Guns

[stuffy]

Originally Posted by PaidTimeOff

The state also has the 3rd highest population of all the states in the nation. More people = more crime regardless. I'm going by what my friend, WHO LIVED THERE, experienced. How long have you lived in Texas? Also, obviously different areas of a state are more dangerous than others. He's just going by what he himself experienced and what people he knew in the area experienced. He felt that everyone carrying guns led to much fewer muggings and violent crimes in his area because criminals don't have to worry only about the police shooting them up when they pull a gun out.

And regardless, you've ignored my final point. If guns are outlawed, then the only people with guns are the criminals. Illicit drugs are also illegal, but that doesn't stop people from finding ways to get them.

it's got nothing to do with the size of the population, it is the rate of crime per capita.

i wasnt' commenting on your final point- only that your friend's anecdotal evidence isnt' borne out by the statistics.
don't take my word for it, just google crime rates.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by stuffy

your friend needs to check his facts, texas has one of the highest rates of violent crime and property crime in your country.

this probably has more to do with median income than whether or not people carry guns.

If you are so keen on fact-checking, then how about doing a little yourself? Because you are the one who needs to check his facts!

According to the 2004 US Census, Texas was ranked 12th out of 50 states for violent crimes. Sorry, but 12th cannot be called "one of the highest rates of violent crime and property crime in your country."

And, Texas has the second highest GDP of all the states (source), so your income remark is bullshit as well!

So you've been called out on two accounts. Maybe you ought to do a little more research next time before spouting crap that you cannot support!

[Bob_VT]

Road rage weapon

[nemelek]

My dad's 45 from WW2. I haven't fired it in 10 years.

[darthbauer]

Originally Posted by nemelek

My dad's 45 from WW2. I haven't fired it in 10 years.

Get to the range now and fire off a mag. It wants to be shot.

[Bob_VT]

Complete with a lanyard loop. Very nice. Keep it oiled.

Yup PK thats a 1911

[Bob_VT]

What brand is it? And what is the serial # just use xxx for the last 3 digits and I will look it up.

It has the pre-war commercial grip plates and the trigger has been changed to the long trigger by the looks.

[nemelek]

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

What brand is it? And what is the serial # just use xxx for the last 3 digits and I will look it up.

It has the pre-war commercial grip plates and the trigger has been changed to the long trigger by the looks.

It is a COLT MODEL OF 1911 U.S. ARMY. SN**8474. It has United States Property printed on it.

[bigjimmysrock]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

So I voted for Obama like everyone else, then I find out the Democrats are going to make it tough to buy new guns and may nix the CCW's

So to all of those out there with guns, what do you carry or just like to shoot

Just picked this up today, did a little reseach on the best CCW's, and this one topped the list
S&W 638, I opted for the "bodygaurd" and all that means is it is a spurless hammer
shoots +P 38 specials, nice and light, easy to conseal



I also have a S&W SC9 - basicly a sub compact 9mm, 7 round mag
I will take some pix here soon

well im in texas so i didnt vote for oboma like you and further more watched tv before hand to know the little things like were they stand on such topics, and yes im going to get a shotgun here pretty soon to take care of any intruders!

[darthbauer]

I knew all to well Obama's stance on gun control and the 2nd amendment.

I voted for McCain even though he was a supporter of the original AWB.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by bigjimmysrock

well im in texas so i didnt vote for oboma like you and further more watched tv before hand to know the little things like were they stand on such topics, and yes im going to get a shotgun here pretty soon to take care of any intruders!

Mossberg Persuader!



The stock comes off to make an excellent pistol-gripped HD shottie when loaded up with 3" Magnum 00-buckshot shells! Should cost around $320, but prices have gone up. Check out the next SAXET Gun Show at the Freeman Coliseum 6-7 December, there still may be some deals.

Cheers! M2

[stuffy]

@madmax,
it's true i did a bit of generalizing but as far as i'm concerned, i'm not wrong.

nope, i didn't spend a lot of time studying the stats, you're right, 12th is not one of the highest but it's in the top quarter- so my apologies for that giant leap

texas has a big population, so sure it has a big gsp, but gsp per capita is below average.
what i was really talking about median family incomes, in which texas is below the national average.
the reason i brought this up was to illustrate the correlation between crime and lower incomes- it's the same in canada, i'm sure it's the same in texas.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by stuffy

@madmax,
it's true i did a bit of generalizing but as far as i'm concerned, i'm not wrong.

nope, i didn't spend a lot of time studying the stats, you're right, 12th is not one of the highest but it's in the top quarter- so my apologies for that giant leap

texas has a big population, so sure it has a big gsp, but gsp per capita is below average.
what i was really talking about median family incomes, in which texas is below the national average.
the reason i brought this up was to illustrate the correlation between crime and lower incomes- it's the same in canada, i'm sure it's the same in texas.

Convince yourself all you want, but once again you are not basing your assumptions on facts and once again you are wrong! Texas is ranked 20th out of 50 for per capita GDP based on United States Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) data from 2006. I am sure you can do the math, 20th out of 50 is not below average.

