MCM's 2ZR swap

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

I'm very curious to see what numbers its gonna put down on the dyno.

Me too! To soon to guess without knowing management and tune/boost etc. I wonder if they'll push it up to around 10 - 12 psi. Definitely subscribed.

[eTiMaGo]

Originally Posted by Leegamer

I'm sure they'll use haltech.

Yep, I think I heard them mention it. And anyway, who else would they use?

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

Yep, I think I heard them mention it. And anyway, who else would they use?

Haha. Is Haltech an Aussie product? Did we talk before about the ECUMaster Black?

[myfirstyota]

Originally Posted by 06YarisRS

Haha. Is Haltech an Aussie product? Did we talk before about the ECUMaster Black?

Pretty sure haltech is Australian

[tmontague]

Haltech seems to be the real deal but the price also reflects that. I've been eyeing the ecumaster stuff lately, price of very good for what they offer

[eTiMaGo]

Haltech is Australian, they also sponsor and work closely with the MCM guys, so it's only natural they will use their products :)

But for us mere mortals, ECUmaster is looking gooood

[mitch9521]

Originally Posted by 06YarisRS

Me too! To soon to guess without knowing management and tune/boost etc. I wonder if they'll push it up to around 10 - 12 psi. Definitely subscribed.

Does the 2ZR-FE have decent rods or are they made of cardboard like the 1NZ and blow up before 10psi?

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

Does the 2ZR-FE have decent rods or are they made of cardboard like the 1NZ and blow up before 10psi?

All I know is that the MonkeyWrench Racing guys say that there are a lot of stock 2ZR-FE engines with the turbo kit and minimal failures, assuming a good tune. I was inquiring about my transmission's ability to handle the extra torque. They said that over 275 HP the automatic transmissions started to slip. Despite what they said, I personally wouldn't trust it much beyond 220 - 230 HP. I believe that the engines up to 275 HP were not built engines. I deduced that the engine could therefore hold together up to 275 HP. I would feel reasonably comfortable at 250 crank HP with a good tune, good fuel, decent intake temps and not constantly thrashing on it. By extension, my guess is that the engine should handle 12, maybe 14 psi. Again, very good tune, minimal thrashing. All of this is pure supposition on my part, however. That said, I don't think either MWR or Turbokits would be selling these kits (8.6 psi), intended for a stock engine, if there wasn't some headroom there. It could ruin your rep pretty quickly with a lot of early failures.

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by tmontague

Haltech seems to be the real deal but the price also reflects that. I've been eyeing the ecumaster stuff lately, price of very good for what they offer

Yup, the ECUMaster Black looks, at first appearance, to be a good candidate at a reasonable price compared to the Haltech Elite 1500, which I believe is the minimum Haltech unit capable of DBW.

[myfirstyota]

I'd figure 275 hp on stock internals would hold up aswell. If lotus can slap a magnuson supercharger on the stock 2zr, tune it to 220 horse and back it with a warranty, it must be able to handle more.

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by myfirstyota

I'd figure 275 hp on stock internals would hold up aswell. If lotus can slap a magnuson supercharger on the stock 2zr, tune it to 220 horse and back it with a warranty, it must be able to handle more.

Excellent point!

[mitch9521]

250hp to the crank is PLENTY in my opinion for these cars, they are super light and FWD. I tend to prefer a well balanced drivable car over an overpowered death trap, but whatever.

[tmontague]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

250hp to the crank is PLENTY in my opinion for these cars, they are super light and FWD. I tend to prefer a well balanced drivable car over an overpowered death trap, but whatever.

I fully agree.

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

250hp to the crank is PLENTY in my opinion for these cars, they are super light and FWD. I tend to prefer a well balanced drivable car over an overpowered death trap, but whatever.

I am at approximately 170 - 175 wheel now and I can tell you that I wouldn't want any more. Although torque steer isn't a major issue now, wheel spin limits acceleration as it is. As mentioned before, an LSD would go a long way. But, yeah, much more would be wasted and potentially dangerous.

[myfirstyota]

Originally Posted by mitch9521

250hp to the crank is PLENTY in my opinion for these cars, they are super light and FWD. I tend to prefer a well balanced drivable car over an overpowered death trap, but whatever.

Have you ever been in an over powered death trap?
My buddy has a 500+hp golf.... I have no words for that pile of awesomeness

[06YarisRS]

MCM's new episode is up. I messaged them on their Facebook page asking them if they'd be kind enough to mention my build and give Yarisworld a pump since I'd be hard pressed to believe that they were unaware of all the work and research that's gone on on this site. They appear to be ignoring me. Am I expecting too much? Am I acting like a cry baby here? Would simply recognizing other peoples' contributions be too threatening? Help me out here guys. Give me some perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6D9pB5Ig9Q

[CrankyOldMan]

I agree that it would be "right" for them to at least give credit for any info they got here, but that's the academic in me. =)

I look at their subscriber count on YT (3M+) and assume that they either have someone else to monitor/screen it or just ignore it entirely. You'd basically have to have their DMs to even show up on their radar. I don't think they'd ignore you out of spite, it's just that the signal to noise ratio on something like that is really poor (i.e. lots of noise).

[06YarisRS]

Originally Posted by CrankyOldMan

I agree that it would be "right" for them to at least give credit for any info they got here, but that's the academic in me. =)

I look at their subscriber count on YT (3M+) and assume that they either have someone else to monitor/screen it or just ignore it entirely. You'd basically have to have their DMs to even show up on their radar. I don't think they'd ignore you out of spite, it's just that the signal to noise ratio on something like that is really poor (i.e. lots of noise).

Ah Sam. You are wise indeed. What you say makes perfect sense to me. What are "DMs"? Sorry for my ignorance.