Guns

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

So I voted for Obama like everyone else, then I find out the Democrats are going to make it tough to buy new guns and may nix the CCW's

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Obama has his hands full with the economy to worry at this present time with firearms. At most we might see "gun show loophole" closures, which will essentially ban private transfers in the US.

CCWs? Twenty years ago most States were not CCW friendly. I think over forty today have some form of CCW. I cannot imagine the Democrats being stupid enough to piss off the "right" by taking away their licenses to carry (but not to shoot).

Heck, CCWs are fantastic gun registry data. You know who has a gun by going over these lists, plus it's voluntary compliance.

Gun nuts are safe at least until the first terrorist attack or Mall shooting comes along. Personally I think that Democrats remember 1994. They also gained control of the Congress by electing "Blue Dog" Democrats who are pretty Conservative. They won't want to lose control by enticing the NRA to call them "gun grabbers".

McCain supported the "gun show loophole closure" and said he'd sign a bill to ban "ugly guns" (aka Assault weapons). So it's not that much different.

BTW, if you were so worried about guns why did you vote for Obama? Don't you research candidates before you vote?

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PK198105

lol why would you need a .50 Barett? the Geneva convention prohibits it's use against personnel.

Yeah, but you can damage "materiel", including their uniforms, gear and whatnot.

Originally Posted by PK198105

you wanna hunt deer with that or buffalo or maybe a Yaris?

Some people want the most powerful thing of an item, like buying a Lamborghini Countache or some other crazy fast car that can go two or three times your local speed limits or a high speed motorbike that can go about as fast.

The practical uses of such a rifle are extreme long range shooting, up to and over one mile away.

The limitations of such a rifle are its extreme costs, especially for semi automatic models (well over $2,000 US), heavy weight (well over ten pounds) and muzzle blast (which will remove your hat if you're not careful). The cost per shot is also excessive, well over $1.00 US per round.

You're not going to see someone robbing the Corner Five and Dime with one of these things. They are very very large firearms.

What is disconcerting is the prospect of sniper attacks. They're not used for this purpose, at least in the US. I've read rumors that the Secret Service has been requesting some sort of regulation on these firearms for security reasons.

One wonders when the requests will extend to long range target rifles, which can deliver accurate shots out to a mile? This is the primary reason for resistance to regulating these firearms in the US. You bend on one firearm and next year the Activists want "more", gotta keep that Cause going.

Gene

[yarswiss]

While I am morally against all forms of weapons designed to kill, I do find it reassuring to know that the US is probably the only country that cannot be defeated by invasion: since every citizen has the right to their own arsenal, an invading army would have one hell of a fight from all the citizenry!

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PK198105

lol thats gotta be the best loophole i've heard in a long time.

but for the rest of your post i agree with you. i can see target practice or recreational shooting as reason for owning a .50/

They're mainly used for long long range shooting. Out to a mile away.

Originally Posted by PK198105

oh and i don't envy the Secret Service guys having to protect their new pres. they should ask for a raise since their chances of biting a bullet for him just skyrocketed.

From what I've seen of the man he's gonna try to be reasonable. We'll see. If he's not, he can't do too much damage that cannot be reversed before 2010, when the next round of Congressional elections arrive.

The vote is how we handle things in the US. If someone approached me with a serious plot to harm a politician I'd dime 'em out, just out of principle.

That's all we need, to become a freaking Banana Republic... not while I have anything to do with it.

Originally Posted by PK198105

first African-american president and a lot of these racist gun toting idiots that have access to the Barett.

Most Racist gun toting idiots lack the emotional control needed for long range sniping. The mindset needed to be a racist, and hate someone enough to do them harm, doesn't seem to me to be compatible with such skills.

Most racists I know are immature and tend to blame others rather than deal with things and rise above them. They don't see other racial groups as really human. Hence they lose out on a ton of useful life and cultural experience from other races.

Some of us got over this crap and appreciate the human condition and what others have to teach. We really are all of the same race, even if we talk and look different.

Gene

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by PK198105

doesn't the A10 Warthog have the Vulcan? if you mount one facing backwards on the Yaris your MPG will greatly improve lol

No, the Hawg has a GAU-8 30mm Gatling gun, the Vulcan is "only" 20mm.

