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IllusionX · 12-24-2008, 10:44 AM

it's not the fact that they are sold without, but the fact that you have them DISABLED.

devinlamothe · 12-28-2008, 04:06 PM

Anyone have any more information regarding this? This just started happening to me on a short drive today after feeling a weird sensation when I applied the brakes. I don't really want to pay $400+ to fix this since I just had to pay over $700 for a new bumper. :(

Edit: On the way home after posting, the lights are gone. Could it just be the temerature? This morning it was +9 out and now it's back down to -10. Plus there was tons of melting going on which led to a lot of puddles. :shrug: I may take it into the dealer anyhow.

jgag123 · 12-31-2008, 06:42 PM

Same problem with abs.

My warranty is over on my '07yaris sedan because have near 100K in it and I am screwed because of that.

I think we all should complane about this then it may make a different.

I have sent an e-mail to toyota and this is there respond:

> From: toyota_feedback@toyota.ca
> Subject: RE: ABS deffective
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:00 -0500
>
> Dear Mr. G,
>
> Thank you for your recent correspondence.
>
> We have received your e-mail, and are sorry that you have encountered some problems with your 2007 Yaris.
>
> Please be assured that we certainly do not like to see our customers experience the frustration and inconvenience that is associated with unexpected repairs. It is the desire of Toyota Canada Inc. to provide sound, durable and reliable vehicles which will require a minimum of service and not only meet, but exceed our customers' expectations. Unfortunately, there remain instances, such as you have encountered, where difficulties will arise.
>
> Toyota Canada Inc. has a very comprehensive warranty that will cover the costs of repairing your vehicle when a difficulty arises as the result of a manufacturing defect experienced within the parameters of the warranty. Our commitment to you is to repair your vehicle according to the terms of the Toyota's new vehicle warranty. Your New Vehicle Warranty covers your vehicle for 36 months (from the warranty registration date) or 60,000 kilometers, whichever occurs first. In addition, we would like to explain that there are currently no outstanding campaigns on your vehicle.
>
> As you can appreciate, we are unable to provide a diagnosis of your vehicle through this medium of correspondence. We rely on Toyota dealerships to diagnose and repair vehicles on our behalf. As such, we kindly suggest contacting the Service Manager at your Toyota dealership directly to further discuss this issue.
>
> Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Nikki Cornell
> Customer Interaction Centre
> Toyota Canada Inc.

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>
> Hi!
> I have a 2007 Yaris sedan. After the first winter days my ABS and
> emergency brake warning light came and stayed on and the ABS is not
> functioning at all. My Question is; is it normal that safety features like
> ABS quit working after a year of use.
> I was wondering if there is a recall for this, since many people have the
> same problem acquiring one winter after the other.
> Other vise I was very happy with the car until now.
> From Mazda and from Honda switched to Toyota and like to stay with it. Of
> course it will all depend of the customer care.
> Toyota should keep its good reputation (as #1 car manufacturer) by fixing
> safety related problems like this, no extra charge since it looks like a
> manufacturing defect.
>
> Thank you
>
> Sincerely
>
> John G.

onizuka · 01-01-2009, 07:44 AM

nice template reply from Toyota

voodoo22 · 01-01-2009, 02:46 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter.

If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys.

I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment.

I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

devinlamothe · 01-01-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by voodoo22

There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter.

If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys.

I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment.

I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

This is my third winter with this car so your time may yet come lol (I hope it doesn't but ...)

voodoo22 · 01-02-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devinlamothe

This is my third winter with this car so your time may yet come lol (I hope it doesn't but ...)

I feel that clock ticking..

Pars · 01-05-2009, 09:28 AM

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

onizuka · 01-06-2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pars

Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered.

I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously.

Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment.

On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

Not to bash any Toyota, I'm sure there are many supporters of Toyota in this forums. But coming from a Honda Accord before my Yaris, I put up 170k without any issue at all. Other than a O2 sensor failing on me at 130k, the maintenance is the only thing I have to worry about. This is my first Toyota, and maybe my last. Do I have to buy a Lexus in order to get the old time Toyota quality control? 2 things that bother me, this on-going speed sensor issue, and weakest paint job of it all. Look at your front hood, you would all agree that it get stone chiped a thousand times already.

steved · 01-06-2009, 07:47 AM

My ABS and Brake light came on yesterday night. Toyota really needs to get their act together on this problem.

Update: I have an appointment with the dealer later this evening.

donairs · 01-06-2009, 02:25 PM

Mine came on this morning. It's been salty and cold, but I've never had this problem before. I called the dealership today and they said they haven't been having any repairs for this issue. Well it seems they are about to start. The service person also told me not to worry.

Update. While driving at lunch today the lights disapearred. I'll be taking this to the dealer ASAP.

Jem_hadar · 01-09-2009, 09:31 AM

Well -- just try and GUESS what fucking two warning lights just came on AGAIN in my Yaris today!?!?!

Yup -- you guessed it -- the bloody (!) and ABS ones!

I'm more than a little annoyed at experiencing this issue AGAIN, now for the THIRD time, especially after having recently having just been through it as early as ONE MONTH ago in December!

