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04-28-2009, 06:32 AM | #1 |
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Change to high quality filter lead to drastic drop in fuel efficiency
I change my Toyota engine air filter to an after market all steel wire mesh air filter which cost me $120. I notice a drop of more than 10% in the fuel efficiency of my 1.3L Yaris. Is it because the sensor is injecting more fuel as it detect the higher airflow? I thought the engine might give me better fuel efficiency since it can breathe much easier, but that is not the case apparently. I wonder whether the ECU will just take time to recognise the new higher airflow and then the FE will improve again.
Anyone can offer a good suggestion beside switching back to my old filter? |
04-28-2009, 08:19 AM | #2 |
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I'd give it a week or so. The ECU may just need time.
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05-01-2009, 11:17 AM | #3 |
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I bet either the filter has worse airflow compared to the stock filter or your foot got heavier because you like the increased noise. Is the induction path shorter with the new filter ? This could also be a problem because it changes the characteristics of the engine.
Stainess steel "sucks" as filter material ;) It has worse filtering propperties at the same airflow or it has worse airflow at the same filtering properties. Same goes for foam filters. Oiled Cotton is the way to go for daily drivers provided you don't use too much oil. I'd recommend foam filters for track use, I'd never reccomend stailess steel filters. |
05-01-2009, 12:01 PM | #4 |
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u went with the steel mesh....?? unless that has a high static discharge then it may help dust not to go in otherwise ur sacrificing ur engines health..i believe they use that on track race but engine has to be flushed and oil change right after.
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05-01-2009, 02:44 PM | #5 |
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i put in an AFe intake and it got me about 3mpg within about 1k miles. first tank was lower, second higher by about 2mpg, and third tank was about 3mpg...and it keeps going up...
i'm not really one to 'granny gear it'...goin slow uphills or follow the leader. i get to speed, get there quickly (hardly ever use 4th, striaght from 3 to 5), and then stay there as long as needed or possible. i usually travel around 80mph with the ac on and i'm nettin around 37-38mpg at all times average. |
05-02-2009, 07:18 AM | #6 |
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Here is the link to the stainless steel filter: http://www.hurricane-racing.com/filter-a.htm
Have to admit that I'm a bit heavy on the pedal when I switch over to the new filter . That period is over and I'm reverting to my fuel saving driving style. Hopefully the ECU will recognise my effort and maybe the FE will be better than ever. |
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05-07-2009, 02:11 PM | #8 |
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more air is more fuel the MAF see's more air coming true so the ECU give's more fuel. s.y. |
05-07-2009, 02:40 PM | #9 |
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Yeah your going to have a spike in the fuel trim till the computer adapts to the new MAF readings. its comparing your old MAF readings to throttle % opening. Now you have a higher MAF reading for the same amount of throttle its going to send in more fuel.
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05-08-2009, 05:10 PM | #10 |
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This is only the case @ full throttle. When cruising you will give it less throttle for the same speed bringing mpg back to normal.
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05-17-2009, 12:44 AM | #11 |
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I've given up hope on the ECU adjusting the fuel flow to the increase air intake. After about 4 weeks of installing the new filter, my fuel consumption is still worse than the one with the original filter.
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05-17-2009, 12:49 AM | #12 |
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Have you tried one last thing.... RE-Seting the ECU?
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05-18-2009, 05:19 AM | #13 |
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05-18-2009, 05:39 AM | #14 |
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I believe resetting the ECU just speeds up the learning process.. How many KM's have you done since the changeover? Has it been roughly 1000KMs?
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05-18-2009, 09:24 AM | #15 |
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Is the air box leaking? Is this an oiled system, If so mits the oil on the MAF wire that got your mileage fUBAR. No ECU relearn is required for in box filter. You get a bigger change with barometric pressure changes and temp changes. The maf bore is the biggest restrictor to air flow in a stock system. I say you got contaminated MAF sensor or improperly sealed airbox
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05-18-2009, 10:21 AM | #16 |
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If it's stainless steel mesh and it's not oiled, it's not filtering. I think oil on the MAS is a good suggestion for the cause of the problem. Insulates it and keeps it from responding accurately.
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06-25-2009, 10:59 AM | #17 |
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I tried a K&M oiled filter, and after about a month or use was disappointed myself with the lack of MPG I was obtaining, so I switched back to the Toyota Air filter and everything was fine again. Im not sure how much learning or tolerance are in these ECM, but I personally wont try an oiled system again cause I heard that also can fowl other things down the road, don't know if myth or not. I wish you luck with your decision and outcome.
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