Cooper eater

[birdman]

What are the minimum mods I'd have to do to my stock automatic LB to transform it into a Cooper eater?

[kngrsll]

nitrous

[JBIZZ]

Either turbo or supercharger (The Blitz I believe is too underpowered)

Here are the weights of each vehicle which I found online through Yahoo answers & MSN. I think the Minis vary on year of how much they weigh.

Yaris 3-door, 5sp - 2295lbs
Yaris 3-door, auto - 2340lbs
Yaris 5-door, auto - 2340lbs
Yaris Sedan, 5sp - 2293lbs
Yaris Sedan, auto - 2326lbs

From 2002 to 2005 the coupe weighed 2315 pounds and the convertible weighed 2700.

From the 2006 Mini Cooper Owner's Manual, Data Section, Weights: Mini
Curb weight, with all optional special equipment Mini Cooper with manual transmission 2,524/1,145 lbs/kg automatic transmission with Steptronic 2,557/1,160 lbs/kg

Mini Cooper S with manual transmission 2,679/1,215 lbs/kg automatic transmission with Steptronic 2,723/1,235 lbs/kg

From MSN Auto Specs 2004 mini cooper S with manual = 2678lbs

So it seems it would be easier to beat a newer mini S than an older one. One has to realize modifications to Minis as well.

The automatic transmission may not be able to handle the power of a turbo or supercharger on the Yaris and will not make as much HP as a manual transmission. You will also need: lower compression forged pistons, forged piston rods, better clutch, bigger exhaust system, higher output fuel injectors, possible limited slip differential, & maybe stronger drive axles.

For the price of a Mini S, I believe one can make a faster Yaris w/ manual transmission. Don't know much about the Automatic transmission, but heard it can't handle as much power as the Manual.

[ddongbap]

Skill. Coil overs. Tires. Balls.

[PETERPOOP]

In a straight line, or?

Nitrous for a straight line.

[birdman]

I think it would be cool to have a dead stock looking LB to roll up along side a Cooper and give a few revs to get their attention and dust 'em.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

you will need the following:

stock 1nz-fe motor
a 1/4 mile headstart
some kind of hallucination


seriously though, minis aren't that fast..



i spank them every time on my 21 speed...

[Sabretooth]

Even with mods, your gonna run into problems.

Coopers are built for the track, or at least built to handle in the corners.

Even with my mods, Coilovers, Rear Sway Bar, much wider tires (Ventus RS-2's) I think I would have a struggle even keeping up with a cooper.

Only real thing that can change from car to car, is the Driver and experience.

If you know how to drive your Yaris like a Vitzcup pro, you probably have a thing or two up on the average Mini driver.

Now if everything is neck and neck, mod for mod....driver for driver....Mini wins hands down every time.

[Sabretooth]

https://axwaresystems.com/axorm/file...121309_raw.htm

Here are some results from an Auto X where 6 Yaris were there...

Plus some Mini's Cooper S's and regs.

Notice the times for the Cooper S was in the upper 40s. Garm in a Modded to hell Yaris (300whp) couldnt even get past the 50 second mark.

Now this could be due to too much HP on a wet track, but it depends, all variable.


Here are some times from Mini guys vs Yaris guys at a Cali Autox I have posted the classing they are in and their times. These are the actual documented times, from people that finished...There were Mini peeps that didnt finish, so I could only go with what was avail.

NOTE THE CONDITIONS WERE NOT PERFECT, LOTS OF WATER ON TRACK:
Yaris Squad:
NOVHS, 615 Garm Beall , Toyota Yaris - 54.010
HS , 425 Long Tri , Toyota Yaris -56.293
NOVHS, 226 Jesus Saucedo, Toyota yaris - 59.505
NOVHS , 616 Rob Huh , Toyota Yaris -59.944
NOVHS , 618 Aaron Snyder , Toyota Yaris - 60.305
NOVHS , 614 Joey Patel ,Toyota Yaris - 67.470


Cooper Squad:
SK2GS , 333 Kurt Rahn , Mini Cooper S - 49.592
SK2GS , 127 Adrian Covert , MINI Cooper S - 50.219
CST, 210 Michael Bradley , mini cooper s - 51.584
GS , 35 Chuck Waer, MINI COOPER s - 53.180
CSTL, 230 Sharon Malmen , Mini Cooper S - 58.823

Really without knowing who has what mods, youc an only go with the times...
But even Garm's Yaris only beat one finished Cooper S (And a chick was driving)

But with saying this, a Cooper regular might be 1-2 seconds slower than the slowest S, depending on driver. So it is possible for a good Yaris driver to hold their own.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Originally Posted by birdman

What are the minimum mods I'd have to do to my stock automatic LB to transform it into a Cooper eater?

