Keyless question

[lita_g]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Sounds like you should have just bought the $35 kit and spent the 30 minutes it takes to put it on.

That's what I thought after finding out it was so cheap and that the dealership would refuse to install the toyota system. I guess I didn't think they would be so incompetent.

CTScott, thanks for the pix! I'll get a print of it and show those morons that it's not ok to assume something is fixed just by installing a new unit.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by lita_g

I also tried locking with the fob after it wouldn't unlock and it still didn't unlock, so yes, I tried that, which makes it seem to me like they did something wrong in the installation, otherwise it would do what yours does. And when I lock the doors with the remote when the doors are open, it doesn't unlock them after they're closed either.

OK - We have the solution. After Sodium Duck and I finished installing the remote starter / Keyless Entry on his 2008 Liftback we were able to recreate the exact issue (unintentionally, as that is how all aftermarket and DIY wiring documents indicated to wire it). We found that the issue was that the unlock wire should not be the orange wire in the dirver's side kick panel, but rather the green wire. The image below indicates the correct wires to use for lock and unlock. When the orange wire is used all doors unlock with a single pulse, but if someone manually locks the door with the door button, you can not unlock them with the remote. When the correct wire is used (the green one) the driver's door unlocks with the first pulse (i.e. click of the unlock button of the remote) and the rest unlock on the second pulse. With both his Valet and my Ultra Start we were able to program the systems to put out two pulses on one click, as we both prefer a single click unlocking all doors.

So, give the picture below to your installer, and you will be all set...

[Sodium Duck]

Well Lita, they're not exactly morons -- the directions indicated to use the incorrect wires from the start. That's why me and Scott had created the same issue for ourselves. They did exactly what they were supposed to, it's more or less the companies fault for putting out the wrong instructions.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by Sodium Duck

Well Lita, they're not exactly morons -- the directions indicated to use the incorrect wires from the start. That's why me and Scott had created the same issue for ourselves. They did exactly what they were supposed to, it's more or less the companies fault for putting out the wrong instructions.

My kit told me to use the correct wires that you have listed in the picture. If I were you, I would contact the company that made your kit and tell them that their instructions are wrong.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

My kit told me to use the correct wires that you have listed in the picture. If I were you, I would contact the company that made your kit and tell them that their instructions are wrong.

Definitely. Save others the hassle. What brand was yours?

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by CTScott

Definitely. Save others the hassle. What brand was yours?

I got it from a1electric...cant remember right off hand what the brand was. I know it wasnt the Valet 712. a1electric sent me a wiring diagram that was specific to Toyotas.

[lita_g]

Well, I think I could call them morons considering that they immediately thought that just by changing the unit the problem would be fixed, and didn't even bother to test it after switching the unit 2 times. If they're not morons, then they are still missing something. Even if they followed incorrect instructions, after knowing about the issue and being requested to fix it 2 times, I think they should have at least tried some troubleshooting, instead of just leaving me stuck with a unit that not only has the same problem, but works worse than the first one they installed.

[Sodium Duck]

Well fortunately, all they have to do is change one simple wire over.

[lita_g]

Hopefully they'll understand that, otherwise I'll try to get my money back.

[IllusionX]

i skipped alot of reading... but just so you guys know. if you lock the doors with the powerlocks (keyless or door switch), toyota has made it so that the door switch will not unlock any doors after the door has been closed. I last tried the system, it would still not unlock, even if you didn't use the switch to lock the doors, 1 min you have opened and closed the the door.

it is a security feature so that people cannot unlock the doors by sliding through the window and pushing the button.


so.... if your aftermarket keyless entry is wired to the switch, then it's done wrong.

btw, for those who haven't noticed. if your car come with factory power door locks. using your key to unlock from the driver's side TWICE unlocks all the doors, or passenger door with the key once locks/unlocks all the doors. and driver's side with key locks all the doors.
Those are probably the wires you should wired to (my guess is those wires Scott's picture is showing us)

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by IllusionX

i skipped alot of reading... but just so you guys know. if you lock the doors with the powerlocks (keyless or door switch), toyota has made it so that the door switch will not unlock any doors after the door has been closed. I last tried the system, it would still not unlock, even if you didn't use the switch to lock the doors, 1 min you have opened and closed the the door.

it is a security feature so that people cannot unlock the doors by sliding through the window and pushing the button.


so.... if your aftermarket keyless entry is wired to the switch, then it's done wrong.

btw, for those who haven't noticed. if your car come with factory power door locks. using your key to unlock from the driver's side TWICE unlocks all the doors, or passenger door with the key once locks/unlocks all the doors. and driver's side with key locks all the doors.
Those are probably the wires you should wired to (my guess is those wires Scott's picture is showing us)

Correct on all accounts. And, your explanation answers the question as to why the system behaves as it does when the wrong wire is used.

