Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

OK!

I did a test for my self that I had to do... before continuing my install:


I put the MIDS down in the Kick panel area! see pictures below my temporary installation.

Thoughts:

Yes I could live with that! It's amazing how our brains work, stage is way up around HU area. Even I know and I see the speakers down there I hear and feel the music up there!

The stage is wide and smooth, If I didn't have the option of going with the MIDS up in the a-pillars I would be very pleased with the MIDS in the kick panels, what I didn't like was that I found out why they call them kick panels! I was so afraid to kick my mids, but that's an issue that we can take care in the installation.

If I had a sports car or a car that you are close to the floor and your legs are stretch out forward, I see a very convenient opportunity for MIDS at kick panels, on the Yaris even though PLDs are improved the kicks are kind of forward/ down, think like in a SUV that the kicks are 45 degrees or more from you. Maybe that is way the stage stops at the HU area.

Now I'm going with the MIDS up on the a-pillars like you see in the pictures above, because I want to take advantage of the cavernous "Windshield - Dashboard" of the Yaris, it's like a big open mouth, see your self other cars the windshield and the dashboard create a very small area, angle, how ever you call it, it doesn't compare with the Yaris' proportions. And I'm going to take advantage of that!

For example my Corolla doesn't brings me the same space, and some other cars have the instrument cluster on the pilot's side, the Yaris has a symmetrical dashboard, Yes my PLDs suffer a penalty of about 2 inches and the distance between speakers is less for about 3-4 inches, but I can deal with that, my PLDs are under 12 inches (9.5" for a-pillars scenario) and the COOL factor watching the cones of the MIDS move like little woofers it's amazing!





Yeap! bags of rice are great to hold down your speakers!


D.

[sqcomp]

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

[derickveliz2]

Another issue that I ran into with the Mids down in the kick panel area is my knee! if between my left ear and left Mid, center image kind of fades away.


D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Fun test down there wasn't it? I'll bet you we could get the image up on the dash too...

Did you do try it?


D.

[sqcomp]

No. One of my previous systems I had though.

More pics:





^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps.

[derickveliz2]

I finished the a-pillars they are pounding music! awesome center image, just like if there was a speaker some where floating in the middle of the windshield above, over the instrument cluster.

Yes I can tell the stage got slightly smaller by 1 or 2 inches, but after a while, just been amazed on how good you can spot vocals/instruments/etc on the stage, it's a trade that I'm happy to take, and I haven't played with T/A or EQ, this is where the fun starts.

I'll post some pictures of the a-pillars in place tomorrow.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

No. One of my previous systems I had though.

More pics:

^The RCAs and power is run, at least temporarily run on the power wire. I see myself today bolting up a ground and running the speaker wires to the amps.

The Bit One, looks like if I would like just a little bit "one"! jeje, wonder what would do for you over the P-99 in real life. Just curious, looks awesome.

What are those circles on your bumper?

D.

[sqcomp]

I wish you could see how big my smile is!

D...let me take the next step in the tuning. I'm under the impression I can widen the stage with some creative crossover play that involves phasing and TA.

Look for some hints from me over the next couple months on how we're going to move our image out well onto the hood and stretching from mirror to mirror.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I wish you could see how big my smile is!

D...let me take the next step in the tuning. I'm under the impression I can widen the stage with some creative crossover play that involves phasing and TA.

Look for some hints from me over the next couple months on how we're going to move our image out well onto the hood and stretching from mirror to mirror.

Can't wait! That's awesome!

mean while I'll install the HAT L6s, and hopefully the HAT I6SW, and of course the IDQ-700.2

D.

[sqcomp]

The bumper? That's backup sensors. It's a real nice, relatively inexpensive, upgrade. I've also got blinking brakelights like you see on the ambulances, firetrucks, and race cars.

What does the Bit One do over the P-99? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels. Adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB.

Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature.

The Bit One includes a DRC (Digital Remote Control) that is used to select different inputs, to switch between the four preset tunes and to adjust the Balance, Fader and Subwoofer volume. It is also used as the master volume for all input sources.

Crossover Filter type 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz
6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth
Crossover Mode Hi Pass / Low Pass / Band Pass
Equalizer Filter type 31 Band, ISO 1/3 Oct, 20 Hz÷20 kHz
Equalizer Gain +/- 12 dB
Delay 0÷22 ms (748 cm / 294.5 inch)

[derickveliz2]

" blinking brake lights" I want blinking lights!

D.

[sqcomp]

I'll send you a module if you want...I'd only ask to cover my costs...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'll send you a module if you want...I'd only ask to cover my costs...

Let me know the details!

D.

[sqcomp]

Actually...here's the site:

http://www.flashingbrakelights.com/Index.html

Let me know what you think.

Well would you look at what's up and playing?



I've managed to get it to a VERY similar tune to what I had on the deck before the Bit One. Now...I have a couple weeks to play with the tune. After the show at Soundsgood, I have a year to play around with the tune and massage the system to make all the speakers and enclosures perfect and harmonious.

What gets me though, I haven't figured out yet if I can adjust each side of the slope independently like I could with the P-01 crossover. It'd be a pisser if you couldn't...

[derickveliz2]

And the pictures... (sorry I didn't have my SLR so point and shoot for now)

[sqcomp]

D! Those pillars are secksi!

Here's something fun for you:



It isn't an accurate representation of the actual sound. The vocals are NOT echoey inside the car at all. That is the mono mic on the camera reacting to the two sides' wavelengths and all the reflections in the vehicle. There is actually bass as well, you can sort of hear the sound fade in and out...that's the bass hitting and overloading the little handheld camera mic. You also don't get left and right separation and at the end with that explosion, on this camera, you hear almost a digital report...it's the camera and NOT the system. Also, the background noise (hiss)? That's the camera as well. The only noise one could maybe remotely hear *might* be the CD transport. Other than that, the system is dead quiet in person.

I also kept the lights off so that you wouldn't see anything to distract you. It's just the IASCA SQ judge in me not wanting to bias anyone.

[sickpuppy1]

Interesting recording! You mean and camcorder recording on Photobucket isnt a good playback medium?! who'd a thunk it,lol The pillars turned out real good SQ.
I can see where that CD covers so many parts of the audio spectrum and system setup. Dont know what I was expecting to hear, but I didnt envision that.
Now how do they judge though? Is it a combination of metered measurement and judge discretion or is it all one or the other. Know what I'm asking?

[sqcomp]

They judge SQ on tonal accuracy (basically, does the instrument sound like it's supposed to?)

spectral balance (does said instrument sound right with the other instruments playing on all the other frequency ranges?)

Sound stage (width, height, positioning, depth, and ambiance)

Imaging (are the tracks played correctly placed on the sound stage)

sound linearity (how well does the system perform at low, moderate, and high output levels)

absence of noise (mechanical, floor noise, external mechanical noise, alternator whine)

ergonomics (how well does the system operate and flow in it's design)

Now, those pillars you notice above are Derick's...not mine. Notice how well he snugged his Mid ranges into the pillar? That's fun!

The next step for me on my setup will be more in depth. I'm talking reconstructing the dash area completely. You wouldn't even be able to see the speakers that are on the A-pillars. They'll actually be out in the engine bay

Yes, in the engine bay. I will have to have another car before I start that project...and the room to take the Yaris down to buld on that level. I have the knowledge thanks to Scott Buwalda. I'm in the pre-planning stage at this point.