Mobil-1 5W-30 does not meet SM/SL standards? - Page 3 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Altitude · 01-11-2009, 04:48 PM

Surprise! An 'independant' study commissioned and paid for by Valvoline proves their oil is better! Wow, shocking!

TheSilkySmooth · 01-11-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Surprise! An 'independant' study commissioned and paid for by Valvoline proves their oil is better! Wow, shocking!

Oh, another EOM stooge enters the argument, He he. You Men in Silver are everywhere. LOOK OUT! OK. Valvoline states the MOBIL 1 5W-30, available (where'd it go??) on the shelves, does not meet API SM/SL specification on samples submitted to their own lab and independent lab. NO ONE can argue this point. Now, this results from a pissing contest EOM started: Mobil said their oil was the best, Valvoline said their oil was better, Mobil said prove it, and along the way M1 was found to be deficient. Tough Cookie - take your lumps. I am a fan of NEITHER. The fist time i got improperly formulated oil it came out of a Valvioline bottle. Poured like kerosene and smelled the same.

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Oh, another EOM stooge enters the argument, He he.

Stooge?
Gee, I feel cheated, I only got the "moron" moniker.
Cheers mate!

Altitude · 01-11-2009, 09:05 PM

EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game.

Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works.

Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

TheSilkySmooth · 01-12-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game.

Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works.

Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". Now, Do you believe the samples Failed this "expensive" sequence iva test or they are lying outright? I believe that the product sampled DID fail. Its a tough test. I think Ashland had the independent lab VERIFIY the result they found in their own lab. Ashland has in-house capabilities to perform a number these API/ ISLAC tests.

auxmike · 01-12-2009, 07:55 PM

"I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". "

Huh?

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by auxmike

"I understand this have worked for an ISO 9001 certifications, and having a house pre-purchase "inspected". "

Huh?

Hey there's nothing really bad about being a moron. Its just your geneology and upbringing - It's not your fault Mr . Mikey

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Hey there's nothing really bad about being a moron. Its just your geneology and upbringing - It's not your fault Mr . Mikey

...sticks and stones.......
BTW, I'm not a moron.
You've done quite well with no help showing everybody just what kinda chap you are.
Take it easy.....

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:42 PM

MODERATER:
Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

MODERATER:
Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

I agree. It appears to have been taken over by name callers too.....

jambo101 · 01-13-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

MODERATER:
Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

Why would you want the moderators to do that?looks to me like you are milking this topic for lots of post counts,hey why not open up a new thread for every word? that way you'll really add em up fast.

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jambo101

Why would you want the moderators to do that?looks to me like you are milking this topic for lots of post counts,hey why not open up a new thread for every word? that way you'll really add em up fast.

jambo101 · 01-13-2009, 08:18 PM

To be fair at least the contents your posts were informative and auto related until post 46 where it went the way of most topics.

gid · 01-13-2009, 12:44 PM

someone got up and out the wrong side of their YARIS this morning .

TheSilkySmooth · 01-13-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

someone got up and out the wrong side of their YARIS this morning .

Yeah, Silverglow and Auxmike - I'm not going to tolerate this kind of verbal abuse from a couple illogical dolts. How 'bout discussing the argument points instead of going on the personal attack? I guess they have no logical argument.

gid · 01-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Yeah, Silverglow and Auxmike - I'm not going to tolerate this kind of verbal abuse from a couple illogical dolts. How 'bout discussing the argument points instead of going on the personal attack? I guess they have no logical argument.

I was referring to you . You insulted me as well as of lately . What's up with the attacks ?

TheSilkySmooth · 01-14-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

I was referring to you . You insulted me as well as of lately . What's up with the attacks ?

What's the post where I've gone off - was it about the "analysis" thing - or sorry, that was supposed to be a very light jab. I was trying to fiqure out what the "grammar police" were referring to in that thread and thinking through it. Not meant to be personal - I apologize publicly. I guess my split personality has a bad side

Sorry again.

BTW: I do freely and without bias give my thought on any technical or science based subjects - and hopefully treat the "proper folk" in a polite manner along the way. Some individual cannot stand any criticism of their "TEAM" stuff, even with cold facts presented.

- G.I.NH

auxmike · 01-13-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Yeah, Silverglow and Auxmike - I'm not going to tolerate this kind of verbal abuse from a couple illogical dolts. How 'bout discussing the argument points instead of going on the personal attack? I guess they have no logical argument.

Ah, more name calling. Tisk tisk lad.......

01-12-2009, 07:55 PM	#6
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01-11-2009, 04:48 PM	#1
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	Surprise! An 'independant' study commissioned and paid for by Valvoline proves their oil is better! Wow, shocking!

01-11-2009, 09:05 PM	#4
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	EOM stooge? I don't give a crap whose oil is better. I treat most all studies with suspicion - especially those where the competition pays someone else to test the other's product. The only ones worth paying attention to are those performed by people with no skin in the game. Money talks - that's all this is - and it's how the world works. Companies that perform a service for a fee are far more likely to come out in favor of the servicee's desired result. Why? Because if they want to stay in business and get future business from a given company they will give positive results. It wouldn't make sense to keep paying a company that says your product is crap.

01-13-2009, 12:42 PM	#9
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	MODERATER: Close this thread - It been overtaken by haters who are not speaking to point and are just casting aspersions.

01-13-2009, 08:18 PM	#13
jambo101 Drives: yaris 08 sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 1,286	To be fair at least the contents your posts were informative and auto related until post 46 where it went the way of most topics.