I am sure you would be upset if someone generalized that all Canadians are pacifists, boring, uncritical (with a few exceptions), socialist, anti-gun, non-patriotic, resentful towards success and are blindly and obsessively anti-American. Plus, you lack culture...have you ever heard of anyone eating at a Canadian restaurant or driving a Canadian car? I suspect you would be, and I could understand why. I was lucky enough to work with the Canadian military on several occassions while with NATO, and I am good friends with the Canadian liaison officer at the organization where I work; so I know those sterotypes aren't always true. So do us all a favor and quit making generalizations about a place you most likely have never been to and one you know nothing about. Or, if you feel you must continue to do so, try doing a little research first and back up your claims with facts. Otherwise, you just end up looking like a jerk!

[stuffy]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Convince yourself all you want, but once again you are not basing your assumptions on facts and once again you are wrong! Texas is ranked 20th out of 50 for per capita GDP based on United States Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) data from 2006. I am sure you can do the math, 20th out of 50 is not below average.

I am sure you would be upset if someone generalized that all Canadians are pacifists, boring, uncritical (with a few exceptions), socialist, anti-gun, non-patriotic, resentful towards success and are blindly and obsessively anti-American. Plus, you lack culture...have you ever heard of anyone eating at a Canadian restaurant or driving a Canadian car? I suspect you would be, and I could understand why. I was lucky enough to work with the Canadian military on several occassions while with NATO, and I am good friends with the Canadian liaison officer at the organization where I work; so I know those sterotypes aren't always true. So do us all a favor and quit making generalizations about a place you most likely have never been to and one you know nothing about. Or, if you feel you must continue to do so, try doing a little research first and back up your claims with facts. Otherwise, you just end up looking like a jerk!

the numbers i saw had texas ranked 30th in gsp per capita, not 20th. could have been older numbers i was looking at.
if that's the case, i stand corrected. i'm not researching a thesis here, just talking on a forum.
i still stand by the connection of lower income and high crime rates- this applies to canada and texas

my comments were in no way meant to insult the state of texas, they were directed at the comment that texas has a low crime rate because of the high rate of gun ownership in the state.
this is just not true, and regardless of whether texas is 3rd or 12th, the crime rate is high compared to the rest of the united states.

i could care less if you want to generalize about canada or canadians- this just isn't what i was doing concerning texas, if you took it that way you're just a bit too sensitive.

if it needs being said to massage a fragile ego, i think the u.s. is a great country that canada shares a lot more in common with than not,
and yes, never been to texas but i'm sure it's just as great as the rest of the country (which i do visit on a regular basis).

[Nigal]

And thus ends today's lesson on the origins of the quote, "Don't mess with Texas!". LOL!

[*MAD DOG*]

Ok gun nuts i have a few questions for you.

Here where i live we have a real hard time trying to qualify for a thing called a shooters license. However, in CA anyone with id can get a gun and shoot till your finger don't work no more at a shooting range.

Anyway my question is....

With a glock 9mm, when you put a new cart/mag in and take off the safety, is it true that you have to cock it before you can fire? Otherwise there would be no round in the chamber right?

Police where i live use revolvers so they can just draw and shoot if need be. With a glock you cant just draw and shoot, you need to cock it first. So if someone is pointing a revolver at a policeman and a policeman has only a glock 9mm on him, technically wouldnt the person with the revolver win because the policeman has to get his gun out of his holster, then using two hands cock the weapon before he can fire, whereas the person with the revolver just needs to point and shoot.

Am i right? If so, why the f do the police here want to "upgrade" from a revolver to a glock (apart from being able to have more ammo in the gun)?

Or do people with a glock leave it cocked in there holster with safety on?

Just wondering because i love guns, i don't own any but have always appreciated the US approach to the right to bear arms.

[Nigal]

Originally Posted by *MAD DOG*

Ok gun nuts i have a few questions for you.

Here where i live we have a real hard time trying to qualify for a thing called a shooters license. However, in CA anyone with id can get a gun and shoot till your finger don't work no more at a shooting range.

Anyway my question is....

With a glock 9mm, when you put a new cart/mag in and take off the safety, is it true that you have to cock it before you can fire? Otherwise there would be no round in the chamber right?

Police where i live use revolvers so they can just draw and shoot if need be. With a glock you cant just draw and shoot, you need to cock it first. So if someone is pointing a revolver at a policeman and a policeman has only a glock 9mm on him, technically wouldnt the person with the revolver win because the policeman has to get his gun out of his holster, then using two hands cock the weapon before he can fire, whereas the person with the revolver just needs to point and shoot.

Am i right? If so, why the f do the police here want to "upgrade" from a revolver to a glock (apart from being able to have more ammo in the gun)?

Or do people with a glock leave it cocked in there holster with safety on?

Just wondering because i love guns, i don't own any but have always appreciated the US approach to the right to bear arms.

After you pull the slide back and load a round the Glock is ready to fire. The only safety on a Glock is the trigger safety. There is no safety to be put on or taken off. You have a round in the pipe and you simply squeeze the trigger. You automatically squeeze the trigger safety as you draw the trigger back. This makes it naturally safer and faster than a revolver because with a revolver you either have to cock the hammer on a single action or draw the trigger through a much harder double action trigger.

btw- "Gun nut" is seen as a derogatory term with gun owners.

[*MAD DOG*]

Originally Posted by Nigal

btw- "Gun nut" is seen as a derogatory term with gun owners.

No offense intended, what do people that love guns be preffered to be called? "Gun owners"?