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sqcomp · 01-30-2012, 11:02 AM

^For me they went in front of the turn on leads for my amplifiers. Mine were Bosch types though. I won't need them when the new processor comes along...

Derick, can you say, almost finished with the door panel trim rings? :) I'm rabbeting in the rings to fit down into the openings I made yesterday. They'll also be painted to the color of the car and fit with hand made grills. This will allow me to light up the speaker in the door with LEDs for a sweet effect when needed.

_S7V7N_ · 01-30-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

Not finished by any means...now it's rounding off the internal edges, filling in with a body filler radius inside the perimiter, primer, then paint.

Sq are them huge amps asking for 4 gauge power / grounds ? How are the terminals ? the new style where you don't need spades or do you have to crimp spades on there ?

sqcomp · 01-31-2012, 12:42 AM

^Those amps are huge. They're set up like old A/B class amplifiers. Think ZR1000 meets Arc SE2300. The thing is that these are absolutely only running at 4 Ohm loads. Having run them last year to a Western Canadian regional victory in my class, through that whole time, they only became warm. Never were they over taxed or "railed". I'm not worried about 4 gauge wiring honestly. It works well given my situation.

I've made the trim rings for the door panels. I've secured grill material as well. Now, it's about snugging the trim ring onto the door panel and then shaping some grill material over a blank...then it's primer and paint for the ring.

_S7V7N_ · 01-31-2012, 09:36 AM

That's how my Brutus is set up , has the wiring going directly in the connectors, I love it ! Except i'm running my subs at 2 ohms out the box then it drops it to 1 at the amp, since it acts as a Mono. I'm seriously thinking about buying a few feet of the 4 gauge Knu Konceptz brand to run from my distro block to my amp, right now it's some cheap o 4 gauge but it's more like 6 gauge.

What size speaker wire do you have to run up to the front components and later on your subs ? And how many watts RMS are you running them amps @ 4 ohms ?.

Almost forgot ...Are you going to run any type of fans on them amps or is the top being open going to be enough to vent them ? I plan on putting some Plexi glass over my amps with some lights and " show" type stuff, but i also thought about getting some fans to put on my sub amp since it's not going to be as " open " as now.

_S7V7N_ · 01-31-2012, 01:43 PM

Yo Derick what did you ever do with them 6.5 Hifonics ?

derickveliz2 · 02-01-2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by _S7V7N_

Yo Derick what did you ever do with them 6.5 Hifonics ?

They are back in their box, clean like new. I can't believe how good they are.

Well can't compete against the HAT L6s but still even with a LED light inside the ZEUS Hifonics can play low and fast.

Was it you who wanted them right?

D.

derickveliz2 · 02-01-2012, 03:04 AM

Sqcomp, the cover for your L6SE's is looking great, I'm still debating how to do mine.
send more pictures... did you end up cutting the panel in that shape?

My L6's baffle hit the panel on one side! was thinking on cutting more like you did, did you have the same issue?

D.

_S7V7N_ · 02-01-2012, 10:05 AM

How much you asking for them ? Actually for the 6.5's and the Crossovers if you're not using them. I cracked one of the covers on mine.

sqcomp · 02-01-2012, 11:19 AM

I'm running 12 gauge street wires to all my speakers. The reason? To support the lines my shop sells. No more than that.

The S2b amps are a true 450 x 2 which is great for headroom and dynamic transients. The S4b is rated At 120 x 2 and 240 x 2. This kicks up the tweeters and mid range speakers and gives good headroom as well. I'm not using the amp's onboard crossover which is really nice.

Eventually I'll be moving to a new "brand" of amplifier in a few years. It's being designed right now and has to go through the entire manufacturing process. Think Genesis dual mono extreme WITHOUT the crossovers or anything that will change the signal aside from amplification. We're going for a true, unfettered amplifier. We may also be thinking about class A as well. There's so much more to say...

And D, I'll be putting up more pictures of the panel. No worries.

_S7V7N_ · 02-01-2012, 07:33 PM

Sq how do you have your gains set on the amp ? Here's a few questions :

Voltage of your rear outputs on your Deck (I think they're 5 V )
RMS of your Legatia's
RMS of any other speakers/subs

I guess what i'm asking is do you have your amp set to the voltage your stereo puts out.

