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10-12-2012, 01:53 PM | #109 |
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I've seen that dyno float around many times and its always associated with RichardHoldener but basically its a custom intake manifold, intake, long tube, and race exhaust which adds a considerable amount of cost to the project plus those parts don't exist and no one has been able to duplicate them so I don't believe its real. Most of the dynos fall in the low 120's to low 130's with high 110's being the norm for stock. I'm just saying 140's are unlikely to be seen from a 2zr swap.
40lbs is quite a bit of weight to add for 20hp but even so you still need an all the supporting parts to make it work plus its such a small gain I don't think its worth the effort. I don't see what the issue with the c50 transmission is, for a higher powered engine the gear ratio's aren't terrible you just need to get a better final drive but that's not even that big of an issue since the weight gain is 80 lbs total for an extra almost 80 hp plus you also have room to grow and the engine has way better aftermarket support whereas the 2zr does not. The only reason I can see someone going with the 2zr is if they wan't to remain CARB compliant in which case I'd just sell the car and buy something else because it would be far easier and less of a hassle to get the power you want and still remain emissions compliant. Like I said before I'd much rather swap to 3mz or a 2gr or even a 2az before I'd even consider a 2zr engine simply because the gains are more inline with someone who's modding a car would expect for power output. |
10-12-2012, 09:30 PM | #110 |
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aucorium ran 145/140 whp/wtq
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40105 guy on matrixowners.com ran 118whp with intake, header, axleback on a slushbox. that could be about 135whp with a proper transmission. also, keep in mind that the stock matrix/corolla/xd exhaust shrinks down to 1.75" (like the yaris) after the resonator, so removing the axleback/muffler section only would have less gains than adding a midpipe (available now through rpm headers, actually) anyways, i see what you're saying, the cost/benefit ratio could be skewed. turbo is still likely the best bang-for-the-buck, but i still love to entertain the idea of the 2zrfe swap. i think it can be done on the (relatively) cheap. edit: this dyno too, slushbox 2zrfe corolla with intake 116whp (could also be as high as 134-135whp with a manual (25% loss assumed for auto vs 13% for manual) - - 116whp/0.75 = 155bhp x 0.87 = 134.5whp manual) 2zz/c60 would also require switching to a throttle cable...and you'd need both the engine and transmission. 2zz's run $1000-1500 and c60's are 500-1000...plus all the other stuff. for potentialy "simplicity", i still like the 2zrfe
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10-12-2012, 09:56 PM | #111 |
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the 2zz is compatible with the c50 and to keep the tb you'd just need to make an adaptor so you can use a tb from a drive by wire car like the tc or xrs matrix.
I get why you like the 2zr swap but looking at it by cost to benefit it just doesn't make sense unless you plan on boosting or something. |
10-13-2012, 08:26 AM | #112 | |
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You NEED the close ratio 6 due to the 2zz's peaky/short powerband
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10-13-2012, 08:42 AM | #113 |
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X2 but my folks have the '03 XRS with the higher redline. 1st-2nd even as close as the gears are still puts you out of lift for a few hundred RPM shifting at 8300. The 5 speed would be useless with the 2ZZ.
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10-13-2012, 03:38 PM | #114 |
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I never found an issue with the Vibe GT transmission I'm sure a close ratio 6 is better but the Vibe GT and Matrix XRS are also quite a bit heavier over the Yaris your talking about a 550-600 lb difference between the Matrix and 800 for the Vibe.
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10-14-2012, 08:21 AM | #115 |
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Again, not sure where you get your info....the matrix vibe twins, except for body work, are identical. The 03-06 Vibe GT, I can assure you, is a 6 speed with a c60. The XRS/GT both weigh 2800lbs or so.
Its the 09+ XRS/GT that have the 2.4L 5 speed (same as the Camry/tC/xB2) with a beefed up curb weight of 3000+lbs Bluevitz, you can land in lift 1-2 with the 03 lift of 6200rpm (I also used to have an 03 ecu in my 04 XRS) you just need to run it to the limiter and powershift into second... Its only the celica's that really varied their redline from 8200, 8400 fuel cut. But to the best of my knowledge the always had lift at 6200rpm. 03 vibe/matrix was 6200, 04 6500, 05/06 (including Corolla ) was a useless 6800rpm. The corolla was actually pretty quick still due to 2500lb curb weight.
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10-14-2012, 08:35 AM | #116 |
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I'm just talking normal shifting 1-2 from limiter drops it down to around 5900-6000. Just under lift for a few seconds. The 5speed would be down to 4xxx for sure.
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10-14-2012, 08:55 AM | #117 |
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Shred. Only person I recall using a 5peed with a 2zzge was a guy screen named war in Alberta (iirc the location) had an imported MRS and built up the 2zz for turbo. He wanted Tue wider gears of the 5 speed since lift didn't matter for his setup and he raced on track, so less shifting was better
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11-27-2012, 04:03 AM | #118 |
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03-28-2013, 03:20 PM | #119 |
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So according to the sticky, a 2zz can be swapped into the sedan. If I were to do that, I'd want motor/tranny combination, yes? And how tough would that be since mine is an automatic?
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04-09-2013, 04:27 PM | #120 |
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Has anyone thought about a fwd Sr20de engine from like an Infiniti G20 or a bluebirds nissan series?idk just a thought.
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04-09-2013, 05:32 PM | #121 |
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I am sure everyone has thought of every motor imaginable.
ANY motor swap is possible if you have the resources and funds. esp. from a different manufacturer. cant use the same ecu, would have to go standalone. custom everything from mounts to shift linkages, axles, exhaust, hoses. Again, its possible. just ridiculously expensive if you don't like wiring and welding and alot of trial and error
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04-09-2013, 11:41 PM | #122 |
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^ That post should be stickied at the TOP. Save us a lot of time.
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04-10-2013, 04:37 AM | #123 |
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To the top of each page also.. I feel people don't even look at post #1. At least he posted in the right thread instead of starting a new one.
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04-10-2013, 11:01 PM | #124 |
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every motor imaginable, and some you wouldn't dream of. If you throw me a trunk full of $1000 bills.
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05-05-2013, 11:03 PM | #125 |
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4E-FTE Yaris
Hey Guys! Noob here... Don´t know if I´m posting in the correct place or not but here it goes. Wanted to know what would be the possibility of being able to fit an 4E-FTE with its 5 speed tranny into a third generation yaris. Would this be at all feasable, viable, possible?
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05-06-2013, 11:37 AM | #126 |
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way too much work for such little horse power motor. You may have a better chance sourcing out a 2zr motor from a euro yaris. Pretty much bolt right in prob with the euro motor mounts to go with it. Getting the wire harness and ecu also and trying to wire that up also. Depending if its LHD or RHD may have to extend alot of wires.
The 4E-FTE is only 130ish hp and so is the 2ZR. just getting a supercharger is way less headache and cheaper for the same amount of power
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