$86.44 for oil change? I feel screwed - Page 3 - Toyota Yaris Forums

YarisSedan · 12-22-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverGlow

MORE LIES!!! While in warranty YOU NEVER HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OIL CHANGED BY A REPUTABLE PLACE, NOR DEALERSHIP...WHY ARE YOU GUYS MISLEADING PEOPLE HERE?!?!?

The dealership may ask you for your oil change paperwork if something happens engine realated. Like a total engine loss that they may have to replace. They want to see your service records that you have changed your oil in a timely manner. Thats why invoices from a independent shop if you are not going to the dealership is important. Sure you can get away if you do your own oil changes but you have to keep very good records. Dates times and reciptes. You now have to actually prove your case. As far as they know you may have never changed your oil for 2 years and your engine went kaput from sludge and lack of oil pressure. Dealership is more inclined to help you out no questions asked if they punch in your license plate as you pull up and see a extensive service history with them. If you dont have any service history now they become defensive. Now if you have service records to back you up then they will have no choice but to honor warrenty.

If you have NO service records. Well they still may help you. But you are really at the mercy of the dealership. And no one really wants to be in that position. I think two words come to mind.... Bend Over

b_hickman11 · 12-22-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blacksandiegovitz

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I really also think that most people are missing the part about if your yaris is still under warrenty you MUST have your car serviced by a reputable dealer/service center so you have a record of all the maintance done . I've installed every single part on my car , myself and have built a couple 4g63 and 7mgte longblocks up in the past so I know my way around a wrench . Now do you guys really think I enjoy having to pay for an oil change and having to wait while someone fondles my baby , Hell-no but its under warrenty so I gotta do what i gotta do . I'm sure the OP's car is still under warrenty too

No you don't. I had a 2005 Tacoma that I changed the oil on every 5000 miles. At 33,000 miles, the fuel pump went out. The dealer replaced it under warranty with no questions asked. Your local dealer must be misleading you or maybe you hit yourself in the head with that wrench that you know your way around.

supmet · 12-22-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YarisSedan

I pay 11 dollars a quart for amsoil from my local kragens

Dude, honestly, if you can't argue the facts at hand I'm going to start ignoring your posts. We're not talking amsoil, and we're not talking 20 dollar changes. AND we're not talking about an independent shop who buys their shit from kragen.

YarisSedan · 12-22-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by supmet

Dude, honestly, if you can't argue the facts at hand I'm going to start ignoring your posts. We're not talking amsoil, and we're not talking 20 dollar changes. AND we're not talking about an independent shop who buys their shit from kragen.

Okay this is starting to turn into a flame war here so this will be the last post i will make on this thread. What i noticed on threads that start to go this route is people who respond and join in dont read the thread and reponses from start to finish and may only read the last 1 or 2 pages and then comment typing in all caps and start using curse words without knowing the whole story.

If you account the fact that he payed in addition to his oil change for a tire rotation which was 26 dollars. Otherwise he would have payed pretty much 60 dollars for just a synthetic oil change alone at the dealership. Which 60 dollars is not entirely unreasonable. Jiffy lube charges 79.95 for synthetic oil change using penzoil platinum for up to 5 quarts. I am not sure if they adjust the price down if a vehicle takes less oil.

I am not tryign to say you should go to the dealership just try to explain why they charge a higher labor rate.

The reason I am comparing it to a normal 20 dollar oil change is to show you the labor rate is the same as a synthetic oil change. They labor they charged the Origonal Post was about 7 dollars. the extra 26 dollars came into play when he decided to get a tire rotation.

So really the only question should be the price he payed for the oil. We cant say for certain what type of oil he got in his car when going to the dealer. Unless someone here works for toyota they can state the brand. Sure they may buy it in massive bulk and get a discount rate which gives them a greater margin of markup but in reality it is not that great. If they sell the synthetic for 11 bucks i dont realisticly think they payed 2 or 3 bucks. At a minumum its about 5 bucks. Unless its some generic brand synthetic. I have worked with a lot of venders and i know what the prices are out on the market. If you dont want to believe me you have the right to your opinion just like i have the right to my own.

b_hickman11 · 12-23-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by YarisSedan

If you account the fact that he payed in addition to his oil change for a tire rotation which was 26 dollars.

