplegto.com 01 Camaro SS Convertible SLP#1331 http://www.2001CamaroSS.com

09-09-2006, 06:23 PM	#36
DonnyRebel 1st Time Toyota Owner Drives: 2007 Meteorite Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NW Suburban Chicago Posts: 43	Yaris Tachometer? What the hell are you people thinking???? If you wanted a performance car, you wasted your money big time! Do you actually think most potential buyers care if it has a tachometer or not? The Yaris is an econo-car. !!!GET OVER IT!!!! __________________ "Success isn't permanent, and failure isn't fatal" - Mike Ditka "Clown Car" - 07 3dr Yaris "Redneck Roadster" - 04 Chevy SSR "Wife's Ride" - 03 Honda Accord EX

06-24-2006, 05:04 PM	#19
weeze-dog Drives: 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 57	actually, the liftback really should have been released under the scion brand here (with a corresponding name change). The liftback and sedan are two totally different cars, developed by different teams, with two totally different personalities. Toyota Marketing VP Jim Farley states "Yaris is for mainstream customers. Scion is more expressive." The liftback is anything but "mainstream", it is much more like a scion brand car, much more "expressive" as they dub the scion brand than the blander Toyota, due mainly to its european design. I think the liftback appeals to a much younger audience than the sedan, and with its unique interior design and low price, its definately targeted to the scion buyer than the average toyota buyer. Per toyota, the average age of a toyota buyer is 48 years old. This car is NOT targeted to a 48 year old.

06-24-2006, 10:47 PM	#20
wlfpck Drives: 91 cb7 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 37	theres a couple aftermarket companies that sells tachs. All you have to do is buy a housing if one is not included.

06-28-2006, 04:55 PM	#21
TenTwelve I've made a post! Drives: No Yaris yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1	So, the Sedan custer will not work in the hatch? I registered to find this out specifically since I'm looking at the hatch and I too am quite disappointed in the "no tach" cluster.

06-28-2006, 08:09 PM	#22
weeze-dog Drives: 2002 Ford Focus ZX3 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 57	apparantly not, a user was told that the connectors are different on the sedan cluster. Plus if you look at the sedan and liftback, the dash trim around the cluster does not appear to be the same shape in both models so the cluster may not even fit.

06-29-2006, 11:07 AM	#23
fred812 Authorized User Drives: 2007 5 spd Hatch White Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: pa Posts: 117	I liked that link it takes you right to toyota, It didnt look like a link so here it is again from weeze-dog http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/t...nduser/ask.php I want my 2008 to have it all! F

09-06-2006, 08:48 PM	#25
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	I think it is total bullshit that this car comes with no tachometer also. Its 2006 people, man went to the moon and I thought owners and manufacturers had a fucking understanding that MANUAL CARS SHOULD DISPLAY THEIR CURRENT RPM! I don't understand it at all. I made a fuss about a tach when I first got the car, but I was told it was a part of the power package and liftbacks weren't coming with that. (I pretty much bitched up a storm about every feature in that package) Would HONDA ever do this? HELL NO, that is why Toyota is still that step behind. Having said that, you still wouldn't catch me alive, dead, or otherwise in a Fit!

09-07-2006, 12:19 AM	#26
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	I agree. Put the fucking tack in damit! Up here in Canada, we're used to getting short changed when our dollar value was low. Now that that American dollar isn't doing that well, we're seeing the same thing down south. The company is penny pinching to get the profet margin above the line. Even so, if the car is manual, it needs a Tach. No execuse. period.

09-07-2006, 07:54 PM	#27
TrancosRt View User's Garage Drives: 07 Silver HB Yaris Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: S Florida Posts: 289	I've been always driving manual without a tach, so I don't have much of problem. It would have been nice, but nothing I can do now since I have the car already, right?

09-09-2006, 02:06 AM	#33
ex_MGB I've made a post! Drives: '97 Max SE 5-sd, '01 Miata SE Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 1	I'm an old Vdub owner as well. Driven manuals forever. I think its kinda retro cool that Toyota did not put a tach in nor a cruise control. Truth be told, it's not hard to memorize your speed/gear/rpm relationship. With high rpm fuel cut-off you don't have to worry about blowing the engine. Back in the day there was a thing called "tuned" exhaust. You knew your engine rpm by the sound of the exhaust. That's when drivers enjoyed the sound and subtle mechanical feedback of their car and a lot of cars didn't have radios. As for cruise control, a Yaris is not exactly what I'd take on a 700 mile run on an interstate.

09-09-2006, 05:13 PM	#35
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	Honda used to have their low end model tack-less But for the last 2 generations of Civic, they've included Tachometer in all their Civics. Personally, If my 5dr Yaris didn't have a Tachometer, I would now be driving the Honda Fit. Back in 98, I was set on buyinh a Civic DX Coupe, but when I learned that Coupe version didn't have a Tacometer, while the Hatchback version did, I ended up buying the hatchback. (which was an added bonus since the Hatch ended up being much nicer then the coupe).