Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by Alien Mantis

Bad mistake.
That "glazing putty" is for filling-in tiny scratches.
It is NOT a substitute for BONDO, and you don't ever want to slap a bunch of it on there like you did on your spheres.
You made a mess.
"Glazing putty" is used AFTER the Bondo, to fill-in the tiny scratches.
And also: BEFORE you use the BONDO, you wanna scuff-up the surface with 80-grit sandpaper, so the bondo will adhere to the surface better.
The guy who recommended you do that is obviously not a paint & body man.
You actually WANT a hard surface. Whether it is "easy to sand" or not is not even the issue!
I do like your lamp nipples for the attachment. Nice to run the wires inside them. And good job on the larger washers.
Now GET THEM FINISHED and PAINTED so we can see what they look like!
( gonna look like two big ol` BUG EYES staring at you from the dash! )

Thanks A.M. I knew there was some thing wrong...

Mess or not, I'm having fun! sanding and mixing. Remember that some of the best ideas come from mistakes.

Bad or wrong I'm getting every body in the same boat, and for other newbies like me will learn how not to do it!

I did sand the spheres with 80-grit! before applying glazing putty

This glazing putty gets pretty hard and it's not easy to sand, I can't imagine "Bondo" (I have never worked with Bondo)

I like the lamp nipples too, they are strong and useful. Thanks.

Now to get them finished mmm.... that's going to take a while, you know me I'm very slow

BTW... I would like to finish the spheres with FLOCK, does any body know how to do it or where to buy the materials? or a DIY

These photos show my progress, after 20 minutes of sanding on each sphere and some test fit with the HL-70's and at the end next to a 6.5" Premier component, Huuug the HL-70 look so tiny, just for reference the spheres are 5" diameter. I finished the night work with a second layer of... you know that glazing putty more sanding over the weekend.











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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by packetrace

I really like those A-Pillar with those balls for the tweeter it looks so sweet :D

Thanks packetrace!

But no tweeters here "yet" The HL-70 are Mid-rage drivers; a second set of spheres will host the tweeters!







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LINK to diffractions information
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Thanks again
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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

There's going to be a stage width issue with the spheres, that's the downside. The constructive criticism part is coming out here. I would have made the sphere's aimable on the X and Y axis. Still, let's see how these turn out! I'm excited to see a finished product.

To expand on what AM is saying, for filling space, get some kitty hair in there. Look for long strand filler, then move to short strand, then move to filler, THEN move to glazing putty...THEN move to high build primer...THEN move to texture spray...THEN move to the color.

Guess how many of those steps I used for my A-pillars? ALL OF THEM! There was plenty and I mean PLENTY of sanding going on. That's why my finished pillars look so good. There was a LOT of time spent on them (and to think that I'm not even finished).

"There's going to be a stage width issue with the spheres"

Please expand on this, explain?


" I would have made the sphere's aimable on the X and Y axis"

I thought about it but the anchor would have been too big, and I did what you did testing the L4's aiming in different ways until they sound better, I tried "off axis" up and down I spent like 2 month moving the Mids (HL-70) around until I found the sweet spot, I will do the same for tweeters, like I wrote above tweeters get their spheres too! and these may get a camera pivot at the beginning and then after finding the right aiming will place fixed, all depend on how my new L1v2 will respond inside my car. Yes I did wrote L1v2!


"PLENTY of sanding going on"

I know!!! it scares me, but I'm working on it.


"That's why my finished pillars look so good"...A+


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[packetrace]

I can't wait to see this done.....maybe i could do this with my tweeter in my car :O
They lookso great with those little nertz ..im a kind of jaleous !!

[sqcomp]

We'll hear how they sound when you get them fired up pertaining to the stage width issue.

Also, those mounting holes for the speakers, you can use thread-serts in there as well so you don't chew up the baffle when you take the speakers in and out.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by packetrace

I can't wait to see this done.....maybe i could do this with my tweeter in my car :O
They lookso great with those little nertz ..im a kind of jaleous !!

Yes you can, I don't see why not! the tweeter gets a lot of benefits been in a sphere, in other words you shouldn't be able to locate your tweeter when playing it just disappears

I found this in a Robb Report magazine:







The Mid-range drivers HL-70 from Hertz are beautiful made in Italy


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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

We'll hear how they sound when you get them fired up pertaining to the stage width issue.

