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Old 03-05-2007, 08:21 PM   #1
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Hey, I'm no hater. I REALLY enjoyed seeing a Honda CRX doing 11 second runs and keeping even with a modded C5 Vette. The vette blew up 3/4 of the way down the 1/4 mile. You should have heard the cheers as that little CRX came down the return path.

I'm down with the idea...hell I OWN a Yaris. I traded in my SRT for the Yaris. I also know reality and the SRT is under 2900 lbs... and a power to weight of better than 1:10.5 on the SRT's 275 whp on a PROPER stage 2 with toys is much better than the 2500 lb 180 WHP at 1:13.8 of the Yaris. Even is the SRT had the Stage 2 with no water injection it is still better than 1:10.95. The power to weight on the WS6 is 1:10.625...still better than the Yaris.

All I'm saying is that your claim DOES NOT ADD UP. The numbers aren't there.

You're on the opposite coast, I can't test your claim. But I'm sure if I'm ever out at Atco or you're here at Woodburn we can do that.

Oh and a camera mount only costs $35. Think about it next time. I want to be silenced!

THINK OF THE CLOSE RATIO TRANNY OF THE YARII!!! THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE!!!
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:37 PM   #2
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Pretty much the same shift points as the SRT. I know you can max out 1st on the SRT at a little above 30, second is at 60, third is at 90 and 4th is at 120...on the stage 1. Stage 2 has 250 more rpm that it can use at a 6500 rpm redline.

Speaking from experience on the SRT, 1st gear is almost useless if you get excited. You have to be calm on first gear or you'll have NO traction. Second gear you can lose traction if you have a stage 1 + mods and definately a stage 2.

I suppose I can see the 180 WHP S/C vehicle keeping up with a missed second gear. Second gear is LIFE in the SRT. This is where you'll get your maximum acceleration. Third gear however is the one missed most often...and the one that kills the SRT transmission.

Again, I'm NO Yaris hater. I'm just trying to justify a vehicle that doesn't have the HP/weight beating another one on a run like that. I suppose a missed second gear...like was mentioned...is a good reason.
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Old 03-05-2007, 09:42 PM   #3
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Yea i agree with the last sentance above. Whats the reasoning behind hating on another car, if its fast its fast. If another car is faster then its faster. I know if I had a modded car and it had decent power amounts and some lil 4 banger came on and shut me up i wouldnt be pissed. Id make im pullover so we could talk and figure out what hes got done.

I dunno maybe this is just cause im a car lover, and dont just stick to one maker. Id love a 2007 blown mustang gt, a hemi magnum wagon, a new modded infiniti g35, new acura tl type s, a chrysler 300 srt8...i could go on forever.....its just a love for cars.....

but im with you guys and ofcourse im gonna be bias for the car i own and want it to excell more than another.....i love seein that tc smash on the srt-4......but trust me i got mad respect for a heavily modded srt-4........those things sound killer, as does any boosted car.....

i dunno, i just dont think theres a reason to argue over all this.....
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:50 PM   #4
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:02 AM   #5
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Not hating...everything being what it is, I see a bit of fudging on the story as well. And WHY now are we now at 210 WHP for the Yaris when I was reading a 180 WHP from the start? Someone is trying to add some HP here! Where are those charts that were said we could see?

I've adjusted the Yaris' weight to 2293 and 180 WHP...you're STILL at 12.738 lbs/ HP!!!!

From several sources, I'm seeing the weight of the SRT-4 at 2880 and a stage 2 WITHOUT turbo toys is 265 WHP...is 10.867 lbs/ HP. That puts it at less than the stock WS6, when the turbo toys is factored in at 10 HP more you're at 10.47 lbs/ HP.

Now, with that being said, the STOCK SRT dynoed at 220 WHP...which it does baseline at...I have my first dyno sheet, you're looking at 12.09 lbs/ HP. I can definately believe the S/C Yaris beating a stock SRT...at least until 4th gear when the Yaris' ECU tops itself out. Is the 115 or 120 mph the stock limit? That's when the stock SRT would pull away.

THOSE #'s are no lie. I'm being as transparent as I can. I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that the S/C Yaris is a blast.

These #'s are solid. If the SRT driver did indeed miss 2nd gear, I can see the Yaris catching up and then pulling almost evenly until 4th gear...possibly.

