Aveo = GM = Followers not leaders

[Yarisforpirates]

Is it just me? or does the new Aveo concept look like Chevy just took a Scion xD, slapped on a new front fascia and rebadged it with their logo. I mean dont get me wrong, I love the way which the Japanese style their cars, but i also love the style American cars used to sport. Its like all modern American cars have lost that blend aesthetically pleasing, functionalty, and durability. Not I just noticed this, but don't you ever think enough is enough? Our country's auto makers need to step up their game insted of just copying others.

Aveo concept:http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/aveo.jpg
Scion xD: http://paultan.org/gallery/d/3974-2/...customized.gif

[bobselectric]

I think the Aveo is more of a Matrix

[PaidTimeOff]

looks like an uglier version of the Mazda Protege5 to me

[Hard Time]

I think the Aveo is made in Korea and according to a reviewers comment "the quality of the car is that you may get a good one or a bad one depending on which day it was made".

[rningonfumes]

Actually, I like the looks, they could fix the ass a bit, but the front is aggressive and bold.

[enviri]

yeah im pretty sure the aveo is a daewoo.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Yarisforpirates

Our country's auto makers need to step up their game insted of just copying others.

Last I heard the Aveo is made by GM Daewoo.

GM is in a pickle in the US market. They are whipsawed by irrational "management" group think, insane contracts with the UAW and a soft market for the high profit SUVs that allowed them to satisfy both groups.

Gene

[Yarisforpirates]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Last I heard the Aveo is made by GM Daewoo.

GM is in a pickle in the US market. They are whipsawed by irrational "management" group think, insane contracts with the UAW and a soft market for the high profit SUVs that allowed them to satisfy both groups.

Gene

wow! i didnt know that......thats even worse! our country doesnt even make some of the cars it claims as its own!

[bdc87]

Those fender vents are terrible.

[nemelek]

It's hard to tell a lot of cars apart these days.

[bobby]

It's a piece of junk. Terrible resale value. Unsafe, poor handling.

Yuck.

[TLyttle]

Yup, sister-in-law is looking to dump her Aveo, which she lovingly titles, "the POS"...

As far as the UAW is concerned, it would be wise to see why things are so rancorous in the US plants before blaming UAW, or any other union. Management yowls about giving up another raise, or a necessary benefit, but is perfectly happy to gouge another few million out of the company for their incompetent leadership.

I have been worker, I have been management, so I know about lousy workers and lousy managers. Both sides need to talk about their OWN poor performances before pointing fingers at the other side. If top management was limited to 20 times the lowest wage in the plant, only then would progress be made. I ain't holding my breath.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Yup, sister-in-law is looking to dump her Aveo, which she lovingly titles, "the POS"...

As far as the UAW is concerned, it would be wise to see why things are so rancorous in the US plants before blaming UAW, or any other union. Management yowls about giving up another raise, or a necessary benefit, but is perfectly happy to gouge another few million out of the company for their incompetent leadership.

Hold on, I gave both sides of this argument their due credit. Right? Go up and re-read my post.... in fact I slapped GM management first.

Let's talk about some of the silly things that the UAW demanded, and got, from GM.

1. Guaranteed Benefit Pension - it's like having the Mafia as your silent partner. You had a bad month? Screw you! Pay! You are carrying six or seven retirees for every full time worker? Screw you! Pay!

2. Job Banks - This, I've found out, applies to both salaried and hourly GM workers. Basically you're paid to sit on your ass, read papers and do other things.

3. Full Boat Medical Coverage - GM pays $11 million a year... for Viagra. No shit.

4. Union Content - Not happy to just make cars, the UAW demands that a certain "content" of each car that they make must also be made by Union workers. Come already!

Sorry, any Union that plays these games in a competitive global market deserves what it gets. While the UAW plays these featherbedding games Toyota does the following...

1. Japan has a socialist health system.
2. Retirees from Toyota are given a lump sum payment on retirement.
3. There is no Union at Toyota.

Gene

[bobby]

I thought GM went out of business....

[Bob_VT]

Well this may be the only car that GM will be able to sell in this price range.

GMAC has STOPPED lending ANY money for car loans. The recent trend was to limit auto loans to credit scores 700 and above WITH a sizable down-payment.

[Bob_VT]

Originally Posted by bobby

I thought GM went out of business....

GMAC is shutting down the lending ..... ALL lending.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

If top management was limited to 20 times the lowest wage in the plant, only then would progress be made. I ain't holding my breath.

I don't see any connection between CEO compensation and the performance of a company.

I have yet to see any studies that show CAUSALITY between CEO pay and a company's performance, as in if you go above twenty to one that the company suffers. Exxon-Mobil's CEO makes a huge amount of money and that firm, at least until recently, was doing fine.

I don't think that Toyota's CEO is paid hundreds of times more money than their janitorial staff. Most Japanese firms have far more modest CEO compensation than US firms.

However that ratio doesn't begin to show the differences from Toyota and, say, GM or Exxon-Mobil.

What does seem to matter is the ability of a company to respond to market demands and to satisfy consumer needs.

Toyota focuses on the market and consumer needs, from the CEO down to the lowliest worker. When gas prices went high this summer they were able to re-tool a line in THREE WEEKS to make smaller cars.

Could GM do this? Dunno.

One does wonder what GM focuses on. There are probably staff at GM, both hourly and salaried, who care very much about customers. I suspect, given how GM has been doing and the kind of stuff that they sell (I was a Chevy and Pontiac guy until my first Honda in 2000) that there is a lot more at work here than CEO compensation. Especially a toxic sense of complacency amongst management and workers.


Mentioning such ratios tend to inflame envy and anger, especially in workers who think "Management is stealing our money!". Such an entitlement mentality does not serve the customer or even the worker's long term interests.

This all being said, I wouldn't object to a CEO making 100 times more than the Janitor, but if I were a shareholder they damn well better be earning their keep.

I think most of here would agree that the CEO of GM isn't earning their money.

Gene

[bobby]

I would NEVER buy an American-made car, (too junky!) and I suspect most people reading this would not either....