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07WYarisRS · 09-18-2006, 10:26 AM

I use Amsoil 2000 0w-30
It may not perform the VEY best in every single test but over all its apperently a better lubricant.

daq421 · 09-18-2006, 02:17 PM

I just wanted to say thank you to all the posters in this thread. This is a most informative and useful thread .. Based on what I've read here I'm going switch to synthetic at my 5k change.

-Peter

dandj · 09-22-2006, 11:49 PM

Ok now I plan on switching over to amsoil but will need to know how to reset the change oil light. Anyone? My saturn vue is as simple as turning the key switch to the on position and flooring the gas pedal for 5 seconds. (engine not running of course)

foober · 09-23-2006, 01:40 AM

thanks for all the input on oils. I've been using mobil 1 for 10 years but will now switch to amsoil oils. I just want the best for my babys.

Billstein · 09-23-2006, 07:21 AM

[QUOTE=nsmitchell]Anyone plan to go Synthetic on their first oil change.

Yes. Mobil 1
Car feels and runs smoother.

ketel0ne · 09-23-2006, 12:28 PM

Which Amsoil filter do I use, specifically the one for the yaris?

nsmitchell · 09-25-2006, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ketel0ne

Which Amsoil filter do I use, specifically the one for the yaris?

I was just on the Amsoil site... You can use the Scion Xb or Xa oil filter which is EaO09/51394.

nsmitchell · 09-25-2006, 10:30 AM

After switching to Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 with an Amsoil Ea Oil filter a few months ago on my 2002 Odyssey with 60K miles I noticed my oil is looking dirtier than with Mobil-1. I had been using Mobil-1 0W-20 and Mobil-1 filters in the past. I did not use the Amsoil motor flush before switching from Mobil-1 to Amsoil. I wonder if the Amsoil is cleaning/suspending the small particles that the Mobil-1 wasn't catching. With my next Amsoil oil change, I will be using the Amsoil Motor Flush. Any comments or ideas would be helpful, because I'm baffled!

foober · 09-25-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsmitchell

I was just on the Amsoil site... You can use the Scion Xb or Xa oil filter which is EaO09/51394.

I just talked with toyota and they said get an oil filter thats compatible to an 05 echo. Then I phoned amsoil and they said if you want an amsoil oil filter that oil filter number is #EaO09. That the EaO09/51394 is an oil filter made by Wix. To get a true Amsoil oil filter the number is just EaO09.

nsmitchell · 10-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Amsoil or Royal Purple? Any thoughts or knowledge we should know about?

Racer X-8 · 10-02-2006, 03:44 PM

Ok, Amsoil is supposed to be right up there and maybe it is the best, i dunno. But, here's a linky to the oil blog going on at the Mazda RX-8 club forum. I'll bet pretty much every car forum has something like this going on for that matter. Bon apetite...
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...5&page=1&pp=15
Oh yeah, one thing about this being the RX-8 forum - Mazda doesn't want the RX-8 to use synthetic oil. The reason is that a minute amount of engine oil is injected directly into the rotary chambers for lubrication of parts in there that have no other way of getting lubricated. It's a rotary thing. So, they're worried about the different kinds of residues left behind in there .vs. the known residues of conventional dino oil. It's basically taken as a CYA maneuver that Mazda is doing, since Mazda can't / won't thoroughly test every synthetic that is out there. Now that you know about that little issue, dive in!

nsmitchell · 10-02-2006, 04:17 PM

Since rotary engines use some oil while operating by design, and since synthetics dont burn up as easily (vaporize) as conventional oils do, they might start to build up over time in the rotary engine.

BTW - I was getting a laugh from a BobTheOilGuy.com member complaining about their oil getting black after switching from dino to synthetic.

No one there mentioned that the synthetic was suspending all the crap that dino didn't clean in the oil, and that all he needed to do was use an engine flush before going to synthetic. Amsoil makes a flush just for that purpose, as do plenty of other companies. I think most of the engine flushes are just kerosene in a quart can.

07WYarisRS · 10-02-2006, 05:50 PM

Don't worry about the color of the oil.
Most color is caused by particles in the oil too fine for the regular style filters to trap. If you were to use an Amsoil by pass filter and the 2 micron oil filter set up you oil would still look good even after 100,000 miles.
Synthetic will tend to get dirty faster on enegine that were run on dino oils as they clean away deposits that have built up over time and prevent new deposit build ups.
That's why the sooner you can switch the better.

