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ROCKLAND TOYOTA · 10-29-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WeeYari

My interpretation of your 'rough ride' statement.

well my ROUGH RIDE consists of the everyday potholes and uneven road surfaces.. in certain areas where i cannot avoid them i didn't hear some of the familar sounds im use to associated with my current suspension and wheel/tire combo.

PHXDEMON · 10-29-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by largeorangefont

That upper bar works a bit, in hatchbacks, but you can't have anyone in the back seat so that kinda sucks.

The lower bar on top of the shocks is worth the money you can get for it at the recycling center. It does even less than the front strut bar, and just adds weight and cuts down on cargo space.

To Rockland,

You are implying that the bar made the car is "stiffer" and "ride better" all at the same time? Not that I think you are in any position to quantify handling gains.. but thanks for your opinion. I think if I gave you a battery tie down brace you would say the car handled better.

You mean those billet battery tie down braces don't improve handling

largeorangefont · 10-29-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gideon

So just get this an a sway bar and you'll be set? (Thinking about getting one myself along with a sway bar. :P)

I would get a rear sway bar, and the front lower subframe brace. Braces in that area are actually effective. If you don't have a sway bar, definately get one before spending ANY money on braces.

largeorangefont · 10-29-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ROCKLAND TOYOTA

this man i guess has no clue to my suspension setup

oh well another brillant answer from the other side.......

Then enlighten us all as to how the bar made your car stiffer (which you have no way of quantifing) and ride better all at the same time.

I don't need to know your suspension setup to ask you a question about you own comments in post #1.

largeorangefont · 10-29-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PHXDEMON

You mean those billet battery tie down braces don't improve handling

They do. Ask Rockland

Kaotic Lazagna · 10-30-2008, 12:29 AM

Too bad us sedan owners don't have anything like that, at least I'm not aware of anything for the rear other than a bottom sway bar.

reggaetonfreak · 10-30-2008, 01:23 AM

mmmm, let me think, so unless I a dont plan on doing anything in the back of my car for the rest of its life, (if you know what i mean), mmm, yeah, thats a negative, it would have a purpose if you do auto x, m just saying!

KCALB SIRAY · 10-30-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by largeorangefont

Then enlighten us all as to how the bar made your car stiffer (which you have no way of quantifing) and ride better all at the same time.

I don't need to know your suspension setup to ask you a question about you own comments in post #1.

He simply made an observation, that's all. Even if his words were not the correct ones to describe the feeling, which I'm not saying they are wrong, he still noticed a difference in the way the car reacts. Do you need Loren to back you up on this to justify and say I'm wrong?

ROCKLAND TOYOTA · 10-30-2008, 10:19 AM

^^ its whatever, we'll let this ass paper think how he wants. it makes for good reading.....

*Astroman* · 10-30-2008, 10:53 AM

Yay, I knew they'd chime in! Where's Loren?

I know the "effect" that Rockland is trying to explain. After installing the TRD rear sway bar the ride was was more comfortable while the handling was better as well. Since I have not tried this brace I don't feel that I am qualified to judge it's effectiveness. Same goes to everyone else. It's like saying you know everything about a movie when you've only seen the trailer.

largeorangefont · 10-30-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KCALB SIRAY

He simply made an observation, that's all. Even if his words were not the correct ones to describe the feeling, which I'm not saying they are wrong, he still noticed a difference in the way the car reacts. Do you need Loren to back you up on this to justify and say I'm wrong?

The reason the car felt better was because his wallet was lighter.

cleong · 10-30-2008, 12:55 PM

Rockland noticed a difference and he claimed that the car was smoother. If you have basic knowledge of suspension you'll find that it is counterintuitive that stiffening the chassis brings a smoother ride, because road vibration and shock are more clearly transmitted through a rigid chassis.

Unless, of course, that the chassis is so flexy that it flexes more than the suspension does. Bracing this flexy chassis would force the suspension to work.

Given our experience with the Yaris LB this would hardly be the case - to me, the monocoque is stiff enough as it is (but this is subjective). So it is unlikely that you actually gain a smoother ride with the body bracing.

I would love to hear any theory on how a stiffer chassis creates a smoother ride.

CASTREX · 10-30-2008, 01:33 PM

I like the bar.

Seems easy to install and remove and cheap enough to have it as an accesory for autox or track days only. When you are not carrying the rear seats anyways.

largeorangefont · 10-30-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cleong

Rockland noticed a difference and he claimed that the car was smoother. If you have basic knowledge of suspension you'll find that it is counterintuitive that stiffening the chassis brings a smoother ride, because road vibration and shock are more clearly transmitted through a rigid chassis.

Unless, of course, that the chassis is so flexy that it flexes more than the suspension does. Bracing this flexy chassis would force the suspension to work.

Given our experience with the Yaris LB this would hardly be the case - to me, the monocoque is stiff enough as it is (but this is subjective). So it is unlikely that you actually gain a smoother ride with the body bracing.