Maybe it's the old school way of doing it but please help me better understand.

If you're deck puts out 5V's is that the max you want your amp (Level on the amp below ) ? Or is it all done by ear ?

sqcomp · 02-01-2012, 10:43 PM

I'm setup a little differently than the average system. My head unit puts out an unclipped signal of 4.99 Volts at maximum output on the volume pot. I keep my volume pot at maximum output (62 on the deck's readout). That gives me as much fire going down the lines as possible. The signal then goes to my Bit One (soon to be PS8). The processor then takes it and has a field day. The signal voltage then gets sent to the amplifiers. Both the processor and the amplifiers have clipping indicators (on the GUI and side of the amp respectively).

I take a 1 kHz tone at 0dB and blast it though the chain (no speakers on the amps). It take an o-scope and read at each point, all the source outs, processor ins, and the amplifier ins for a smooth sine wave. From the sine wave reading kn the scope I move up on the amp gains since I start with the gains all the way down. I go until I see clipping and then back it down until I see a smooth wave.

Why the test tone? It's a mean tone at the highest output level I can get off the information on a CD. That means I play it safe and never have any clipping no matter how loud. Therefore, I don't need to spend the time and money with constructing tweeter protection or launching speakers into outer space.

It works for me. :)

derickveliz2 · 02-01-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sqcomp

Therefore, I don't need to spend the time and money with constructing tweeter protection or launching speakers into outer space.

It works for me. :)

Stop right there, I'm lost!

Honestly my knowledge doesn't goes that far, sounds very cool in white and black, and I bet it will sound much better behind the steering wheel.

I hope some day I get to travel a-x the country and have a chance to learn all that!

I will appreciate if you post more pictures of the grills for your LOWS in the doors. I just can't come up with an easy/nice solution.

D.

derickveliz2 · 02-01-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by _S7V7N_

How much you asking for them ? Actually for the 6.5's and the Crossovers if you're not using them. I cracked one of the covers on mine.

PM sent!

D.

NHYarisFan · 02-02-2012, 12:43 AM

This Thread is a "whole nother LEVEL" love all the post u guys have some crazy audio

i just have my lil pdx-5 but im happy for now

sqcomp · 02-02-2012, 12:59 AM

^I must apologize to Derick. I'm sort of piggybacking my experience in the Yaris with his thread.

I found that If I had my own thread I received too much naysaying. "Too expensive" this and "Your doing things wrong" that...

as for this thread being a "whole nother level", I say take what Derick and I are doing, ask LOTS of questions and go and do likewise (as in your own little projects).

@ Derick - I've actually got the trim ring blending onto the panel right now. It's down in the garage curing with a space heater close to it. Tomorrow night I'll finish up the rough blend. On Saturday I'll remove the piece, trim it down and then prep it for paint. Once it's painted I'll permanently attach it to the panel.

Don't worry, I'll give you full pics and explain the process. Until I'm done, here's a teaser:

derickveliz2 · 02-02-2012, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHYarisFan

This Thread is a "whole nother LEVEL" love all the post u guys have some crazy audio

i just have my lil pdx-5 but im happy for now

Hey I've been meaning to write in the New England area for a Yaris meet, I think we should organize it! Lots of fun, did you see the pictures from our previous meetings?

D.

derickveliz2 · 02-02-2012, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

^I must apologize to Derick. I'm sort of piggybacking my experience in the Yaris with his thread.

No apologize here, you are more than welcome, and look at it this way, we want you to post here, please!

D.