As for the royal purple VS amsoil question
Both are decent oils, However I have personally seen the lab results from a couple of royal purple tests and they showed serious issues with their quality control. In one case the oil grade on the bottle was higher then the actual oil in the bottle. I've also seen high levels of copper and water.
Amsoil and Redline IMO are two of the best lubricants out there.

Asfor the roatary engines, That does hold some truth
But I would not worry about running Amsoil in An RX7 or -8.
Poorly refined caster oils (bean oils) do form heavy gummy deposits when exposed to flame and severe heat and this will build up over time.
Amsoil or redline oils do not form any such depostis.
I have seen some of my engines with hundreds of hours on them and ZERO carbon, ZERO build up anywhere on the combustion chambers or pistons.

w1ngzer0 · 10-03-2006, 02:17 PM

Not sure this will help, but one of our admin's is a chemist. He analysed a lot of the oils. there is the link to the thread. Talks about reducing lifter noise and other things.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/6610

Yaris Dick · 10-03-2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w1ngzer0

Not sure this will help, but one of our admin's is a chemist. He analysed a lot of the oils. there is the link to the thread. Talks about reducing lifter noise and other things.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/6610

02 data. 06 updated debate with no facts. Won't help.

w1ngzer0 · 10-03-2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaris Dick

02 data. 06 updated debate with no facts. Won't help.

meh, oh well.

dandj · 10-03-2006, 08:57 PM

I did the change to amsoil 5-30 this weekend. My auterra showed about a 8% increase in gas mileage but will have to fill up a couple of times before I'll know for sure. (getting just under 39 mpg now)

Violin · 10-03-2006, 10:03 PM

I got 187,000 miles on my 1987 turbo RX-7 using Mobil One.

09-18-2006, 10:26 AM	#55
07WYarisRS HardlyDangerous Drives: 09 Yaris LE, H/B, auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ridgeway Ontario Posts: 573	I use Amsoil 2000 0w-30 It may not perform the VEY best in every single test but over all its apperently a better lubricant. __________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. Last edited by 07WYarisRS; 09-18-2006 at 12:45 PM.

09-18-2006, 02:17 PM	#56
daq421 MPG is the new cool Drives: 07 Yaris sedan (silver) Auto Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 116	I just wanted to say thank you to all the posters in this thread. This is a most informative and useful thread .. Based on what I've read here I'm going switch to synthetic at my 5k change. -Peter __________________

09-23-2006, 07:21 AM	#59
Billstein Whew Who.. Drives: 2 Yaris Hatchs and Tacoma Join Date: May 2006 Location: So. Ca. Posts: 78	[QUOTE=nsmitchell]Anyone plan to go Synthetic on their first oil change. Yes. Mobil 1 Car feels and runs smoother. __________________ "HERS"2007 Yaris Hatch BlazzingBlue Power everything Sirius Radio FullSyn Oil 50% tint windshild35% front 5% rear Keyless Entry Alum TRD Shift Knob TRD Exh Tip 17" racing harts/Falkins TRD Cold Air Intake "HIS"2007 Yaris Hatch MedSilverMetallicPower PQ Package 17" Wheels Spoiler TRD ExhTipStiletto100 Radio Armrest 50% tint windshild 35% front windows 5% rear Aluminum TRD Shift Knob Keyless Entry VIP Alarm TRD Cold Air Intake

09-23-2006, 12:28 PM	#60
ketel0ne Drives: 2007 Liftback Blazing Blue Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Charles Town, WV Posts: 104	Which Amsoil filter do I use, specifically the one for the yaris? __________________

10-02-2006, 03:18 PM	#64
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	Amsoil or Royal Purple? Any thoughts or knowledge we should know about? __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

09-22-2006, 11:49 PM	#57
dandj Drives: 07 Yaris sedan auto Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: micigan us Posts: 60	Ok now I plan on switching over to amsoil but will need to know how to reset the change oil light. Anyone? My saturn vue is as simple as turning the key switch to the on position and flooring the gas pedal for 5 seconds. (engine not running of course)

09-23-2006, 01:40 AM	#58
foober Drives: two yaris liftbacks Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kalispell, montana Posts: 351	thanks for all the input on oils. I've been using mobil 1 for 10 years but will now switch to amsoil oils. I just want the best for my babys.

