Shifting without the clutch - Page 4 - Toyota Yaris Forums

ddongbap · 06-19-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Hey, I have a question about oil...

Me too. Is synthetic better than regular dyno oil? Tamago, can you chime in?

djct_watt · 06-19-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ddongbap

O. Maybe. The gearing is different. Thats all I was getting to.

According to these sites,
http://www.vibratesoftware.com/html_...ear_Ratios.htm
http://www.vehix.com/car-reviews/200...specifications
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4997

They are exactly the same. Maybe the sites are wrong? The only difference is the final drive (which is easily changed between transmissions). But the gear ratios are the same.

Billiam · 06-19-2010, 08:02 PM

BTW...rev-matching is just bringing the engine rpm up to match the tranny's output shaft speed...usually when down shifting. It's got nothing to do with "double clutching".

CtrlAltDefeat · 06-19-2010, 09:13 PM

after all the drama in this thread, and watching that video on how to shift without using the clutch, I decided to try it. It worked surprisingly well... no grinding, no loud noises, just a slight bump when shifting. I cannot vouch for it's long term reliability, but it seems like a handy skill if you ever need it (hurt leg, clutch problems etc.) Sayuki handled it like a champ.

darkmoon87 · 06-21-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDefeat

after all the drama in this thread, and watching that video on how to shift without using the clutch, I decided to try it. It worked surprisingly well... no grinding, no loud noises, just a slight bump when shifting. I cannot vouch for it's long term reliability, but it seems like a handy skill if you ever need it (hurt leg, clutch problems etc.) Sayuki handled it like a champ.

i tried it too and it works without any problem what so ever.

a good thing to know for sure.

bronsin · 06-21-2010, 06:35 PM

...so who won...the clutchers or the anti clutchers?

sickpuppy1 · 06-21-2010, 06:50 PM

Aamco transmission wins,lol

*Astroman* · 06-21-2010, 07:07 PM

I tried it too and it worked. Wait, I have an auto

CtrlAltDefeat · 06-21-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Astroman

I tried it too and it worked. Wait, I have an auto

lol yea but manuals rule

ddongbap · 06-21-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by djct_watt

According to these sites,
http://www.vibratesoftware.com/html_...ear_Ratios.htm
http://www.vehix.com/car-reviews/200...specifications
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4997

They are exactly the same. Maybe the sites are wrong? The only difference is the final drive (which is easily changed between transmissions). But the gear ratios are the same.

No. You are totally right. That final drive was different. I just forgot or didn't care. Hahaha

ddongbap · 06-21-2010, 09:37 PM

FYI, shifting w/o the clutch pedal is going to ruin your exhaust hanger fluid.

mario98c · 06-21-2010, 11:07 PM

I tried in my sedan and it works!

SAV912 · 06-21-2010, 11:10 PM

The argument was never whether or not it works. We knew it worked.

It's a matter of it being worth destroying your synchros. To me, it isn't.

-SAV

ddongbap · 06-22-2010, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SAV912

The argument was never whether or not it works. We knew it worked.

It's a matter of it being worth destroying your synchros. To me, it isn't.

-SAV

Can you prove its syncro destroying?

Kongo-Otto · 06-22-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ddongbap

Can you prove its syncro destroying?

Its obvious. Sooner or later you will miss the perfect shifting point. And sooner or later you will get the result.

Really, i can't believe people are testing to shift without clutch because of this thread now. Thats ridicolous and a shame. Thread should be deleted before something happens.

sickpuppy1 · 06-22-2010, 07:24 AM

Unless its done just exactly right, your putting more wear on the synchros. Done just right(usually learned on a non-synchro tranny) its not bad. But on modern car tranny's with synchromesh you may not be 100% right and that when the excess wear comes in. The synchros are there so that you dont have to learn proper technique, and when the clutch is used, they make up the difference in tranny/motor speed under no load situation. When rev matching is done you are for all practical purposes floating the gears like a non synchro tranny. Like I said, when done exactly right,its not bad, its just learning it 100% correct that cause expensive tranny rebuild jobs. Some guys here have apparently learned it well, others will create job security for local repair shops,LOL

bronsin · 06-22-2010, 08:49 AM

None of the transmissions Ive shifted without using the clutch ever had a problem and some of them had 250k+ miles on them and were shifted like that several times a week. YMMV.

ddongbap · 06-22-2010, 02:46 PM

Nobody here can give me proof. Only speculation.

06-19-2010, 09:13 PM	#58
CtrlAltDefeat I ♥ Yaris View User's Garage Drives: Black 08 LB MT & red 97 Miata Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Indianapolis IN Posts: 1,313	after all the drama in this thread, and watching that video on how to shift without using the clutch, I decided to try it. It worked surprisingly well... no grinding, no loud noises, just a slight bump when shifting. I cannot vouch for it's long term reliability, but it seems like a handy skill if you ever need it (hurt leg, clutch problems etc.) Sayuki handled it like a champ. __________________ The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russell

06-21-2010, 06:50 PM	#61
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Aamco transmission wins,lol __________________

06-21-2010, 07:07 PM	#62
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	I tried it too and it worked. Wait, I have an auto __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

06-21-2010, 11:07 PM	#66
mario98c Drives: Toyota Yaris Sedan 09 STD Join Date: May 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,227	I tried in my sedan and it works! __________________

06-21-2010, 11:10 PM	#67
SAV912 Pirate Yaaaaris View User's Garage Drives: '00 Toyota Celica GTS 6MT Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 573	The argument was never whether or not it works. We knew it worked. It's a matter of it being worth destroying your synchros. To me, it isn't. -SAV __________________ Georgia Bulldogs! '09 Yaris LB 5MT Sold.

06-19-2010, 08:02 PM	#57
Billiam View User's Garage Drives: '10 White Yaris 4D LB Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: USA Posts: 557	BTW...rev-matching is just bringing the engine rpm up to match the tranny's output shaft speed...usually when down shifting. It's got nothing to do with "double clutching".

06-21-2010, 06:35 PM	#60
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,790	...so who won...the clutchers or the anti clutchers?

06-21-2010, 09:37 PM	#65
ddongbap Banned Drives: yw calls me douche and racist. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hay Posts: 2,183	FYI, shifting w/o the clutch pedal is going to ruin your exhaust hanger fluid.

06-22-2010, 07:24 AM	#70
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Unless its done just exactly right, your putting more wear on the synchros. Done just right(usually learned on a non-synchro tranny) its not bad. But on modern car tranny's with synchromesh you may not be 100% right and that when the excess wear comes in. The synchros are there so that you dont have to learn proper technique, and when the clutch is used, they make up the difference in tranny/motor speed under no load situation. When rev matching is done you are for all practical purposes floating the gears like a non synchro tranny. Like I said, when done exactly right,its not bad, its just learning it *100% correct* that cause expensive tranny rebuild jobs. Some guys here have apparently learned it well, others will create job security for local repair shops,LOL __________________

06-22-2010, 08:49 AM	#71
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,790	None of the transmissions Ive shifted without using the clutch ever had a problem and some of them had 250k+ miles on them and were shifted like that several times a week. YMMV.

06-22-2010, 02:46 PM	#72
ddongbap Banned Drives: yw calls me douche and racist. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hay Posts: 2,183	Nobody here can give me proof. Only speculation.

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