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derickveliz2 · 10-08-2010, 12:21 AM

I posted this at DIYMA but nothing yet...

What's better for Front Stage regarding the location of the mids in the A-pillars:

to be as far apart from each other and a little closer to listeners? or

to be as far forward from listeners but a little closer together (distance between each speaker)?

sqcomp · 10-08-2010, 01:46 AM

This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play.

I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you.

derickveliz2 · 10-08-2010, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play.

I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you.

I did play with them for a while, and I have a better idea how to aim them so they sound better for my taste (close to what Hertz recommends) aiming to opposite seat, like symmetrical, see image below) with the difference I'm going to install them on the A-pillars and not the doors

But for some reason a couple of inches further apart (in front the sail panels) creates a nice width (I am assuming this is how wide it feels, but far forward and a couple of inches closer was good too, better depth (I'm assuming deep and farther like standing in front but not too close) at a cost of less width, and since all this is new to me, I was wondering what was better? please tell me if I'm nuts or wrong, I'm just trying to decide where the 3" mids will go relative to the A-pillard.

I'm tending more to give a little bit of width by having the mids farther apart between them but not as far forward possible (closer to listeners) Then I'll let the tweeters be as far away to compensate depth. I'm sorry if I'm messing up what I'm trying to accomplish, or sounds confusing.
Million of thank you(s) for any input... BTW sqcomp remind Jim about my amp and rings please, I'll call him tomorrow.

derickveliz2 · 10-09-2010, 01:58 AM

I'm getting ready, I got some Fiber Glass Cloth, a couple of different weights and some carbon fiber strips to reinforce (maybe overkill but this is where my R/C airplane hobby experience comes to my mind) Resin, disposable gloves, masking tape, etc.

Since I don't have my rings for the kickpanels and the 6.5 drivers I'm going to start with the A-pillars for the 3" mids and Tweeters.

Wish me luck, I guess I'm going to do some mock-ups first and get a hang of it!

D.

sqcomp · 10-09-2010, 07:38 PM

Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind. I don't know if there are any other Yarii around besides yours and mine that have pillar mounted mids.

You can be assured of a high soundstage!

derickveliz2 · 10-10-2010, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind.

Count with that! over and over!

D.

derickveliz2 · 10-14-2010, 02:34 AM

The Saga continues!

2:30 am and I just got upstairs, 2 hours of work... what work??? Masking tape, cutting fiber glass cloth, carbon fiber tape and some liquid stuff. It's like playing in the sand!

I'll upload pictures later, this is for the left A-pillar mount/extension (First attempt)

D.

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 01:45 AM

Didn't work!

Complete FAILURE!!!

I'm embarrassed showing the pictures

But I will.... I feel good recognizing my mistakes...

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:02 AM

Masking Tape...

My objective...

Materials...

Almost there...

Final product...

This is not going to work, going back to the Balls concept!

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:06 AM

My new (used) Mid-Bass Driver [SB ACOUSTICS] next to the Pioneer 6.5 (for comparison) Hertz HL70 and Zeus Tweeters... These SB Acoustics are going in the Kick-panels that some day I will build... soon I hope!

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:10 AM

Balls Concept!

This is how I'm "Aiming" the speaker sphere for the 3" Mid-range driver Hertz HL-70

Some trim and adjustments...

DailyDriver · 10-16-2010, 10:03 AM

love the pics Derick. you are a braver man than i. But your car will rock harder than mine will too :)

derickveliz2 · 10-16-2010, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DailyDriver

love the pics Derick. you are a braver man than i. But your car will rock harder than mine will too :)

Thanks! DD where in Utah are you?

That's how I learn, the hard way but then I feel good.

sqcomp · 10-16-2010, 04:33 PM

Derick...you went about the pods the wrong way. You need a base on the pillar BEFORE you lay any glass down. You need the baffle for the mid and the tweeter.

That's why I mentioned looking at my build closely.

I'm chiding you a little here...on purpose. Get a hold of me so we can set your starting point on the pillars correctly.

derickveliz2 · 10-16-2010, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick...you went about the pods the wrong way. You need a base on the pillar BEFORE you lay any glass down. You need the baffle for the mid and the tweeter.That's why I mentioned looking at my build closely.
I'm chiding you a little here...on purpose. Get a hold of me so we can set your starting point on the pillars correctly.

No kidding!

Yes I know but I had this crazy idea to have the 3" driver in front of the sail panel but based/attached on the A-Pillar. That's a "no go"

Please describe to me "baffle"?

What are the new ideas for the Yaris now that you have been exposed to the 3x MECA master champ? I'm so curios!!!

derickveliz2 · 10-17-2010, 12:37 AM

BTW!
Finally I met another guy with big boom boom around here!

This morning when me and my son went to the Post Office in my Corolla... I notice parked next to us a Land Rover with a big box inside with 2 subs... I saw the owner approaching and asked him...

"Are those two 12's in the back?" and he said "NO! there are two 15's" with a big smile

(in ported boxes, and 4 coaxial speakers 2 in the doors and 2 in the rear C-Pillars facing forward). I asked him how did they sound?

he went inside the Land Rover and turn his radio on... Yeah Baby...

lot's of rattles and kind of loud. He showed me the amp, on the side wall and he claim to be very happy with this pair of subs.

Then he invited me to go inside the car

[as I was approaching the interior of the car the BASS started to fade away

] and shut the door, asked me to crank it up and I did...

Man I was sorry I wasn't driving my Yaris!

He would have been going nuts listening to the Bachuka . I really wasn't impressed. Maybe he didn't even had them set up properly. I really would like to listen/feel other systems... learn and get to know how they sound.

