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08-11-2010, 11:13 PM | #1 | |
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Debunking fuel conservation myths...
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08-13-2010, 05:27 PM | #2 |
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Future electricity costs will be jacked up but it will have little to do with taxes. Fossil fuel costs will increase, and replacing fossil fuels with more sensible energy generation methods will be even more expensive. The era of artificially cheap energy will soon come to an end, so get ready for it.
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08-13-2010, 05:29 PM | #3 |
@nmgolfer...
did anyone see my recant of aforementioned, above, ^^^, "backward P.O.S." comment? |
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08-13-2010, 08:40 PM | #4 | |
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If Obama passes Cap and Trade, then yeah, taxes will be the bulk of cost. Direct quote from Obama: " Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electric rates will necessarily sky rocket". Thanks Mr. President. |
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08-13-2010, 09:57 PM | #5 | |
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08-16-2010, 06:19 PM | #6 |
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You don't get my drift. The cost will go up because the pollution and damage that fossil fuels cause won't be tolerated in such volumes in the future. The supply will be diminished, and the price will rise. There will be consumption/emissions taxes, as well. Just like cigarette taxes, it should help us kick a bad habit. It's about time! Don't let the irresponsible "conservatives" tell you different.
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08-16-2010, 07:03 PM | #7 |
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Hi bkrownd, You forgot to place the "neo" in front of the "conservatives". Let me fix for you...
Don't let the irresponsible "neo-conservatives" tell you different. Much better...
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08-16-2010, 07:49 PM | #8 | |
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1) There is, at most, 40 to 50 years of affordable oil left if we drill and pump every single drop. Affordable means that even though there will still be some oil left it will be so hard to get to and so difficult to refine and offer such little usable return that it will not be cost effective to do so. 2) That we have achieved Peak Oil, meaning that no more oil will ever be pumped out of the Earth per day than is being pumped right now. This means that there is a known limited time supply, and 3 big groups are soon to be competing for it economically: The U.S., China and India. The only things holding gasoline at its current low price are our military and clandestine operations throughout the Middle East and other places, and that neither China nor India has enough cars on the road yet to have large requirements (which will soon change, first in China). When you combine this information with the fact that we have just 40-70 years left of other resources such as aluminum and steel, and that the unpolluted fresh water sources that remain simply cannot sustain the Earth's human population for very long, you see that the future is indeed fraught with challenges. We can plan now and face these challenges head on with knowledge, sacrifice and solidarity, or we can race to the finish and crash and burn as we hit the wall.
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08-16-2010, 10:04 PM | #9 |
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Oooh. Are those somewhere between the Dittoheads and the Palinites? I can never keep track of all these clubs... I am sad nobody took my stinky bait.
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08-17-2010, 07:51 AM | #10 | |
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Neocons drive me nuts... BTW... I'm a conservative with huge libertarian beliefs... You could say a Conservative Libertarian> http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...%20Libertarian
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08-23-2010, 11:18 AM | #11 | |
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08-26-2010, 01:32 PM | #12 |
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Could you and BailOut cite your sources?
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08-26-2010, 09:50 PM | #13 |
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oh joy, another one of these discussions. Kinda worthless since no one will change their minds unlike the gentleman that originally came up with the dino oil theory. About 5 years later he decided oil was a biproduct of the planets processes.
And citing sources? This is the net, we don't do weird stuff like that. Abiotic fuel is what you want to look up. Abiotic Oil and Gas: A Theory That Refuses To Vanish This is a great article. To summarize it: westerners are morons and care only about who is paying them. Western science has been dead for over 50 years because of this.
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08-27-2010, 01:04 AM | #14 |
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This is a blog post off a business news website. It's some guys opinion and not an objective look that the subject.
If oil is abiotic what evidence is there that it is being make enough to sustain current/future demand? Even if we have an unlimited supply of oil, we have to deal with the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases made from burning petroleum products. Finally, why would a company hide the fact that they have an unlimited source of income from their investors? |
08-27-2010, 10:09 AM | #15 | |
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Another link http://mondovista.com/abioticoilx.html |
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08-27-2010, 12:04 PM | #16 | |
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You can lead a horse to water...
But you cannot make it drink...
Curious people research things for themselves. There is a ton of material on the web about the true origins of petroleum on planet earth and is ain't dead dinosaurs. Carbon is one of the four most abundant elements in the Universe. Carbon dioxide is NOT a polutant... in fact it is a requirement of life on planet Earth. Carbon dioxide lags global warming not leads it. These are just a few of the thing the the curious critical thinkers learn and the lemming will never ever know. You must as yourself: Cui Bono... who benefits. Who benefits from convincing the simple minded lemmings that petroleum is derived from dead dinosaurs. Who benefits from controlling carbon and in turn life itself on planet earth? Who benefits when a ridiculous idea that a naturally occurring trace molecule of the air we breath CO2 is a pollutant? I'll give you a hint... it sure as heck is not the lemmings. Wake up... there is a larger agenda afoot, as there has always been from time immemorial. If you're truly curious, not just trolling I suggest you read some of the articles by Chris Landau, a geologist, who knows exactly how petroleum is made inside the earths crust. http://www.opednews.com/author/author47248.html The Russians have known since 1950's and are one of the largest producers with their deep wells because of it. People can remain ignorant "sheeple" and like lemmings drop to their deaths or they can try critical thinking for themselves Quote:
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08-27-2010, 12:21 PM | #17 | |
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08-27-2010, 12:23 PM | #18 |
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I think they would make more from an unlimited supply and people not conserving it.
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