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_S7V7N_ · 01-24-2011, 11:59 AM

It's about 65 here today

derickveliz2 · 01-25-2011, 02:06 AM

Here are some thoughts (Graphically) about Auto TA + Auto EQ with the P99...

Before...
Some instruments coming from left & right at the same time
Voice did the same and couldn't really locate it
I felt kind of on the left side of the stage

After...
Me right in the middle of the stage
Voice is clear and can be located very easy
Each instrument has it's own position
This is the hardest one for my brain... my stage goes beyond the left window, it's wired I have to close my eyes (NOT in motion) to feel and understand being in the center of the stage and the right side doesn't goes all the way to the right, like 12 inches from the left window towards the driver, leaving me in the center of the stage... also it's deeper and higher, and forgot to mention that most of the bass feels like coming from the front at about chest level.
And in some songs, I swear I can hear a rear speaker playing a specific instrument or sound.

Sounds AWESOME!

BEFORE:

AFTER:

D.

sqcomp · 01-25-2011, 02:53 AM

Derick...

The only guidance I'll want to give you is off the IASCA rules for staging. That seems like what you're going after.

PM me with your time alignment numbers and other settings in the audio section.

What track are you listening to?

Do you have "Too Close" off the IASCA SQ cd(or any of the latest IASCA cd)? We can talk exactly where things are supposed to be. We can also use the seven drums track to align this correctly. How about some Diana Krall? Get with me and we'll dial this in more accurately.

sickpuppy1 · 01-25-2011, 07:18 AM

ohhh, Diana Krall ! Listen and notice the .....reaction! I love her style.

sqcomp · 01-25-2011, 11:29 AM

I'm going for tracks that have defined staging and clean recording. I'd rather go with a live performance as well.

sickpuppy1 · 01-25-2011, 11:02 PM

Any opinion on DVC vs SCV subs? assuming its matched to the amp and all. Single sub system in a sealed box. I've heard you can put a little more power to the DVC. I thinking of the same brand too.

derickveliz2 · 01-26-2011, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'm going for tracks that have defined staging and clean recording. I'd rather go with a live performance as well.

Any song in particular, I'm buying an album (live performance) and a couple of songs.

D.

derickveliz2 · 01-26-2011, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick...

The only guidance I'll want to give you is off the IASCA rules for staging. That seems like what you're going after.

PM me with your time alignment numbers and other settings in the audio section.

What track are you listening to?

Do you have "Too Close" off the IASCA SQ cd(or any of the latest IASCA cd)? We can talk exactly where things are supposed to be. We can also use the seven drums track to align this correctly. How about some Diana Krall? Get with me and we'll dial this in more accurately.

Here some DATA... Before and After Auto TA & EQ from the software of the P99

derickveliz2 · 01-26-2011, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

Any song in particular, I'm buying an album (live performance) and a couple of songs.

D.

Mmmm too many options...

LINK

D.

sqcomp · 01-26-2011, 12:42 PM

Oh GAWD...

Okay, let's try this:

I'm noticing huge frequency gaps on the crossover section on your setup. Here's some of my screens:

^Sub woofer frequency and slope

^Mid Woofer frequency and slopes on both ends

^Mid range frequency and slopes on both ends

^Tweeter frequency and slope

^My T/A based off ear. I did the auto T/A and it was NOT even close to good by any means. This way has spectacular response with my setup.

You wanna do Live in Paris? I have that on DVD and in the car. That was a great performance!

derickveliz2 · 01-26-2011, 10:56 PM

Are you in cm or inches?

I'm trying to digest all this...

Thanks,
I'll get the music and we'll talk,
D.

derickveliz2 · 01-26-2011, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

You wanna do Live in Paris? I have that on DVD and in the car. That was a great performance!

Got it! I'll listen it tomorrow, will let you know my thoughts!

Thanks

D.

sqcomp · 01-27-2011, 12:26 AM

Oh...he he...probably another difference between the Japanese deck and the American version! Metric baby!

sqcomp · 01-27-2011, 12:37 AM

Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track.

derickveliz2 · 01-27-2011, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track.

I found the artist but can't find the song...

LINK

D.
PS... I get cm and inches! jeje

derickveliz2 · 01-29-2011, 01:34 AM

Ok, so plying with Auto TA & EQ it's been a great experience I've been learning a lot, and thanks to SQcomp imput I've been playing with TA, and now I can move the voice to the center of the stage, and the 7 drums are much better now, the only down side that I'm find out, is Depth... the stage seems very close to where I'm, this could be because of the angle of my mids, but we are learning here, check out the graph for the 7 drums...

D.

derickveliz2 · 01-29-2011, 01:46 AM

About Diana Krall...

I can put her voice in the middle of the stage, right above the HU and the Shift (5 speed).

I'm not an expert in music or instruments but I can tell that the piano is on the right, the drums (cymbals) on the left, with an electric guitar, the bass (instrument) is kind of in the middle/left or everywhere, can't really locate it.

sqcomp · 01-29-2011, 11:39 AM

Okay...now I think is where we play with the T/A. That entire picture needs to move up to the dash now. This has more to do with the actual positioning of the speakers (Path Length Differences). You now have the performance where it should be, in front of you, it's time to move a little bit back. This is why I played with the positioning of my speakers for a week before placing them permanently.