Regardless...I say get that engine built up correctly on the bottom end, follow it up with an upgraded drive train and you can probably get a 250 WHP daily driver. THAT idea is fun to me.
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Old 03-06-2007, 09:20 AM   #6
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A stage 2 SRT4 will BLOW THE DOORS OFF A 180WHP YARIS!!! You guys have got to be kidding me right? A stage 2 SRT4 traps a solid 106-108, a stock Yaris traps like 80, you telling me a small turbo kit adds almost THIRTY MILES PER HOUR TO THE TRAP?!@?
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Old 03-06-2007, 11:49 AM   #7
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I'm trying to justify the claim that our fellow member beat a stage 2 with some known performance numbers. The power to weight numbers just don't match up.

What I'd like to know is, if indeed the SRT owner missed second gear the first time, why didn't you two "friends" go at it again? I would love to entertain a friend who just put on a pretty kick a$$ mod. Like I said before, second gear IS LIFE for the SRT below a stage 3.

I sure as hell would have called my friends to bring the video cameras for 1.5 Liter 180 hp Yaris blast. That's not even a question. Although we break out the camera at every track day anyway, so it's nothing big.

Hell, I honestly don't care THAT much because I'm NEVER going to break into the engine of my daily driver.
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:17 PM   #8
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210 was my guesstimate at hp not whp. 182x15% drivetrain loss. To be honest I have no idea who won or who would win. I am not a bench racer. I can tell you a stock f-body is not the fast so that is very likely. SRT-4 is pretty fast with a turbo upgrade.

Either way this is retarded. The car is making good power is getting 4-5mpg better mileage and is at least hanging with cars it never should.

That is what is important.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:39 PM   #9
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Just watched the video clips and I'm impressed that's no commuter car anymore
Now to subscribe to the thread for the updates..release the kit already
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:29 PM   #10
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Either way this is retarded. The car is making good power is getting 4-5mpg better mileage and is at least hanging with cars it never should.

That is what is important.
Agreed.
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:26 PM   #11
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210 was my guesstimate at hp not whp. 182x15% drivetrain loss. To be honest I have no idea who won or who would win. I am not a bench racer. I can tell you a stock f-body is not the fast so that is very likely. SRT-4 is pretty fast with a turbo upgrade.

Either way this is retarded. The car is making good power is getting 4-5mpg better mileage and is at least hanging with cars it never should.

That is what is important.

IM ALWAYS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE YARIS WILL WIN BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE RATIO TRANNY IT HAS!!! IT ONLY GOES UP TO 121MPH WHICH IS ALWAYS FASTER ON THE 0-60 & 60-100, I'll always place my BET on the Yarii!

F*CK THAT SRT-4 CRAP!

BTW CAN I PLEASE SEE A VIDEO OF A YARIS BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THE SRT-4 STAGE 2 ???
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Old 03-06-2007, 02:41 PM   #12
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ZPI...you're absolutely correct.

That is THE point to what you're producing.

(I'm NOT being sarchastic either) I think it's pretty cool regardless of who beats who. Good sales to you! Make it happen.
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:40 PM   #13
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Yeah, I'm sure they are going to waste valuable time racing the car with others, when the rest of us just want them to perfect the system/get it on the market for us.

Race on your own after you have it.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:01 PM   #14
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ROADRUNNER, is your yaris an auto????
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Old 03-07-2007, 12:55 PM   #15
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Rockland,

*DeNiro* ...You talkin' to me?
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Old 03-15-2007, 10:26 PM   #16
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lol u guys have obviously never driven an srt-4
oh yeah by the way a stage 2 srt runs a high 12 second mile (seen it with my own eyes) , good luck catching it with 180whp even at 2000 lbs

i own both cars, and I know what im talking about thanks
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Old 03-16-2007, 11:27 AM   #17
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Thank you snake. They don't believe you. I do since I've owned one and I'm still in the SRT mix with my good friend's SRT. Lots of tourqe off the stage 2, often a good bit more than 330 ft lbs and 275 Hp. The power to weight numbers favor the stage 2 heavily. I'd think it'd be a good way to make $50 on a run at the track...especially when they'll claim a 12 second run off stock bagel sized tires. Mmmm'kay.
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Old 03-16-2007, 11:32 AM   #18
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ZPI should put as much effort into the ill fitting exhausts, as they did a full turbo setup..
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