[IllusionX]

that's because for years, see decades, keyless entries has been wired this way.. with the lock/unlock switches.

back in the days, keys did not activate the door locks. OH WELL!!!!

[lita_g]

Thanks everybody and thanks CTScott and Sodium Duck, just an update, I went to the dealership saturday because not only my issue continued with the Audiovox unit, but it had more problems, it even stopped locking at all, so I just told them to fix it or reimburse me. So they call me back like 5 hours later saying they couldn't fix it and that I will be getting a refund.

I feel better now, I'd rather not have keyless for a while than having one that aggravates me constantly. Now I just need to find a good unit to purchase once I get the refund, I'm thinking about getting not just keyless but maybe also an alarm, I'll search around the forum for additional info.

Thanks again everybody!

[IllusionX]

get a python or a viper alarm+keyless entry instead. that way, you also get a rebate on your insurance also.

[battleversiontc]

viper alarms i say are the best in my book and thats all i ever install

[skigil]

I just want to add my story to this thread....

I had Keyless entry added to my bill as well when I purchased my brand new '08 LB Yaris. Well, turns out my dealership shunned me off to a 3rd party place to have it installed (Car Toys). While it took them forever to install it, I patiently strolled through their store and noticed I was paying $250 for keyless entry, but at Car Toys, the unit they were putting in only cost $110. So I figured something was amiss.

When the guy was finally done putting my keyless in (took him just over an hour). I of course tested it out and noticed it wasn't working correctly (I push any button and nothing locks/unlocks). Long story short, I went back to Car Toys and ended up talking to the guy that did the actual install. Turns out he was a super nice guy. Why was he a super nice guy? Because he did what I wanted! After he spewed me some bullshit about how the keyless was "installed the way factory keyless was installed," I gave him a big line about how he was full of bullshit and he should fix my problem. 5 min later, he programs my remote like his own car, and how it should be done.

So now I have an expensive keyless done the way I want it. When I hit the Unlock button, all doors (include the hatchback) unlock and the lights blink (inside and out). When I hit the Lock button, all the doors lock and the lights blink (inside and out). When I hit the Lock button again, The lights blink and the horn beeps. Oh, and the horn goes crazy when I hit my little yellow panic button.

Cheers.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by skigil

I just want to add my story to this thread....

I had Keyless entry added to my bill as well when I purchased my brand new '08 LB Yaris. Well, turns out my dealership shunned me off to a 3rd party place to have it installed (Car Toys). While it took them forever to install it, I patiently strolled through their store and noticed I was paying $250 for keyless entry, but at Car Toys, the unit they were putting in only cost $110. So I figured something was amiss.

When the guy was finally done putting my keyless in (took him just over an hour). I of course tested it out and noticed it wasn't working correctly (I push any button and nothing locks/unlocks). Long story short, I went back to Car Toys and ended up talking to the guy that did the actual install. Turns out he was a super nice guy. Why was he a super nice guy? Because he did what I wanted! After he spewed me some bullshit about how the keyless was "installed the way factory keyless was installed," I gave him a big line about how he was full of bullshit and he should fix my problem. 5 min later, he programs my remote like his own car, and how it should be done.

So now I have an expensive keyless done the way I want it. When I hit the Unlock button, all doors (include the hatchback) unlock and the lights blink (inside and out). When I hit the Lock button, all the doors lock and the lights blink (inside and out). When I hit the Lock button again, The lights blink and the horn beeps. Oh, and the horn goes crazy when I hit my little yellow panic button.

Cheers.

This sounds exactly like my system that I paid $35 for. It even has the feature where when you put the car in drive or in park, it will lock and unlock.

[Rain]

Originally Posted by skigil

When I hit the Unlock button, all doors (include the hatchback) unlock and the lights blink (inside and out).

With my alarm, only the driver side doors open. And they told me that it's for safety reasons... which if I'm only saving myself is a pretty good excuse. I have to hit it twice for all the doors to open.