Take a look on Youtube for one of her Live in Paris tracks. The you'll see where the performers sit on stage. That should give you an excellent reference.

I can tell you that my stage is very much like yours Derick yet farther up on the dash, close to where the glass meets with the glass...and up a bit in height.

01-24-2011, 11:59 AM	#955
_S7V7N_ Drives: Yaris 4 Door Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 805	It's about 65 here today __________________ Audio is under Construction Kenwood KDC-X794 Hifonics Zeus ZXI6.5C 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component Speaker System - AUTOTEK ATX65CX 6.5-Inch Hifonics BXi 1210D - Crunch PowerZone P1400.4 (2)12 inch Kicker CVR's - 0 gauge from battery to Distribution block - 4 Gauge Power/Grounds to amps - Duralast Yellow Top - Big 3

01-25-2011, 02:06 AM	#956
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Here are some thoughts (Graphically) about Auto TA + Auto EQ with the P99... Before... Some instruments coming from left & right at the same time Voice did the same and couldn't really locate it I felt kind of on the left side of the stage After... Me right in the middle of the stage Voice is clear and can be located very easy Each instrument has it's own position This is the hardest one for my brain... my stage goes beyond the left window, it's wired I have to close my eyes (NOT in motion) to feel and understand being in the center of the stage and the right side doesn't goes all the way to the right, like 12 inches from the left window towards the driver, leaving me in the center of the stage... also it's deeper and higher, and forgot to mention that most of the bass feels like coming from the front at about chest level. And in some songs, I swear I can hear a rear speaker playing a specific instrument or sound. Sounds AWESOME! BEFORE: AFTER: D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-25-2011, 02:53 AM	#957
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Derick... The only guidance I'll want to give you is off the IASCA rules for staging. That seems like what you're going after. PM me with your time alignment numbers and other settings in the audio section. What track are you listening to? Do you have "Too Close" off the IASCA SQ cd(or any of the latest IASCA cd)? We can talk exactly where things are supposed to be. We can also use the seven drums track to align this correctly. How about some Diana Krall? Get with me and we'll dial this in more accurately. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-25-2011, 07:18 AM	#958
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	ohhh, Diana Krall ! Listen and notice the .....reaction! I love her style. __________________

01-25-2011, 11:29 AM	#959
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I'm going for tracks that have defined staging and clean recording. I'd rather go with a live performance as well. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-25-2011, 11:02 PM	#960
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Any opinion on DVC vs SCV subs? assuming its matched to the amp and all. Single sub system in a sealed box. I've heard you can put a little more power to the DVC. I thinking of the same brand too. __________________

01-26-2011, 12:42 PM	#964
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Oh GAWD... Okay, let's try this: I'm noticing huge frequency gaps on the crossover section on your setup. Here's some of my screens: ^Sub woofer frequency and slope ^Mid Woofer frequency and slopes on both ends ^Mid range frequency and slopes on both ends ^Tweeter frequency and slope ^My T/A based off ear. I did the auto T/A and it was NOT even close to good by any means. This way has spectacular response with my setup. You wanna do Live in Paris? I have that on DVD and in the car. That was a great performance! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine Last edited by sqcomp; 01-26-2011 at 12:55 PM.

01-26-2011, 10:56 PM	#965
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Are you in cm or inches? I'm trying to digest all this... Thanks, I'll get the music and we'll talk, D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-27-2011, 12:26 AM	#967
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Oh...he he...probably another difference between the Japanese deck and the American version! Metric baby! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-27-2011, 12:37 AM	#968
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Oh! Here's another album that is a GREAT reference. Get Telarc's Oscar Peterson Live at the Blue Note. Sweet Georgia Brown is a fun jazzy track that is done at a smallish ballroom type venue. It is best described as comfortable sounding ambiance. The track in particular is a back and forth between Oscar Peterson and Herb Ellis on guitar. It is a REALLY nice track. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-29-2011, 01:34 AM	#970
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Ok, so plying with Auto TA & EQ it's been a great experience I've been learning a lot, and thanks to SQcomp imput I've been playing with TA, and now I can move the voice to the center of the stage, and the 7 drums are much better now, the only down side that I'm find out, is Depth... the stage seems very close to where I'm, this could be because of the angle of my mids, but we are learning here, check out the graph for the 7 drums... D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-29-2011, 01:46 AM	#971
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	About Diana Krall... I can put her voice in the middle of the stage, right above the HU and the Shift (5 speed). I'm not an expert in music or instruments but I can tell that the piano is on the right, the drums (cymbals) on the left, with an electric guitar, the bass (instrument) is kind of in the middle/left or everywhere, can't really locate it. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

01-29-2011, 11:39 AM	#972
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Okay...now I think is where we play with the T/A. That entire picture needs to move up to the dash now. This has more to do with the actual positioning of the speakers (Path Length Differences). You now have the performance where it should be, in front of you, it's time to move a little bit back. This is why I played with the positioning of my speakers for a week before placing them permanently. Take a look on Youtube for one of her Live in Paris tracks. The you'll see where the performers sit on stage. That should give you an excellent reference. I can tell you that my stage is very much like yours Derick yet farther up on the dash, close to where the glass meets with the glass...and up a bit in height. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

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