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I can rotate my tires in less than 7 minutes using 1 jack stand and the pos factory jack. And it will be free. The dealership has a lift. With 1 tech they could rotate in probably 2 minutes or less, with 2 techs less than a minute. So thats $26 for a minute or two of work. Thats about $1500 an hour!! But still you say thats not a profit? Your dealership must have a water park in it for the customers to use while getting their car serviced!

DevilGirl · 12-22-2009, 08:36 AM

I know I've been taking my car back to the dealer for the oil changes just for the simplicity of it. Our garage has been too much of a mess lately to be able to change it on my own (finally can get the cars back in as of last night). The driveway has too much of a slope to it to do it in the driveway. Not to mention that now it's just too damn cold out. Dealer I bought the car from and have gone back to, I've declined the tire rotation, and paid about $30+taxes for the oil change. And I get a free car wash out of the deal.

mrb3990 · 12-22-2009, 09:57 AM

I wonder whether behour needs synthetic oil. If Mo stands for Missouri (where it doesn't get very cold), and the OP is changing his/her oil every 5 thousand miles, why pay extra for synthetic oil over dino oil? The Yaris engine doesn't need it, does it?

schleppy · 12-22-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mrb3990

I wonder whether behour needs synthetic oil. If Mo stands for Missouri (where it doesn't get very cold), and the OP is changing his/her oil every 5 thousand miles, why pay extra for synthetic oil over dino oil? The Yaris engine doesn't need it, does it?

I'm sure the engine doesn't "need" synthetic, but it can't hurt...

SilverGlow · 12-22-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by schleppy

I'm sure the engine doesn't "need" synthetic, but it can't hurt...

All modern engines do better with synthetic oil. The difference might not be great, but it is there.

eTiMaGo · 12-22-2009, 10:21 AM

you need to ask for an oil change without the optional ass reaming...

jamal1984 · 12-22-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by behour

I have no experience with vehicles. My yaris is the first new car I bought. I sadly feel often screwed. I went to get an oil change today and was charged 86.44 for it.

Here is my questions

It was full syntetic oil. Is this the best to get or should I avoid?
I was over charged...correct? It seems ridiculously high.
My bill looks something like this

Labor 33.84
Parts 48.20
Shop Material 1.35
Sales tax 3.05
Total 86.44

This is my 2nd oil change at 10,000 miles. My first oil change I asked for syntetic from another Toyota dealer and was only charged $41.45. I was not sure if I was given full synthetic oil even when told otherwise. I was charged with "lube synthetic oil for $10.00". The bill was not clear. I have had problems with the sales department so I tried another dealer. Looks like I should of just stayed with them for a $40 dollar change in price and a 20minutes extra drive.

Any opinions and help would be great for someone as clueless as me with cars. I just want to take the best care for it you know?

After you left they all went out and buy each a pack of cigarette with your moneys and hi-fi.
It's a Yaris, nothing hard to do an oil change, unless you are a girl and don't feel like getting dirty.
Oil change is freaky easy on almost every car, bend over unscrew a few screws, remove the filter, put it back and fill it up, nothing hard guys.
GOOGLE it first before you go out and spend your moneys like that.
We all here to help.

Hershey · 12-22-2009, 01:04 PM

I would check to make sure they didn't overfill your oil . Hopefully didn't install all 4 or 5 quarts of oil . I use little over 3 and a 1/2 quarts to get it to full mark , sometimes a smidgen over .

b_hickman11 · 12-22-2009, 01:05 PM

I actually just got finished changing my oil this morning. Took about 10 minutes and only cost me about $10. I put 5000 miles on about every 6 weeks so spending $10 each time is a lot better than $80+.

RUFFSTUFF · 12-22-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I actually just got finished changing my oil this morning. Took about 10 minutes and only cost me about $10. I put 5000 miles on about every 6 weeks so spending $10 each time is a lot better than $80+.

I'm about to do mine today, the filter was $4.50 and the 5 quart jug was $11. No need for full synthetic in this car.

jambo101 · 12-29-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I actually just got finished changing my oil this morning. Took about 10 minutes and only cost me about $10. I put 5000 miles on about every 6 weeks so spending $10 each time is a lot better than $80+.

