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Also, people who drive 15 MPG trucks *do* pay more than the guy driving a 30 MPG car......they pay for it at the pump and if they are OK with spending twice as much to go half as far then that's their prerogative. You also mention how great Sweden is as well as the UK & Canada . Did you know that Sweden is the largest welfare state? Income tax rates top out at nearly 60% to pay for all the social programs there. That's for people making anything more than $75,000 US.....can you imagine paying 59.17% tax on $75000? Your take home pay would be $30,600. I take home more than that and I make just under $50K a year! That's the max. example though.....here's the breakdown (numbers are approximate and include all municipal & national taxes): $0-$52,000 (US) has a minimum tax rate of 28.89% and a max of 34.17% $52,000-$74,000 has a minimum tax rate of 48.89% and a max of 54.17% $74,000 and up has a minimum tax rate of 53.89% and a maximum of 59.17% By comparison, right now in the US the top tier earners (those making more than $373,650 pay 35% federal tax (plus whatever your state income tax rate is)....the effective rate for both combined are generally less than 45%. This is for high income earners and depends on where you live and what you make. Here are the websites I got my info from: http://www.taxrates.cc/html/sweden-tax-rates.html http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm http://www.xe.com/ucc/ Probably more info than anyone wanted....oh well. The point is, countries like Sweden aren't some sort of ideal that we should be striving towards. If it works for them great. Have at it, but that is not what this country is all about. I don't want or need anyone telling me how to live my life. I can take care of myself thank-you very much. If anyone feels otherwise it isn't all that hard to renounce your citizenship and move to Skandinavia. I hope you like lutefisk! Yum! That was probably the longest post I've ever made on any forum I belong to.....sorry. I just fail to grasp how anyone feels it is their duty to tell someone else what they should or should not do with their life. The beauty of living in the United States is that you have freedom of choice. If you choose to drive a 15MPG gas guzzler you can. I choose to drive a Yaris and a 50-year old British car.....it's my choice and if I later choose to drive something else I can and will. |
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09-10-2010, 07:55 AM | #92 |
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I would suggest you try listening to more than the liberal news....the truth might surprise you!
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09-10-2010, 09:24 AM | #93 | |
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I usually listen to Limbaugh on the radio and he sounds like a total whacko who's on drugs ,great for lunch time laughs,Glenn Beck and his recent God complex is also some one drinking the Koolaid,good for entertainment only. There is precious little truth to be had over on Fox. Their probable take on the Yaris? let me guess = crappy little Jap econo box that only commie socialist enviro nazi's would consider driving. |
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09-10-2010, 09:34 AM | #94 | |
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But at the same time who dictates what “proper behavior” is? And if I get cancer I will deal with it with my OWN insurance and not crappy Lolbamacare..... I've paid for my own insurance since I was 17 and I have taken care of myself just fine. Don't speak down to me because I don’t discreetly pee in public apparently..... Some of us come here to unwind and not have to be completely grammar and pc conscience... I for one work a corporate gig and am one of the most responsible people you'll know if you met me. Maybe I'm the grown up for keeping my snake in my trousers (just a thought). But seriously I'm just a gun toting bible thumping conservative that watches Aljazeera, BBC, and even on occasion CNN and MSNBC. And having a truck that is 15 MPG is not the same as first class. People don’t die over anything with that other than oil war crossfire. I honestly couldn't care less about those people as I've been there and seen that with my own eyes and I have nothing for disgust for the culture that unfortunately owns most of the free world with blood/oil money. You want to be self righteous and make a difference? Go brain a few Saudi Royal figures then come back and talk to me. I'm going to be labeled as either racist or misinformed but I'll tell you this, after 4 tour VOLUNTARILY I feel I have both a justified and well rounded view of the subculture that is eventually going to turn that desert into glass because no one is educated. The ones who are tend to be blood lust drunk for power and are crazy enough to fire Da Nuke. Stop complaining about the natural cycle of the earth being something that only humans effect and realize that life and the earth is a cycle. Just my .02 though.
