Cooper eater

[Blown_xa]

you guys should give the Yaris a bit more credit ! The Mini is not as far out of reach as you think. The Mini is out of the box superior odviously, but what makes it known for being a fast good handling fwd car is the fact it has been out there for a while. It gets good aftermarket support and attracts good drivers who seek a suitable fun weekend warrior. I see them at the track all the time, autocross, hpde's and time trails. It's a common car. The Yaris is just not in the same postion, but that's not to say it can't be.

It is so awesome 6 Yaris' attendend that autocross, but don't base all upon those results, as they may not be regular autocross goers. Some were 1st timers I think? non the less, results rocked. Set goals high, keep doing autocrosses and track events, that is matters most to getting faster.

Also hp is not gonna set apart times too much in autocross as much as you would think. There are sometimes autocrosses I have been to to where I have hit 70mph... and yes it may help, but that is not the norm.

I ran quicker in the last couple of autocrosses on low boost 50whp down. There is a such thing as having too much power for autocross.

Do you guys know who Mike Skeen is? Came from the show "Set-up" and has had a good side career in motorsports since. Last year at the 1st circuitcross (auto x on road coarse, no cones) he ran his personal Mini set up for track. With a mere 130whp I came within 1.5 secomds of him on 205's NT-o1 when he was on 225's. http://www.get-fast.net/nasacross/022209res_raw.htm

It can be done. Also check out the time attack practice video I posted... well here it is again http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...7-VID00004.flv . That was the DTM Mini S, and I was on wastegate boost (130-140whp). I was also chasing down the CPE Ms3 (built motor!!), but come to find out he was running low boost as well (lol) as in the TA sessions I waent back up to 20 pounds and yet he edged me off podium by .09 sec. It can be done. Don't downplay you ride!

[ddongbap]

I think the Mini has a far higher limit than the Yaris.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Blown_xa

you guys should give the Yaris a bit more credit ! The Mini is not as far out of reach as you think. The Mini is out of the box superior odviously, but what makes it known for being a fast good handling fwd car is the fact it has been out there for a while. It gets good aftermarket support and attracts good drivers who seek a suitable fun weekend warrior. I see them at the track all the time, autocross, hpde's and time trails. It's a common car. The Yaris is just not in the same postion, but that's not to say it can't be.

It is so awesome 6 Yaris' attendend that autocross, but don't base all upon those results, as they may not be regular autocross goers. Some were 1st timers I think? non the less, results rocked. Set goals high, keep doing autocrosses and track events, that is matters most to getting faster.

Also hp is not gonna set apart times too much in autocross as much as you would think. There are sometimes autocrosses I have been to to where I have hit 70mph... and yes it may help, but that is not the norm.

I ran quicker in the last couple of autocrosses on low boost 50whp down. There is a such thing as having too much power for autocross.

Do you guys know who Mike Skeen is? Came from the show "Set-up" and has had a good side career in motorsports since. Last year at the 1st circuitcross (auto x on road coarse, no cones) he ran his personal Mini set up for track. With a mere 130whp I came within 1.5 secomds of him on 205's NT-o1 when he was on 225's. http://www.get-fast.net/nasacross/022209res_raw.htm

It can be done. Also check out the time attack practice video I posted... well here it is again http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g5...7-VID00004.flv . That was the DTM Mini S, and I was on wastegate boost (130-140whp). I was also chasing down the CPE Ms3 (built motor!!), but come to find out he was running low boost as well (lol) as in the TA sessions I waent back up to 20 pounds and yet he edged me off podium by .09 sec. It can be done. Don't downplay you ride!

that's all relative information, and based on region.

i love my xA and my MR2 to death, but there simply are more capable cars out there, mod for mod.

[DerFlosser]

The CooperS and the Yaris are on TOTALLY different planes. Not comparable in any way, shape or form. The yaris is strictly built as a torqueless econobox capable of very low top speed. The CooperS is different in every way....if you haven't driven one, you wouldn't understand. I debated between the Mini and the Yaris but in the end...I really just needed a reliable commuter car so I chose the Yaris. If I wanted to go fun and sporty, minus the reliability, I would have went CooperS and paid a whole lot more in the process. I have kids to send to college so I had to have some practicality factored into the commuter car decision making process.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Originally Posted by DerFlosser

The yaris is strictly built as a torqueless econobox capable of very low top speed.

idk about you but the yaris torque is right there with the horsepower. maybe i'm retarded but isn't the yaris rated at 90whp and about 89tq. that's basicall equal? nice one

and top speed isn't normally an issue unless you are in nascar or drag racing

[supmet]

A cooper S is 10 grand more than a standard yaris. If you don't think a yaris with 10 grand in mods can beat a cooper S you are crazy. They run 15s stock and a weak slalom from car and driver. Sure it feels sporty because your butt is 4 inches off the ground and the passenger window is 2 feet away, but its not the untouchable super car some people are making it out to be.