I would love to hear any theory on how a stiffer chassis creates a smoother ride.

Agreed. This car has to be very stiff to begin with to make safety standards.

ROCKLAND TOYOTA · 10-30-2008, 03:14 PM

so for my lack of describing better the change i experienced we have this.

keep it going it makes for interesting read......

Thirty-Nine · 10-30-2008, 03:48 PM

Hey, if you like it that's all that matters.

It's a shame there's no way to really verify whether or not they do stiffen the chassis other than the ol' butt dyno ... er ... "butt skidpad." (Ewww?)

KCALB SIRAY · 10-30-2008, 03:49 PM

Mythbusters! Do it, do it now! lol

rob323 · 10-30-2008, 09:33 PM

Bolt on braces, always guaranteed to start an argument.

(I prefer welded in ones myself.)

10-30-2008, 01:23 AM	#25
reggaetonfreak El Yoe View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The D, Delaware Posts: 51	mmmm, let me think, so unless I a dont plan on doing anything in the back of my car for the rest of its life, (if you know what i mean), mmm, yeah, thats a negative, it would have a purpose if you do auto x, m just saying! __________________ Cuban to the bone, sitting in a Yaris, ahi si hay!!...

10-30-2008, 10:19 AM	#27
ROCKLAND TOYOTA TRIM HUNTER View User's Garage Drives: 2007 BLAZIN BLUE YARIS 3 DR Join Date: May 2006 Location: ROCKLAND COUNTY NY Posts: 2,088	^^ its whatever, we'll let this ass paper think how he wants. it makes for good reading..... __________________ http://rocklandtoyota.com/IFrame.aspx?iFrameID=2388 TOYOTA PARTS AT A DISCOUNT........

10-30-2008, 10:53 AM	#28
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	Yay, I knew they'd chime in! Where's Loren? I know the "effect" that Rockland is trying to explain. After installing the TRD rear sway bar the ride was was more comfortable while the handling was better as well. Since I have not tried this brace I don't feel that I am qualified to judge it's effectiveness. Same goes to everyone else. It's like saying you know everything about a movie when you've only seen the trailer. __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

10-30-2008, 12:55 PM	#30
cleong Parallel Parking Pro View User's Garage Drives: Yaris 1.5 Manual Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 590	Rockland noticed a difference and he claimed that the car was smoother. If you have basic knowledge of suspension you'll find that it is counterintuitive that stiffening the chassis brings a smoother ride, because road vibration and shock are more clearly transmitted through a rigid chassis. Unless, of course, that the chassis is so flexy that it flexes more than the suspension does. Bracing this flexy chassis would force the suspension to work. Given our experience with the Yaris LB this would hardly be the case - to me, the monocoque is stiff enough as it is (but this is subjective). So it is unlikely that you actually gain a smoother ride with the body bracing. I would love to hear any theory on how a stiffer chassis creates a smoother ride. __________________ Leong's NCP91 Toyota Yaris E Hankook V12 Evo 195/55/15 on Buddy Club P1 replicas 15x7 ET +38 Stebel horns, Philips Silvervision turn indicator bulbs TTE Lowering Springs, Camber bolts TRD Blue brake pads Fujitsubo Super Wagolis axleback exhaust DC Sports header

10-30-2008, 01:33 PM	#31
CASTREX Who said Yaris was slow? View User's Garage Drives: Yaris T-Sport 2008 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 1,287	I like the bar. Seems easy to install and remove and cheap enough to have it as an accesory for autox or track days only. When you are not carrying the rear seats anyways. Last edited by CASTREX; 10-30-2008 at 04:08 PM.

10-30-2008, 12:29 AM	#24
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Too bad us sedan owners don't have anything like that, at least I'm not aware of anything for the rear other than a bottom sway bar.

10-30-2008, 03:14 PM	#33
ROCKLAND TOYOTA TRIM HUNTER View User's Garage Drives: 2007 BLAZIN BLUE YARIS 3 DR Join Date: May 2006 Location: ROCKLAND COUNTY NY Posts: 2,088	so for my lack of describing better the change i experienced we have this. keep it going it makes for interesting read...... __________________ http://rocklandtoyota.com/IFrame.aspx?iFrameID=2388 TOYOTA PARTS AT A DISCOUNT........

10-30-2008, 03:48 PM	#34
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	Hey, if you like it that's all that matters. It's a shame there's no way to really verify whether or not they do stiffen the chassis other than the ol' butt dyno ... er ... "butt skidpad." (Ewww?) __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

10-30-2008, 03:49 PM	#35
KCALB SIRAY それを吸ってください View User's Garage Drives: black sand lb Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 8,894	Mythbusters! Do it, do it now! lol __________________ http://lifesdailypimpslap.tumblr.com/#me My Build

10-30-2008, 09:33 PM	#36
rob323 Don't drive it, RALLY it! Drives: 1999 echo PRC rally car Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Joyner, Brisbane Posts: 321	Bolt on braces, always guaranteed to start an argument. (I prefer welded in ones myself.)

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