SELL IT and start with a different platform.....

[Tamago]

cooper and yaris both fall into H stock.

learn how to drive your car (at the track, not drag racing, that's not driving)


and quit talking about street racing, it's useless, and proves nothing.

[ozmdd]

Don't think you're going to get a Yaris to beat a Mini. The Mini is a sports car, the Yaris isn't. You can prep a Yaris to the hilt, but you can't do anything about the suspension design, which is the main weakness on the track/autocross course. You also have gearing to consider.
I love the Yaris and I can compete effectively with other drivers in better cars, but I can beat myself in Cooper S, by 2+ seconds.
The regular Cooper is the same story, but less HP. A bone-stock Yaris will get spanked by a Cooper. Once you make the Yaris more competitive with minor handling mods, you are no longer in H-stock.
All that being said, you can build a nicely-prepped Yaris for $10k less than a Cooper S will run you.
If you want the "best" performing car of the bunch, get the Cooper S JCW. I'd take on any prepped Yaris out there (FI too) on an autoX course in a stock JCW and fully expect to win.
Thing is, most people at the autoX events are nowhere near as good as the cars they drive, so a good set of tires, an alignment and LOTS of driving practice will still beat most cars.

[why?]

Learning to drive it is the most important part. Garm was running about 220 hp in his estimation, and he admittedly isn't an autocross specialist. His times will get a lot better if he chooses to practice.

That is what you need to do to. Any real racing needs practice. You should prolly gut your interior first. Take everything out you don't need, including interior pieces and rear seat. You should learn to really drive, autocross helps.

If you are just talking about street racing, get the biggest turbo you can. Cash is king there, a great tune & at least 200 - 250 hp is the minimum.

And even then there is no guarantee. Who knows what mods a cooper would have.

[ozmdd]

If you are trying to win at street racing, you are so hopelessly in the wrong vehicle that there isn't any real reason to discuss it. Sure, you can spend $10k making it into a 250 HP beast, but you'll still get whipped by a Mazdaspeed3 with some sticky tires. this is not a drag racing vehicle.

[schleppy]

Seat time and luck.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

Don't think you're going to get a Yaris to beat a Mini. The Mini is a sports car, the Yaris isn't. You can prep a Yaris to the hilt, but you can't do anything about the suspension design, which is the main weakness on the track/autocross course. You also have gearing to consider.
I love the Yaris and I can compete effectively with other drivers in better cars, but I can beat myself in Cooper S, by 2+ seconds.
The regular Cooper is the same story, but less HP. A bone-stock Yaris will get spanked by a Cooper. Once you make the Yaris more competitive with minor handling mods, you are no longer in H-stock.
All that being said, you can build a nicely-prepped Yaris for $10k less than a Cooper S will run you.
If you want the "best" performing car of the bunch, get the Cooper S JCW. I'd take on any prepped Yaris out there (FI too) on an autoX course in a stock JCW and fully expect to win.
Thing is, most people at the autoX events are nowhere near as good as the cars they drive, so a good set of tires, an alignment and LOTS of driving practice will still beat most cars.

money spent on the overpriced JCW would go great into an S2000 that would hand the JCW its ass ;)

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by why?

You should prolly gut your interior first. Take everything out you don't need, including interior pieces and rear seat. .

worst advice ever, if you want to take autocross seriously.

taking out your rear seat puts you in SM, regardless of ANY of your other mods.

[Sabretooth]

Class for Class/Part for Part, youll never be able to beat a Mini...The Yaris just wasnt built to do so.

Only way you can beat a Mini, is staying in H-stock, and trying to work within the rulebook to keep yourself "port-modded but stock", tidbit from Tamago...

Yet again a Mini could do the same thing, then your SOL