This was a great experience for me, as soon as we got back home I went in my car and crank it up!

YES YES YES!!! my Bachuka and only with the Mid-Bass drivers in the doors sounds much better the the guy with the two 15's ... I get the feeling that I'm in the right path!

sqcomp · 10-17-2010, 02:17 AM

My ideas are about interior treatment and a modification of the mid bass amongst other things. The big thing is drawing off experience. I'm working with a loaded deck now. Give me a competition. I'm there with a vehicle that is winning material. Yes, I have confidence. I expect to make a big statement in IASCA SQc and SQi.

Now, for you...

Ask yourself, what are you going to attach the speakers to? Where is the baffle? Post a pic please (again, I'm giving you a hard time on purpose).

derickveliz2 · 10-17-2010, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

My ideas are about interior treatment and a modification of the mid bass amongst other things. The big thing is drawing off experience. I'm working with a loaded deck now. Give me a competition. I'm there with a vehicle that is winning material. Yes, I have confidence. I expect to make a big statement in IASCA SQc and SQi.

Now, for you...

Ask yourself, what are you going to attach the speakers to? Where is the baffle? Post a pic please (again, I'm giving you a hard time on purpose).

Interior treatment?

The speakers are connected to the wires! jeje

D.

10-08-2010, 01:46 AM	#2
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play. I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-09-2010, 07:38 PM	#5
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind. I don't know if there are any other Yarii around besides yours and mine that have pillar mounted mids. You can be assured of a high soundstage! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-14-2010, 02:34 AM	#7
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	The Saga continues! 2:30 am and I just got upstairs, 2 hours of work... what work??? Masking tape, cutting fiber glass cloth, carbon fiber tape and some liquid stuff. It's like playing in the sand! I'll upload pictures later, this is for the left A-pillar mount/extension (First attempt) D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

10-15-2010, 02:02 AM	#9
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Masking Tape... My objective... Materials... Almost there... Final product... This is not going to work, going back to the Balls concept! __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

10-16-2010, 04:33 PM	#14
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Derick...you went about the pods the wrong way. You need a base on the pillar BEFORE you lay any glass down. You need the baffle for the mid and the tweeter. That's why I mentioned looking at my build closely. I'm chiding you a little here...on purpose. Get a hold of me so we can set your starting point on the pillars correctly. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-08-2010, 12:21 AM	#1
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I posted this at DIYMA but nothing yet... What's better for Front Stage regarding the location of the mids in the A-pillars: to be as far apart from each other and a little closer to listeners? or to be as far forward from listeners but a little closer together (distance between each speaker)?

10-09-2010, 01:58 AM	#4
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I'm getting ready, I got some Fiber Glass Cloth, a couple of different weights and some carbon fiber strips to reinforce (maybe overkill but this is where my R/C airplane hobby experience comes to my mind) Resin, disposable gloves, masking tape, etc. Since I don't have my rings for the kickpanels and the 6.5 drivers I'm going to start with the A-pillars for the 3" mids and Tweeters. Wish me luck, I guess I'm going to do some mock-ups first and get a hang of it! D.

10-15-2010, 01:45 AM	#8
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Didn't work! Complete FAILURE!!! I'm embarrassed showing the pictures But I will.... I feel good recognizing my mistakes...

10-15-2010, 02:06 AM	#10
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	My new (used) Mid-Bass Driver [SB ACOUSTICS] next to the Pioneer 6.5 (for comparison) Hertz HL70 and Zeus Tweeters... These SB Acoustics are going in the Kick-panels that some day I will build... soon I hope!

10-15-2010, 02:10 AM	#11
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Balls Concept! This is how I'm "Aiming" the speaker sphere for the 3" Mid-range driver Hertz HL-70 Some trim and adjustments...

10-16-2010, 10:03 AM	#12
DailyDriver View User's Garage Drives: 3dr Lftback (meteorite) Manual Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: utah Posts: 41	love the pics Derick. you are a braver man than i. But your car will rock harder than mine will too :)

10-17-2010, 12:37 AM	#16
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	BTW! Finally I met another guy with big boom boom around here! This morning when me and my son went to the Post Office in my Corolla... I notice parked next to us a Land Rover with a big box inside with 2 subs... I saw the owner approaching and asked him... "Are those two 12's in the back?" and he said "NO! there are two 15's" with a big smile (in ported boxes, and 4 coaxial speakers 2 in the doors and 2 in the rear C-Pillars facing forward). I asked him how did they sound? he went inside the Land Rover and turn his radio on... Yeah Baby... lot's of rattles and kind of loud. He showed me the amp, on the side wall and he claim to be very happy with this pair of subs. Then he invited me to go inside the car [as I was approaching the interior of the car the BASS started to fade away ] and shut the door, asked me to crank it up and I did... Man I was sorry I wasn't driving my Yaris! He would have been going nuts listening to the Bachuka . I really wasn't impressed. Maybe he didn't even had them set up properly. I really would like to listen/feel other systems... learn and get to know how they sound. This was a great experience for me, as soon as we got back home I went in my car and crank it up! YES YES YES!!! my Bachuka and only with the Mid-Bass drivers in the doors sounds much better the the guy with the two 15's ... I get the feeling that I'm in the right path!

10-17-2010, 02:17 AM	#17
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	My ideas are about interior treatment and a modification of the mid bass amongst other things. The big thing is drawing off experience. I'm working with a loaded deck now. Give me a competition. I'm there with a vehicle that is winning material. Yes, I have confidence. I expect to make a big statement in IASCA SQc and SQi. Now, for you... Ask yourself, what are you going to attach the speakers to? Where is the baffle? Post a pic please (again, I'm giving you a hard time on purpose). __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

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