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Pars · 12-16-2008, 02:04 AM

I'd also get them to check the ABS wires/harness to make sure they don't have any rust on them. Or at least ask them about it....who knows, u might get an honest answer.

I asked the same question (3 times). Two of the mechanics gave me the same answer. ABS can't be shot off.

kozm · 12-16-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jem_hadar

I just noticed today as I was getting out of my car at work, that I didnt recall seeing either the red (!) or the yellow ABS warning lights still being on...

Checked at lunch - yup, both are no longer on! (WTF?) And was able to activate my ABS too with some quick braking in water puddles.

So what does that mean now? Everything was magically fixed? All of sudden my ABS is working and the indicator lights are gone...

Same here. On and off while we're still waiting for the part to arrive. No pattern that I am able to figure out (ie, weather, snow, etc.)

talapus · 12-22-2008, 01:01 PM

I have this same issue now, anyone have any info on TSB-0120-08 ? This may address the problem?

dadi_oh · 12-23-2008, 09:59 AM

This is happening on my 06 RS Hatchback. First came on last week for half a day during a snowstorm but cleared itself later in the day. Then came on yesterday (also during a snow storm) but has lasted for about 24 hours now (and counting).

I spoke to my local service department and asked if they were seeing a lot of these. He said they had seen a few. He also made some odd comment about how it could happen if you got stuck and ended up spinning the front wheels. ????

Doesn't make any sense to me. I asked if he could comment on the "few" that he has seen if it is corroded harnesses or defective sensors and he was

Not terribly helpful.

Seems to me Toyota has a harness/sensor problem that is going to be safety related so I am going to wait for the recall to kick in. I have 72K on my car so it is out of warranty so no way am I paying for $400 for them to put the same defective design parts back on the car.

I'll see if it self clears this second time after the snow clears up and all the snow turds fall out of my wheel wells.

Hopefully Toyota is forced into a recall sooner rather than later. Out of curiousity how do the regulating agencies find out about safety defects to force a recall? Do they rely on customers reporting the issues? If so, where do you do it?

IllusionX · 12-23-2008, 11:45 AM

toyota rarely do recalls. When they are aware of the problems, they come out with a technical service bulletin.

the last RECALL i remember was for the 2000-2004 echos had problems with rust on the floor. Everything else were TBS.

onizuka · 12-23-2008, 06:49 PM

Finally my parts arrived today. I got mine fixed for 2nd time within same year. All covered by my extended warranty. I got over 72k on it. Good luck hoping for a recall. ABS helps in wet situation, but it's not a safety concern. Many cars are sold without ABS.

IllusionX · 12-23-2008, 10:33 PM

insurance might not cover if your car's ABS is not working properly, or not at all.

Jem_hadar · 12-23-2008, 11:10 PM

^^ yikes if thats the case (which is shouldnt be, IMO, since many, many cars are sold w/o ABS)

IllusionX · 12-24-2008, 10:44 AM

it's not the fact that they are sold without, but the fact that you have them DISABLED.

devinlamothe · 12-28-2008, 04:06 PM

Anyone have any more information regarding this? This just started happening to me on a short drive today after feeling a weird sensation when I applied the brakes. I don't really want to pay $400+ to fix this since I just had to pay over $700 for a new bumper. :(

Edit: On the way home after posting, the lights are gone. Could it just be the temerature? This morning it was +9 out and now it's back down to -10. Plus there was tons of melting going on which led to a lot of puddles. :shrug: I may take it into the dealer anyhow.

jgag123 · 12-31-2008, 06:42 PM

Same problem with abs.

My warranty is over on my '07yaris sedan because have near 100K in it and I am screwed because of that.

I think we all should complane about this then it may make a different.

I have sent an e-mail to toyota and this is there respond:

> From: toyota_feedback@toyota.ca
> Subject: RE: ABS deffective
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:00 -0500
>
> Dear Mr. G,
>
> Thank you for your recent correspondence.
>
> We have received your e-mail, and are sorry that you have encountered some problems with your 2007 Yaris.
>
> Please be assured that we certainly do not like to see our customers experience the frustration and inconvenience that is associated with unexpected repairs. It is the desire of Toyota Canada Inc. to provide sound, durable and reliable vehicles which will require a minimum of service and not only meet, but exceed our customers' expectations. Unfortunately, there remain instances, such as you have encountered, where difficulties will arise.
>
> Toyota Canada Inc. has a very comprehensive warranty that will cover the costs of repairing your vehicle when a difficulty arises as the result of a manufacturing defect experienced within the parameters of the warranty. Our commitment to you is to repair your vehicle according to the terms of the Toyota's new vehicle warranty. Your New Vehicle Warranty covers your vehicle for 36 months (from the warranty registration date) or 60,000 kilometers, whichever occurs first. In addition, we would like to explain that there are currently no outstanding campaigns on your vehicle.
>
> As you can appreciate, we are unable to provide a diagnosis of your vehicle through this medium of correspondence. We rely on Toyota dealerships to diagnose and repair vehicles on our behalf. As such, we kindly suggest contacting the Service Manager at your Toyota dealership directly to further discuss this issue.
>
> Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nikki Cornell
> Customer Interaction Centre
> Toyota Canada Inc.