Mod for mod a cooper will beat a yaris. Dollar for dollar the yaris wins.

[Blown_xa]

Originally Posted by supmet

A cooper S is 10 grand more than a standard yaris. If you don't think a yaris with 10 grand in mods can beat a cooper S you are crazy. They run 15s stock and a weak slalom from car and driver. Sure it feels sporty because your butt is 4 inches off the ground and the passenger window is 2 feet away, but its not the untouchable super car some people are making it out to be.

Mod for mod a cooper will beat a yaris. Dollar for dollar the yaris wins.

I agree!

Yes there are far more capable cars out there, heck the Yaris is at the bottom of the todem pole.
But where is the respect!? Anyone can by a sports car and be fast (if you are a capable driver), you just have to walk into the dealership and have good credit...lol.

I would say most of us drive the car we drive because it is what we can afford, doesnt mean we can't have fun though!.

I always give props to the underdog.

[birdman]

The Fiat 500 Abarth SS that's coming to the USA eats the S JCW for breakfast. I've had fast cars that everyone could see just by looking at them. Been there done that, I just wanted to get an idea of what it would cost to have the ultimate sleeper. A wolf in sheeps clothing. Thanks for all the thought and consideration from all that have participated in this thread.

[cali yaris]

spinning out in an FWD car is a sign of an alignment problem, or suspension issue, or a tire pressure issue..

um, no. It was pure driver mistake, running up on a cone and stomping on the brake while turning to try and miss it. Braking too hard while turning results in a spin out. Every time.

By run 3, I had learned to look ahead farther and I started to get better. After a few autocrosses, I think I can hold my own.

[Blown_xa]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

um, no. It was pure driver mistake, running up on a cone and stomping on the brake while turning to try and miss it. Braking too hard while turning results in a spin out. Every time.

By run 3, I had learned to look ahead farther and I started to get better. After a few autocrosses, I think I can hold my own.

I agree. Anyone can spin out a fwd car, doesnt mean it's an issue with the car. Throttle lift oversteer is a fwd car's best weapon in autocross anyhow, rotation is key to fast times.

[tcpty]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

If you want the "best" performing car of the bunch, get the Cooper S JCW. I'd take on any prepped Yaris out there (FI too) on an autoX course in a stock JCW and fully expect to win.

+1

I wish I could say different. I my Yaris 1.8 TS!! But the JCW Mini is really higher in the food chain, from a Copper S or any other sub. I compare my TS with my business partner's 2010 Mini Cooper JCW and after pushing both hard, IMO there is no way a Yaris (even modded to compare $'s) will beat a JCW Mini Cooper. It handles, goes and brakes scary good.

[elijahsami]

I soo loved the mini but could not afford it so i bought a yaris hb even if i modded my yaris to go faster then the mini i would never race it. If you recall the mini was one of the first front wheel drive car ever designed. If it was not for them the yaris might not exist...thats just me Respect the mini and smoke the rest

[cali yaris]

I'd take on any prepped Yaris out there (FI too) on an autoX course in a stock JCW and fully expect to win.

Bring it, let's have some fun.

[06silveryaris]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

um, no. It was pure driver mistake, running up on a cone and stomping on the brake while turning to try and miss it. Braking too hard while turning results in a spin out. Every time.

By run 3, I had learned to look ahead farther and I started to get better. After a few autocrosses, I think I can hold my own.

plus I noticed just pushing the Yaris a bit in a road I go on really early in the morning on weekends the back end likes to slide out bit more than in other front wheel drive cars I have owned. Maybe its just me

[Blown_xa]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Bring it, let's have some fun.

Ill take that challenge too

[AND189]

Originally Posted by ozmdd
If you want the "best" performing car of the bunch, get the Cooper S JCW. I'd take on any prepped Yaris out there (FI too) on an autoX course in a stock JCW and fully expect to win.

big swing no ding