Also, those mounting holes for the speakers, you can use thread-serts in there as well so you don't chew up the baffle when you take the speakers in and out.

From DIYMA.com

STAGE WIDTH :
Stage Width refers to the distance between the left and right boundaries of the sound stage. Good systems will create a wide sound stage. Excellent sound systems will have sound stages that appear to surpass the physical boundaries of the vehicle interior.

How the spheres would subtract stage width? in one of the threads a few weeks ago, you told me: "go for the spheres!"


I realize that the distance between drivers it's smaller if using the spheres, that is why I wanted to have them in front of the "sail panels" remember my first attempt; because I wanted the drivers as far away from each other, even I asked what was better if having them further from listener or a little closer but farther apart from each driver... for convenience I decided to go this way, I like the look but also keeping them separated from the A-pillars structure keeping me away from trouble that the joins between the baffle and the A-pillar would "Crack".



I see a lot of Team Hybrids and others installations have the drivers aiming very similar to what I wil have, do they have the same stage width issues?

Here a few installations!





















I agree 100% I'm going to use thread-serts to hold the drivers. "very clever"

Thanks

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[sickpuppy1]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Yes you can, I don't see why not! the tweeter gets a lot of benefits been in a sphere, in other words you shouldn't be able to locate your tweeter when playing it just disappears

I found this in a Robb Report magazine:







The Mid-range drivers HL-70 from Hertz are beautiful made in Italy


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http://www.marklevinson.com/ProductDetails.aspx?prdid=1

Well If your gonna use those speakers, might as well get these amps to push them.....the best you can get....wanna know the price?lol

[packetrace]

hmmmmmm that gives us much idea thanks Derick !!!

[.Kevin.]

WOW looks great man, how did you get the guts to see your car in that condition lol

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by .Kevin.

WOW looks great man, how did you get the guts to see your car in that condition lol

Don't ask me, ask my wife, she went nuts one day when she went down stairs and found all the interior panels and seats all over the place!


she asked me, if I was going to be able to put it back together, I just smile at her.

Thanks

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[sqcomp]

The 1st and 4th pictures are of Jim Becker's old and newer setups. The answer to your question of stage width will be answered by the front end setup track. Run that track through and listen to see if the sound extends beyond the boundaries of the pillars.

You also notice that those pods are MASSIVE! You guys thought mine were big. My pillars are made to highlight imaging and soundstage accuracy.

As for construction details, I understand what and why you're doing it. I'm on your side. I may have done this approach a little differently, but it's not my setup. Make it happen, don't think I'm trying to shoot you down.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

The 1st and 4th pictures are of Jim Becker's old and newer setups. The answer to your question of stage width will be answered by the front end setup track. Run that track through and listen to see if the sound extends beyond the boundaries of the pillars.

You also notice that those pods are MASSIVE! You guys thought mine were big. My pillars are made to highlight imaging and soundstage accuracy.

As for construction details, I understand what and why you're doing it. I'm on your side. I may have done this approach a little differently, but it's not my setup. Make it happen, don't think I'm trying to shoot you down.

Thanks,
It's a learning process and it's just like raising my hand when I don't understand something but besides telling it would have an issue I would like to know why? so we all can learn from the Pros! like you!

I'm going to try and come up with a solution to compensate the stage width by putting the tweeters in front of the sail panels so they are as far apart from each other to create a wider stage!, we'll see... for now I'm grounded with a cold and a terrible toothache!

[Herbicidal]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

...for now I'm grounded with a cold and a terrible toothache!

That sucks. Probably a sinus infection, I would see a doctor sooner than later and get the antibiotics started. Talking from experience here!

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by Herbicidal

That sucks. Probably a sinus infection, I would see a doctor sooner than later and get the antibiotics started. Talking from experience here!

Thanks, I'm on antibiotics since Friday it feels like $hit... and I need a root canal done soon

[derickveliz2]

A little bit more "sanding"... Getting there! the never ending story...

Should buy some primer and thread serts tomorrow






I feel a little better now. Should go to sleep zzzzz
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[sqcomp]

now...put on more and sand again. I see ridges...

*tough love*

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

now...put on more and sand again. I see ridges...

*tough love*

I will!

That is why the pencil is there! jeje

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