NHYarisFan · 02-02-2012, 01:04 AM

yeah nice rides, i noticed that there was one in Oakham! my sister lives there small world. Ya i had posted we should meet in the NE thread. see what happens

01-30-2012, 11:02 AM	#1729
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	^For me they went in front of the turn on leads for my amplifiers. Mine were Bosch types though. I won't need them when the new processor comes along... Derick, can you say, almost finished with the door panel trim rings? :) I'm rabbeting in the rings to fit down into the openings I made yesterday. They'll also be painted to the color of the car and fit with hand made grills. This will allow me to light up the speaker in the door with LEDs for a sweet effect when needed. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

01-31-2012, 12:42 AM	#1731
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	^Those amps are huge. They're set up like old A/B class amplifiers. Think ZR1000 meets Arc SE2300. The thing is that these are absolutely only running at 4 Ohm loads. Having run them last year to a Western Canadian regional victory in my class, through that whole time, they only became warm. Never were they over taxed or "railed". I'm not worried about 4 gauge wiring honestly. It works well given my situation. I've made the trim rings for the door panels. I've secured grill material as well. Now, it's about snugging the trim ring onto the door panel and then shaping some grill material over a blank...then it's primer and paint for the ring. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine Last edited by sqcomp; 01-31-2012 at 12:58 AM.

01-31-2012, 09:36 AM	#1732
_S7V7N_ Drives: Yaris 4 Door Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 805	That's how my Brutus is set up , has the wiring going directly in the connectors, I love it ! Except i'm running my subs at 2 ohms out the box then it drops it to 1 at the amp, since it acts as a Mono. I'm seriously thinking about buying a few feet of the 4 gauge Knu Konceptz brand to run from my distro block to my amp, right now it's some cheap o 4 gauge but it's more like 6 gauge. What size speaker wire do you have to run up to the front components and later on your subs ? And how many watts RMS are you running them amps @ 4 ohms ?. Almost forgot ...Are you going to run any type of fans on them amps or is the top being open going to be enough to vent them ? I plan on putting some Plexi glass over my amps with some lights and " show" type stuff, but i also thought about getting some fans to put on my sub amp since it's not going to be as " open " as now. __________________ Audio is under Construction Kenwood KDC-X794 Hifonics Zeus ZXI6.5C 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component Speaker System - AUTOTEK ATX65CX 6.5-Inch Hifonics BXi 1210D - Crunch PowerZone P1400.4 (2)12 inch Kicker CVR's - 0 gauge from battery to Distribution block - 4 Gauge Power/Grounds to amps - Duralast Yellow Top - Big 3

01-31-2012, 01:43 PM	#1733
_S7V7N_ Drives: Yaris 4 Door Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 805	Yo Derick what did you ever do with them 6.5 Hifonics ? __________________ Audio is under Construction Kenwood KDC-X794 Hifonics Zeus ZXI6.5C 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component Speaker System - AUTOTEK ATX65CX 6.5-Inch Hifonics BXi 1210D - Crunch PowerZone P1400.4 (2)12 inch Kicker CVR's - 0 gauge from battery to Distribution block - 4 Gauge Power/Grounds to amps - Duralast Yellow Top - Big 3

02-01-2012, 03:04 AM	#1735
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Sqcomp, the cover for your L6SE's is looking great, I'm still debating how to do mine. send more pictures... did you end up cutting the panel in that shape? My L6's baffle hit the panel on one side! was thinking on cutting more like you did, did you have the same issue? D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

02-01-2012, 10:05 AM	#1736
_S7V7N_ Drives: Yaris 4 Door Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 805	How much you asking for them ? Actually for the 6.5's and the Crossovers if you're not using them. I cracked one of the covers on mine. __________________ Audio is under Construction Kenwood KDC-X794 Hifonics Zeus ZXI6.5C 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component Speaker System - AUTOTEK ATX65CX 6.5-Inch Hifonics BXi 1210D - Crunch PowerZone P1400.4 (2)12 inch Kicker CVR's - 0 gauge from battery to Distribution block - 4 Gauge Power/Grounds to amps - Duralast Yellow Top - Big 3

02-01-2012, 11:19 AM	#1737
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I'm running 12 gauge street wires to all my speakers. The reason? To support the lines my shop sells. No more than that. The S2b amps are a true 450 x 2 which is great for headroom and dynamic transients. The S4b is rated At 120 x 2 and 240 x 2. This kicks up the tweeters and mid range speakers and gives good headroom as well. I'm not using the amp's onboard crossover which is really nice. Eventually I'll be moving to a new "brand" of amplifier in a few years. It's being designed right now and has to go through the entire manufacturing process. Think Genesis dual mono extreme WITHOUT the crossovers or anything that will change the signal aside from amplification. We're going for a true, unfettered amplifier. We may also be thinking about class A as well. There's so much more to say... And D, I'll be putting up more pictures of the panel. No worries. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