What kind of oil and filter are you using that can be had for less than $10 in total

Yaris Hilton · 12-29-2009, 09:06 AM

If you watch for sales at the auto stores, that's not rare.

b_hickman11 · 12-30-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jambo101

What kind of oil and filter are you using that can be had for less than $10 in total

I use Mobil Clean 5000 which is $11 for 5 qts but I only use 3.8 qts. And I use a Supertech filter which is only about $2.50. So thats about $10 per change.

RUFFSTUFF · 12-22-2009, 01:08 PM

It's funny in this day and age with all the resources available, people still don't understand the very warranty they signed saying they did. Changing your own oil does not void your warranty... as well as any other maintenance you may perform. For a claim to be denied it must be proven by the dealer that the failure was due to neglect or for lack of a better word, incompetence. If you change your own oil and say, you forget to torque your drain bolt, it falls out, your oil drains and your motor seizes... probably not going to get a new motor out of it at no cost... But like said previously, change your own oil and the fuel pump fails prematurely... no correlation... claim should be good.

The problem is the interface. There is some amount of faith in the dealer that they are going to help you out. After all. it is them that are filing the warranty claim... They don't want to do repair work on your vehicle and then get stiffed on the bill because the manufacturer's bean counter doesn't want to pay 2 weeks later. I've seen dealers go the extra mile and basically sell the repair work to the Claims Dept. to get it covered, saving the consumer big bucks. I've seen dealers tell a customer that the claim will be denied and they won't do the work unless the customer pays just because the dealer didn't feel like doing the legwork or checking. Or the customer was a douchebag... which is never the case, right?

12-22-2009, 08:36 AM	#6
DevilGirl Drives: 09 3dr LB MT Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 681	I know I've been taking my car back to the dealer for the oil changes just for the simplicity of it. Our garage has been too much of a mess lately to be able to change it on my own (finally can get the cars back in as of last night). The driveway has too much of a slope to it to do it in the driveway. Not to mention that now it's just too damn cold out. Dealer I bought the car from and have gone back to, I've declined the tire rotation, and paid about $30+taxes for the oil change. And I get a free car wash out of the deal. __________________ 2009 3dr LB MT Meteorite Metalic. Car bought 8/7/09. Now over 89k miles of trouble free driving, other than user error!!

12-22-2009, 09:57 AM	#7
mrb3990 Drives: 2010 Yaris Blcksandpearl sdn Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 25	synthetic oil I wonder whether behour needs synthetic oil. If Mo stands for Missouri (where it doesn't get very cold), and the OP is changing his/her oil every 5 thousand miles, why pay extra for synthetic oil over dino oil? The Yaris engine doesn't need it, does it?

12-22-2009, 10:21 AM	#10
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	you need to ask for an oil change without the optional ass reaming... __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

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Hershey Drives: 08 Yaris sedan auto / Fit auto Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: northeast Posts: 2,897	I would check to make sure they didn't overfill your oil . Hopefully didn't install all 4 or 5 quarts of oil . I use little over 3 and a 1/2 quarts to get it to full mark , sometimes a smidgen over .

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12-22-2009, 01:08 PM	#18
RUFFSTUFF Banned Drives: 2009 TOYOTA YARIS SEDAN Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: KINGSLAND, GA Posts: 381	It's funny in this day and age with all the resources available, people still don't understand the very warranty they signed saying they did. Changing your own oil does not void your warranty... as well as any other maintenance you may perform. For a claim to be denied it must be proven by the dealer that the failure was due to neglect or for lack of a better word, incompetence. If you change your own oil and say, you forget to torque your drain bolt, it falls out, your oil drains and your motor seizes... probably not going to get a new motor out of it at no cost... But like said previously, change your own oil and the fuel pump fails prematurely... no correlation... claim should be good. The problem is the interface. There is some amount of faith in the dealer that they are going to help you out. After all. it is them that are filing the warranty claim... They don't want to do repair work on your vehicle and then get stiffed on the bill because the manufacturer's bean counter doesn't want to pay 2 weeks later. I've seen dealers go the extra mile and basically sell the repair work to the Claims Dept. to get it covered, saving the consumer big bucks. I've seen dealers tell a customer that the claim will be denied and they won't do the work unless the customer pays just because the dealer didn't feel like doing the legwork or checking. Or the customer was a douchebag... which is never the case, right?