>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Hi!
> I have a 2007 Yaris sedan. After the first winter days my ABS and
> emergency brake warning light came and stayed on and the ABS is not
> functioning at all. My Question is; is it normal that safety features like
> ABS quit working after a year of use.
> I was wondering if there is a recall for this, since many people have the
> same problem acquiring one winter after the other.
> Other vise I was very happy with the car until now.
> From Mazda and from Honda switched to Toyota and like to stay with it. Of
> course it will all depend of the customer care.
> Toyota should keep its good reputation (as #1 car manufacturer) by fixing
> safety related problems like this, no extra charge since it looks like a
> manufacturing defect.
>
> Thank you
>
> Sincerely
>
> John G.

onizuka · 01-01-2009, 07:44 AM

nice template reply from Toyota

devinlamothe · 01-01-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by voodoo22

There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter.

If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys.

I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment.

I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

This is my third winter with this car so your time may yet come lol (I hope it doesn't but ...)

Pars · 01-05-2009, 09:28 AM

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

onizuka · 01-06-2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pars

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

Not to bash any Toyota, I'm sure there are many supporters of Toyota in this forums. But coming from a Honda Accord before my Yaris, I put up 170k without any issue at all. Other than a O2 sensor failing on me at 130k, the maintenance is the only thing I have to worry about. This is my first Toyota, and maybe my last. Do I have to buy a Lexus in order to get the old time Toyota quality control? 2 things that bother me, this on-going speed sensor issue, and weakest paint job of it all. Look at your front hood, you would all agree that it get stone chiped a thousand times already.

steved · 01-06-2009, 07:47 AM

My ABS and Brake light came on yesterday night. Toyota really needs to get their act together on this problem.

Update: I have an appointment with the dealer later this evening.

donairs · 01-06-2009, 02:25 PM

Mine came on this morning. It's been salty and cold, but I've never had this problem before. I called the dealership today and they said they haven't been having any repairs for this issue. Well it seems they are about to start. The service person also told me not to worry.

Update. While driving at lunch today the lights disapearred. I'll be taking this to the dealer ASAP.

Jem_hadar · 01-09-2009, 09:31 AM

Well -- just try and GUESS what fucking two warning lights just came on AGAIN in my Yaris today!?!?!

Yup -- you guessed it -- the bloody (!) and ABS ones!

I'm more than a little annoyed at experiencing this issue AGAIN, now for the THIRD time, especially after having recently having just been through it as early as ONE MONTH ago in December!

F*CK! Very annoyed this morning now.

Wunderbar.

12-23-2008, 09:59 AM	#40
dadi_oh Drives: RS 4 Door Hatch Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 20	This is happening on my 06 RS Hatchback. First came on last week for half a day during a snowstorm but cleared itself later in the day. Then came on yesterday (also during a snow storm) but has lasted for about 24 hours now (and counting). I spoke to my local service department and asked if they were seeing a lot of these. He said they had seen a few. He also made some odd comment about how it could happen if you got stuck and ended up spinning the front wheels. ???? Doesn't make any sense to me. I asked if he could comment on the "few" that he has seen if it is corroded harnesses or defective sensors and he was Not terribly helpful. Seems to me Toyota has a harness/sensor problem that is going to be safety related so I am going to wait for the recall to kick in. I have 72K on my car so it is out of warranty so no way am I paying for $400 for them to put the same defective design parts back on the car. I'll see if it self clears this second time after the snow clears up and all the snow turds fall out of my wheel wells. Hopefully Toyota is forced into a recall sooner rather than later. Out of curiousity how do the regulating agencies find out about safety defects to force a recall? Do they rely on customers reporting the issues? If so, where do you do it? __________________ 06 RS 4 Door Hatch - Black

12-23-2008, 11:10 PM	#44
Jem_hadar MORDSITH View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Collingwood, ON Posts: 632	^^ yikes if thats the case (which is shouldnt be, IMO, since many, many cars are sold w/o ABS) __________________ 2007 Yaris Hatchback 5 Door LE, Manual, Package B, Bayou Blue Metallic

12-28-2008, 04:06 PM	#46
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	Anyone have any more information regarding this? This just started happening to me on a short drive today after feeling a weird sensation when I applied the brakes. I don't really want to pay $400+ to fix this since I just had to pay over $700 for a new bumper. :( Edit: On the way home after posting, the lights are gone. Could it just be the temerature? This morning it was +9 out and now it's back down to -10. Plus there was tons of melting going on which led to a lot of puddles. :shrug: I may take it into the dealer anyhow. Last edited by devinlamothe; 12-28-2008 at 07:53 PM.

01-06-2009, 07:47 AM	#52
steved Yaris Rules!! Drives: 2007 Red Yaris Liftback a/t Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 201	My ABS and Brake light came on yesterday night. Toyota really needs to get their act together on this problem. Update: I have an appointment with the dealer later this evening. __________________ The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx (1890-1977) Last edited by steved; 01-06-2009 at 02:48 PM.