09-25-2006, 10:30 AM	#62
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	After switching to Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 with an Amsoil Ea Oil filter a few months ago on my 2002 Odyssey with 60K miles I noticed my oil is looking dirtier than with Mobil-1. I had been using Mobil-1 0W-20 and Mobil-1 filters in the past. I did not use the Amsoil motor flush before switching from Mobil-1 to Amsoil. I wonder if the Amsoil is cleaning/suspending the small particles that the Mobil-1 wasn't catching. With my next Amsoil oil change, I will be using the Amsoil Motor Flush. Any comments or ideas would be helpful, because I'm baffled!

10-02-2006, 03:44 PM	#65
Racer X-8 Races Little Red Wagons Drives: red '07 Yaris liftback auto. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: warmed-up, SC Posts: 92	Ok, Amsoil is supposed to be right up there and maybe it is the best, i dunno. But, here's a linky to the oil blog going on at the Mazda RX-8 club forum. I'll bet pretty much every car forum has something like this going on for that matter. Bon apetite... http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...5&page=1&pp=15 Oh yeah, one thing about this being the RX-8 forum - Mazda doesn't want the RX-8 to use synthetic oil. The reason is that a minute amount of engine oil is injected directly into the rotary chambers for lubrication of parts in there that have no other way of getting lubricated. It's a rotary thing. So, they're worried about the different kinds of residues left behind in there .vs. the known residues of conventional dino oil. It's basically taken as a CYA maneuver that Mazda is doing, since Mazda can't / won't thoroughly test every synthetic that is out there. Now that you know about that little issue, dive in!

10-02-2006, 04:17 PM	#66
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	Since rotary engines use some oil while operating by design, and since synthetics dont burn up as easily (vaporize) as conventional oils do, they might start to build up over time in the rotary engine. BTW - I was getting a laugh from a BobTheOilGuy.com member complaining about their oil getting black after switching from dino to synthetic. No one there mentioned that the synthetic was suspending all the crap that dino didn't clean in the oil, and that all he needed to do was use an engine flush before going to synthetic. Amsoil makes a flush just for that purpose, as do plenty of other companies. I think most of the engine flushes are just kerosene in a quart can. __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

10-02-2006, 05:50 PM	#67
07WYarisRS HardlyDangerous Drives: 09 Yaris LE, H/B, auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ridgeway Ontario Posts: 573	Don't worry about the color of the oil. Most color is caused by particles in the oil too fine for the regular style filters to trap. If you were to use an Amsoil by pass filter and the 2 micron oil filter set up you oil would still look good even after 100,000 miles. Synthetic will tend to get dirty faster on enegine that were run on dino oils as they clean away deposits that have built up over time and prevent new deposit build ups. That's why the sooner you can switch the better. As for the royal purple VS amsoil question Both are decent oils, However I have personally seen the lab results from a couple of royal purple tests and they showed serious issues with their quality control. In one case the oil grade on the bottle was higher then the actual oil in the bottle. I've also seen high levels of copper and water. Amsoil and Redline IMO are two of the best lubricants out there. Asfor the roatary engines, That does hold some truth But I would not worry about running Amsoil in An RX7 or -8. Poorly refined caster oils (bean oils) do form heavy gummy deposits when exposed to flame and severe heat and this will build up over time. Amsoil or redline oils do not form any such depostis. I have seen some of my engines with hundreds of hours on them and ZERO carbon, ZERO build up anywhere on the combustion chambers or pistons. __________________ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

10-03-2006, 02:17 PM	#68
w1ngzer0 Drives: Subaru Impreza Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 73	Not sure this will help, but one of our admin's is a chemist. He analysed a lot of the oils. there is the link to the thread. Talks about reducing lifter noise and other things. http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/6610

10-03-2006, 08:57 PM	#71
dandj Drives: 07 Yaris sedan auto Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: micigan us Posts: 60	I did the change to amsoil 5-30 this weekend. My auterra showed about a 8% increase in gas mileage but will have to fill up a couple of times before I'll know for sure. (getting just under 39 mpg now)

10-03-2006, 10:03 PM	#72
Violin View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Auto Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,592	I got 187,000 miles on my 1987 turbo RX-7 using Mobil One.

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