F*CK! Very annoyed this morning now.

Wunderbar.

Jem_hadar · 01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

^^ OK. So dropped by car in at lunch for them to disagnose.

And just got the call back saying they need to replace the wiring harness this time (so its NOT a sensor this time around).

Part will be in beg of next week.

Jem_hadar · 02-08-2009, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jem_hadar

^^ OK. So dropped by car in at lunch for them to disagnose.

And just got the call back saying they need to replace the wiring harness this time (so its NOT a sensor this time around).

Part will be in beg of next week.

See followup post... ^^ that was posted around the 9th of Jan.

Abt a 5 days later, the ABS and (!) lights magically went off and I had the use of my ABS again.

.. Oh, and the part is STILL on backorder. Jesus.

(not that im frustrated at the length of time its taking, esp since the warning lights have disappeared now again, but im just simply shocked at how long its taking...)

Jem

Jem_hadar · 01-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Follow up comment:

So when I was talking to the parts guy afterwards, he mentioned that there are 161 wiring harnesses on backorder!

Jesus.

Looks like there are many with similar troubles as us (not just the ones posting in here)

I wonder if the US Yaris Hatchbacks/sedans are having the same kind of trouble as we Canadians are w/ this ABS sensor BS??

Jem

jambo101 · 01-10-2009, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PK198105

actually you are better of without ABS in winter..on any car.

Big +1 on that! seems on ice i can modulate a locked up wheel a lot better than a wheel that never stops turning.

Pars · 01-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Jem Hadar, I had the exact same experience. Had to back 4 times until they finally got it fixed. On the third visit, I was told to wait for a new harness and I finally got it fixed on the 4th visit (total cost was $750 for all 4 visit).

If anyone else if having this problem, it would be a good idea to have them check the harness first and get them to put it into writing if they say it's ok.

onizuka · 01-10-2009, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jambo101

Big +1 on that! seems on ice i can modulate a locked up wheel a lot better than a wheel that never stops turning.

Not having ABS can be subjectively better on performance but it's not a reason to lose it due to a malfunction. Afterall, some ppl paid extra to have ABS package in. And failing right after your warranty expiration makes total non-sense. Just like you don't want to say: "it's ok to have my A/C constantly breaking down, without A/C, I can get better fuel mileage".

12-28-2008, 04:06 PM	#2
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	Anyone have any more information regarding this? This just started happening to me on a short drive today after feeling a weird sensation when I applied the brakes. I don't really want to pay $400+ to fix this since I just had to pay over $700 for a new bumper. :( Edit: On the way home after posting, the lights are gone. Could it just be the temerature? This morning it was +9 out and now it's back down to -10. Plus there was tons of melting going on which led to a lot of puddles. :shrug: I may take it into the dealer anyhow. Last edited by devinlamothe; 12-28-2008 at 07:53 PM.

01-06-2009, 07:47 AM	#10
steved Yaris Rules!! Drives: 2007 Red Yaris Liftback a/t Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 201	My ABS and Brake light came on yesterday night. Toyota really needs to get their act together on this problem. Update: I have an appointment with the dealer later this evening. __________________ The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx (1890-1977) Last edited by steved; 01-06-2009 at 02:48 PM.

01-09-2009, 09:31 AM	#12
Jem_hadar MORDSITH View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Collingwood, ON Posts: 632	Well -- just try and GUESS what fucking two warning lights just came on AGAIN in my Yaris today!?!?! Yup -- you guessed it -- the bloody (!) and ABS ones! I'm more than a little annoyed at experiencing this issue AGAIN, now for the THIRD time, especially after having recently having just been through it as early as ONE MONTH ago in December! F*CK! Very annoyed this morning now. Wunderbar. __________________ 2007 Yaris Hatchback 5 Door LE, Manual, Package B, Bayou Blue Metallic

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM	#13
Jem_hadar MORDSITH View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Collingwood, ON Posts: 632	^^ OK. So dropped by car in at lunch for them to disagnose. And just got the call back saying they need to replace the wiring harness this time (so its NOT a sensor this time around). Part will be in beg of next week. __________________ 2007 Yaris Hatchback 5 Door LE, Manual, Package B, Bayou Blue Metallic

01-09-2009, 09:29 PM	#15
Jem_hadar MORDSITH View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Collingwood, ON Posts: 632	Follow up comment: So when I was talking to the parts guy afterwards, he mentioned that there are 161 wiring harnesses on backorder! Jesus. Looks like there are many with similar troubles as us (not just the ones posting in here) I wonder if the US Yaris Hatchbacks/sedans are having the same kind of trouble as we Canadians are w/ this ABS sensor BS?? Jem __________________ 2007 Yaris Hatchback 5 Door LE, Manual, Package B, Bayou Blue Metallic

12-24-2008, 10:44 AM	#1
IllusionX It's the illusion you see View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Sedan Aero Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brossard, QC Posts: 3,888	it's not the fact that they are sold without, but the fact that you have them DISABLED.