01-09-2009, 09:31 AM	#54
Jem_hadar MORDSITH View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Collingwood, ON Posts: 632	Well -- just try and GUESS what fucking two warning lights just came on AGAIN in my Yaris today!?!?! Yup -- you guessed it -- the bloody (!) and ABS ones! I'm more than a little annoyed at experiencing this issue AGAIN, now for the THIRD time, especially after having recently having just been through it as early as ONE MONTH ago in December! F*CK! Very annoyed this morning now. Wunderbar. __________________ 2007 Yaris Hatchback 5 Door LE, Manual, Package B, Bayou Blue Metallic

12-16-2008, 02:04 AM	#37
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	I'd also get them to check the ABS wires/harness to make sure they don't have any rust on them. Or at least ask them about it....who knows, u might get an honest answer. I asked the same question (3 times). Two of the mechanics gave me the same answer. ABS can't be shot off.

12-22-2008, 01:01 PM	#39
talapus Drives: 2007 Yaris Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 6	I have this same issue now, anyone have any info on TSB-0120-08 ? This may address the problem?

12-23-2008, 11:45 AM	#41
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,887	toyota rarely do recalls. When they are aware of the problems, they come out with a technical service bulletin. the last RECALL i remember was for the 2000-2004 echos had problems with rust on the floor. Everything else were TBS.

12-23-2008, 06:49 PM	#42
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	Finally my parts arrived today. I got mine fixed for 2nd time within same year. All covered by my extended warranty. I got over 72k on it. Good luck hoping for a recall. ABS helps in wet situation, but it's not a safety concern. Many cars are sold without ABS.

12-23-2008, 10:33 PM	#43
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,887	insurance might not cover if your car's ABS is not working properly, or not at all.

12-24-2008, 10:44 AM	#45
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,887	it's not the fact that they are sold without, but the fact that you have them DISABLED.

12-31-2008, 06:42 PM	#47
jgag123 Drives: 2007 toyota yaris sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: canada, ontario Posts: 3	Same problem with abs. My warranty is over on my '07yaris sedan because have near 100K in it and I am screwed because of that. I think we all should complane about this then it may make a different. I have sent an e-mail to toyota and this is there respond: > From: toyota_feedback@toyota.ca > Subject: RE: ABS deffective > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:00 -0500 > > Dear Mr. G, > > Thank you for your recent correspondence. > > We have received your e-mail, and are sorry that you have encountered some problems with your 2007 Yaris. > > Please be assured that we certainly do not like to see our customers experience the frustration and inconvenience that is associated with unexpected repairs. It is the desire of Toyota Canada Inc. to provide sound, durable and reliable vehicles which will require a minimum of service and not only meet, but exceed our customers' expectations. Unfortunately, there remain instances, such as you have encountered, where difficulties will arise. > > Toyota Canada Inc. has a very comprehensive warranty that will cover the costs of repairing your vehicle when a difficulty arises as the result of a manufacturing defect experienced within the parameters of the warranty. Our commitment to you is to repair your vehicle according to the terms of the Toyota's new vehicle warranty. Your New Vehicle Warranty covers your vehicle for 36 months (from the warranty registration date) or 60,000 kilometers, whichever occurs first. In addition, we would like to explain that there are currently no outstanding campaigns on your vehicle. > > As you can appreciate, we are unable to provide a diagnosis of your vehicle through this medium of correspondence. We rely on Toyota dealerships to diagnose and repair vehicles on our behalf. As such, we kindly suggest contacting the Service Manager at your Toyota dealership directly to further discuss this issue. > > Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us. > > Sincerely, > > Nikki Cornell > Customer Interaction Centre > Toyota Canada Inc. > > > > > > > > Hi! > I have a 2007 Yaris sedan. After the first winter days my ABS and > emergency brake warning light came and stayed on and the ABS is not > functioning at all. My Question is; is it normal that safety features like > ABS quit working after a year of use. > I was wondering if there is a recall for this, since many people have the > same problem acquiring one winter after the other. > Other vise I was very happy with the car until now. > From Mazda and from Honda switched to Toyota and like to stay with it. Of > course it will all depend of the customer care. > Toyota should keep its good reputation (as #1 car manufacturer) by fixing > safety related problems like this, no extra charge since it looks like a > manufacturing defect. > > Thank you > > Sincerely > > John G.

01-01-2009, 07:44 AM	#48
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	nice template reply from Toyota

01-05-2009, 09:28 AM	#50
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered. I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously. Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment. On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

01-06-2009, 02:25 PM	#53
donairs Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan - Flint Mica Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Posts: 10	Mine came on this morning. It's been salty and cold, but I've never had this problem before. I called the dealership today and they said they haven't been having any repairs for this issue. Well it seems they are about to start. The service person also told me not to worry. Update. While driving at lunch today the lights disapearred. I'll be taking this to the dealer ASAP.