The GAU-8 is awesome firepower, but it is the size of a Volkwagen Beetle...



Cheers! M2

[Bob_VT]

Yup and the Vulcan is 20MM but the 30MM used in the A-10's are most effective with depleted uranium ammo for better penetration on a hard target......

[firemachine69]

Originally Posted by PK198105

lol why would you need a .50 Barett? the Geneva convention prohibits it's use against personnel. you wanna hunt deer with that or buffalo or maybe a Yaris?

Another ignorant Canadian, no surprise.


How about you head down to the range during one of the open days and see a .50 in action. If you think it'll be anything like in the movies, you'll be sorely disappointed. It'll leave a slightly bigger hole as opposed to say a .308, a bit more recoil on the user, and that's about it.


Mad Dog:

Check out your government statistics. Ignore the BS sugar-coating. You are living in one of the most violent G12 countries in the world.

[darthbauer]

If anyone doesnt remember what all i have posted in the gun category let me know and I will repost them.

[jclo3313]

Originally Posted by darthbauer

If anyone doesnt remember what all i have posted in the gun category let me know and I will repost them.

Fire away!

[darthbauer]

Screw it, here they are.







I got more but no pics.

[SailDesign]

I have no pics, but here's the contents of the gun cupboard (NO concealed carry, or any other type of carry...)

IGA side-by-side 20-bore (20 "gauge" to you Yanks). Raccoon gun for the wife when we lived on the farm with 4 young kids
Winchester 52B .22 target rifle, 12 lbs of paper-punching fun
Mossberg lever-action .22 with scope for the kids. They've all left home but none have a home for it.
Mossberg bolt-action ditto.
Both of the Mossbergs were gifts from one of the guys who use to work on the farm. Neither will make the cut when we next move (if ever)

[jclo3313]

Darth check this out.
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[darthbauer]

Originally Posted by camelll

Nice!

Thanks. Try not to drool to much, might cause rust.

[firemachine69]

Originally Posted by PK198105

why are you calling me ignorant canadian? maybe i didn't pop out from my mom with a gun in my hands but i must disappoint you i know more than you think about weapons and their potential to destroy. i for one seen the effects of weapon fire on flesh unlike solid cement or metal targets. solid targets won't have the same damage as flesh targets its physics. a simple 7.62mm round will rip the flesh to shreds since they have the tendancy to tumble once inside the target rather than go straight. i spent my first 10 years on a military base in Poland, i went to the shooting ranges and i even attended class given to recruits about weapon damage.


it is you i believe that watched too many Rambo movies. ask any soldier that's been in a conflict and they will all say that people just don't drop dead from being shot (the lucky ones do). A sniper is trained to kill not to maim, this is job one shot one kill. and i'm sorry but a shot from .50 Barett to the head will leave you with a year supply of jam. so please think before you post , and don't go jumping to conclusions

Once again, you've proven ignorance.

If the terminal velocity of the round happens to be lower (i.e. reaching out and "touching" them at a mile away, yes, the mess will be pretty decent, but not much greater than a .308 @ roughly half a mile. If the poor sap is exceedingly close, wears no hard (or soft) armor, and ball ammunition is used, it'll likely go right through him, like a spear. Because if you were truly trained by the military, you'd know with such a large caliber to shoot for center of mass (C.O.M.), NOT for rambo-style "head shots".


It's all in the ammo, and how it's loaded. A .308 +P HP jacketed round will be supremely more devastating as opposed to a ball .50. I shoot as a hobby, and still do, and I am fully aware of the potential for damage and such, and what particular bullet with power package will deliver in terms of flesh damage.


This is simply physics.

[Bob_VT]

I am partial to the fully adjustable MagPul PRS for the AR

[darthbauer]

The PRS is nice but I like it a lot better on a Sig 556 than on an AR.

[Bob_VT]

Actually my Rock River NM A4 only has one change (or accessory) I have a Rock River scope mount which mounts on the flat top.

[darthbauer]

It's hard to tell but mine is also a RRA. I have a bushmaster carbon lower that im still not sure what im doing with.