12-31-2008, 06:42 PM	#3
jgag123 Drives: 2007 toyota yaris sedan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: canada, ontario Posts: 3	Same problem with abs. My warranty is over on my '07yaris sedan because have near 100K in it and I am screwed because of that. I think we all should complane about this then it may make a different. I have sent an e-mail to toyota and this is there respond: > From: toyota_feedback@toyota.ca > Subject: RE: ABS deffective > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:24:00 -0500 > > Dear Mr. G, > > Thank you for your recent correspondence. > > We have received your e-mail, and are sorry that you have encountered some problems with your 2007 Yaris. > > Please be assured that we certainly do not like to see our customers experience the frustration and inconvenience that is associated with unexpected repairs. It is the desire of Toyota Canada Inc. to provide sound, durable and reliable vehicles which will require a minimum of service and not only meet, but exceed our customers' expectations. Unfortunately, there remain instances, such as you have encountered, where difficulties will arise. > > Toyota Canada Inc. has a very comprehensive warranty that will cover the costs of repairing your vehicle when a difficulty arises as the result of a manufacturing defect experienced within the parameters of the warranty. Our commitment to you is to repair your vehicle according to the terms of the Toyota's new vehicle warranty. Your New Vehicle Warranty covers your vehicle for 36 months (from the warranty registration date) or 60,000 kilometers, whichever occurs first. In addition, we would like to explain that there are currently no outstanding campaigns on your vehicle. > > As you can appreciate, we are unable to provide a diagnosis of your vehicle through this medium of correspondence. We rely on Toyota dealerships to diagnose and repair vehicles on our behalf. As such, we kindly suggest contacting the Service Manager at your Toyota dealership directly to further discuss this issue. > > Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us. > > Sincerely, > > Nikki Cornell > Customer Interaction Centre > Toyota Canada Inc. > > > > > > > > Hi! > I have a 2007 Yaris sedan. After the first winter days my ABS and > emergency brake warning light came and stayed on and the ABS is not > functioning at all. My Question is; is it normal that safety features like > ABS quit working after a year of use. > I was wondering if there is a recall for this, since many people have the > same problem acquiring one winter after the other. > Other vise I was very happy with the car until now. > From Mazda and from Honda switched to Toyota and like to stay with it. Of > course it will all depend of the customer care. > Toyota should keep its good reputation (as #1 car manufacturer) by fixing > safety related problems like this, no extra charge since it looks like a > manufacturing defect. > > Thank you > > Sincerely > > John G.

01-01-2009, 07:44 AM	#4
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	nice template reply from Toyota

01-01-2009, 02:46 PM	#5
voodoo22 Drives: Yaris Sedan (auto) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 545	There is no doubt in my mind that this is a design flaw by Toyota. We haven't had this problem yet and this is our second winter. If we were having this problem too I would definitely join in with you guys. I think you should gather information from everyone having this issue and going to Toyota as a group. It seems like everyone having this problem lives in a climate which gets cold at least part of the year, you should show this to Toyota and show them how the wiring for the ABS doesn't appear to be designed properly to protect the system from corrosion in this kind of environment. I wonder how many people who have this problem park outside vs in a garage? I wonder if that makes any difference...

01-05-2009, 09:28 AM	#8
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	Wow, another one. Hopefully Toyoto isn't as dismissive when the warranty expires on my RAV4. When Honda built their parts (as per my 98 Civic), they definitely didn't engineer it to break down immediately after the warranty expired. I put on over 300,000km of extremely brutal driving on my 98 Civic Hatch, with absolutely no problems/defects (everything under the hood was still original except for timing belt, spark plugs, air/oil filters). There was a situation at 220,000km when my ignition switch wasn't working properly, but Honda had a TSB on it and it was covered. I can only assume Toyota prioritize those who buy every 5 years and the poor saps who want a trouble free car for 10years are SOL. In which case, when I'm shopping for my next car, I'll be prioritizing Honda... Honda seems to have a good system in place to clean-up/fix on going issues. Also, they seem to take the Canadian market more seriously. Granted, the Yaris is an awsome little car, but It would be nice if Toyota took it more seriously. Now that the new 09 Fit is out and Toyota has totally neglected the Yaris (other then put on bigger tires), It's not a good time to give up ground in the compact segment. On a tangent.... I find it interesting that my extended warranty for my 30k RAV4 is identical (cost the same) as the extended warranty for a 15k Yaris.

01-06-2009, 02:25 PM	#11
donairs Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan - Flint Mica Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Posts: 10	Mine came on this morning. It's been salty and cold, but I've never had this problem before. I called the dealership today and they said they haven't been having any repairs for this issue. Well it seems they are about to start. The service person also told me not to worry. Update. While driving at lunch today the lights disapearred. I'll be taking this to the dealer ASAP.

01-10-2009, 01:50 PM	#17
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	Jem Hadar, I had the exact same experience. Had to back 4 times until they finally got it fixed. On the third visit, I was told to wait for a new harness and I finally got it fixed on the 4th visit (total cost was $750 for all 4 visit). If anyone else if having this problem, it would be a good idea to have them check the harness first and get them to put it into writing if they say it's ok.