02-01-2012, 07:33 PM	#1738
_S7V7N_ Drives: Yaris 4 Door Sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South Texas Posts: 805	Sq how do you have your gains set on the amp ? Here's a few questions : Voltage of your rear outputs on your Deck (I think they're 5 V ) RMS of your Legatia's RMS of any other speakers/subs I guess what i'm asking is do you have your amp set to the voltage your stereo puts out. Maybe it's the old school way of doing it but please help me better understand. If you're deck puts out 5V's is that the max you want your amp (Level on the amp below ) ? Or is it all done by ear ? __________________ Audio is under Construction Kenwood KDC-X794 Hifonics Zeus ZXI6.5C 6.5-Inch 2-Way Component Speaker System - AUTOTEK ATX65CX 6.5-Inch Hifonics BXi 1210D - Crunch PowerZone P1400.4 (2)12 inch Kicker CVR's - 0 gauge from battery to Distribution block - 4 Gauge Power/Grounds to amps - Duralast Yellow Top - Big 3 Last edited by _S7V7N_; 02-01-2012 at 07:58 PM.

02-01-2012, 10:43 PM	#1739
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I'm setup a little differently than the average system. My head unit puts out an unclipped signal of 4.99 Volts at maximum output on the volume pot. I keep my volume pot at maximum output (62 on the deck's readout). That gives me as much fire going down the lines as possible. The signal then goes to my Bit One (soon to be PS8). The processor then takes it and has a field day. The signal voltage then gets sent to the amplifiers. Both the processor and the amplifiers have clipping indicators (on the GUI and side of the amp respectively). I take a 1 kHz tone at 0dB and blast it though the chain (no speakers on the amps). It take an o-scope and read at each point, all the source outs, processor ins, and the amplifier ins for a smooth sine wave. From the sine wave reading kn the scope I move up on the amp gains since I start with the gains all the way down. I go until I see clipping and then back it down until I see a smooth wave. Why the test tone? It's a mean tone at the highest output level I can get off the information on a CD. That means I play it safe and never have any clipping no matter how loud. Therefore, I don't need to spend the time and money with constructing tweeter protection or launching speakers into outer space. It works for me. :) __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

02-02-2012, 12:43 AM	#1742
NHYarisFan Drives: 09 Yaris Sedan Flint Mica Join Date: May 2009 Location: Manchester, New Hampshire Posts: 16	This Thread is a "whole nother LEVEL" love all the post u guys have some crazy audio i just have my lil pdx-5 but im happy for now __________________ Big 3 Upgrade, Alpine CDA-105, Alpine Imprint, PDX-5, JL W3 Sub, UltraStart 4296M

02-02-2012, 12:59 AM	#1743
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	^I must apologize to Derick. I'm sort of piggybacking my experience in the Yaris with his thread. I found that If I had my own thread I received too much naysaying. "Too expensive" this and "Your doing things wrong" that... as for this thread being a "whole nother level", I say take what Derick and I are doing, ask LOTS of questions and go and do likewise (as in your own little projects). @ Derick - I've actually got the trim ring blending onto the panel right now. It's down in the garage curing with a space heater close to it. Tomorrow night I'll finish up the rough blend. On Saturday I'll remove the piece, trim it down and then prep it for paint. Once it's painted I'll permanently attach it to the panel. Don't worry, I'll give you full pics and explain the process. Until I'm done, here's a teaser: __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

02-02-2012, 01:04 AM	#1746
NHYarisFan Drives: 09 Yaris Sedan Flint Mica Join Date: May 2009 Location: Manchester, New Hampshire Posts: 16	yeah nice rides, i noticed that there was one in Oakham! my sister lives there small world. Ya i had posted we should meet in the NE thread. see what happens __________________ Big 3 Upgrade, Alpine CDA-105, Alpine Imprint, PDX-5, JL W3 Sub, UltraStart 4296M

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