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09-10-2010, 12:12 PM | #96 | |
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I don't know why so many people in this thread think they know better than thousands of scientist who have researched, reviewed, and debated over the last century. They are scientist and their job is to look at things objectively. The conspiracy theories that keep on being posted here are by people with ulterior motives. |
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The problem with your thinking is, that if you end up in the ER, they will save you first and then ask for insurance; they won't let you die... It's not about pollution, it's about politics and wars. The Arabs hate us because we're in Saudi Arabia and everyone knows WHY we are in Saudi Arabia.
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You probably know this better than me, but in Afganistan, aren't we firing $10k missiles at $100 tents? How is that for sensible policy?
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Sounds like you got him with both barrels!
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09-10-2010, 01:56 PM | #100 | |
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The earth has been in cooling and heating cycles for millions of years. It is pure madness to think that anything man has done could have such an effect on that cycle. But just keep on believing people like Al Gore and you will be that intelligent idiot!
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"The cycle" has been proven through ice core analysis to be caused by greenhouse gases from volcanic activity building up. How is it madness to think that dumping tons of co2 into the atmosphere isn't going to effect the cycle in anyway. Saying something has been happening for millions of years is not proof man can't influence the cycle. |
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Liberals love to pontificate, yet never really care to examine the other side of the argument. And then they try to say how intelligent they are. You can look in the mirror an fool yourself, but I am not convinced!
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Now do some research. Fuel is needed to run the car. Either at the generation station or in your fuel tank. Which makes less pollution?. The cars of course. |
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09-10-2010, 08:47 PM | #106 |
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Just to recap...
1) Oil is made by mother earth converting (predominately) limestone under extreme heat and pressure not dead dinosaurs. Coal is desiccated oil (Made by MOTHER EARTH) and neither is running out ANYTIME soon. Besides that we waste billions upon billions of gallons of fuel by not using our abundant resources (THORIUM) wisely. 2)Global warming is UN orchestrated tax and control scam. Earth is not warming any more than is normal when coming out of a little ice age... Climate ALWAYS changes... they once to ice-skated on the Thames and Grapes grew well in Great Briton... all well documented. Its the sun... The sun (its cycles) and the Earth's relationship to it (orbit eccentricity) which determines climate warming and cooling. 3) CO2 is neither a pollutant (especially in the minuscule concentration in our atmosphere) nor is it a cause of climate change. The CO2 cycle lags the climate not the other way around as was claimed in philandering sex freak Al Gore's propaganda piece: An inconvenient lie. 4)Both political parties are bought and paid for by the corporations. Presidents of both stripes are paid pathological liars who will say and do anything their masters want them to say and do... Ain't a dimes worth of difference between any of them.. They're all rat B*ASTARDS! Old people (like me) know this... the young people (like photo taker) are still too gullible and too naive, having only recently emerged from the indoctrination camps we call "school" in this country, to accept this... That my friends is COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. 5)The so-called GOVERNMENT is in the process of morphing away from the constitution and the principles of individualism this country was founded on to collectivism where a self-appointed un-elected paternalistic technocratic elite will make all decisions for everybody like it or not. Make no mistake all will NOT like it, especially when their number is up and they themselves are summoned to the soylent green factory! The bipartisan backstabbing elite will succeed in their hostile take-over of this once great country, morphing it into the totalitarian fascist dictatorship of their dreams, one that will make Hitler and Mussolini proud when the (photo-takers) completely cede their though process' to the elite controlled pied pipers at either MSNBC or FAUX or communist Thom Hartman or drug addled gas bag Rush Limbaugh and when us old people (having watched the complete de-construction of our once great country) are dead and gone. I've given up hope that the process can be stopped... It will run its murderous course because human nature does not change. And that is the name of that tune... Last edited by nmgolfer; 09-10-2010 at 08:58 PM. |
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One more thing... Photod.ude I'm calling you on your BS. What you are saying about the density of air is absurd.. Density is a function altitude not CO2 emmision.. Heat Capacity of AIR Cp does not vary much at all with density. Also helium is in much higher concentration in the upper atmosphere... Why do you suppose that is?
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I also think that corporations have too much control of our government, and I went to private schools. All governments are founded as collectives, that's what a government is. As Abe said "of the people, by the people, for the people." Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you are smarter than me. Last edited by PhotoDu.de; 09-10-2010 at 11:15 PM. |
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